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Re: CS>Re: $$$ perpectives
From: Arnold Beland
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 00:56:42

  > Mike,

  > Thanks for  making  a substantial contribution  to  the  art. Your
  > results using  very low current densities and a  long  "brew" time
  > parallel my own. I, however, make a gallon at a time using currant
  > limiting with  as  much  as  1500   volts.  I  can't  see  why the
  > "potential gradient"  can have any effect on the  end  result. I'm
  > not saying  it doesn't, I just don't see why it should. What  am I
  > missing here?

  > Arnold

  Thanks Arnold.  Many  people  have used  low  current  before.  I am
  perhaps the  first  one to have a  residual  Shingles  infection and
  noticed the cs made with very low current killed it, where the stuff
  made with high current had no effect.

  Regardless of  how the current is generated, silver  ions  leave the
  positive electrode  and diffuse towards the negative  electrode. The
  ions clouds  form at each electrode. If the current  density  is too
  high, it  increases  the ion density and promotes  the  formation of
  particles.

  1,500 Volts is certainly ambitious. To run at 300 uA, you would need
  a 5 megohm resistor in series!

  I just  taught my Mom how to solder a 33k resistor  to  the positive
  post of  an  ordinary  9V batttery connector. (She  is  84,  and I'm
  surprised how quickly she picked up the concepts.)

  In the  connector I use, there are two slots in  the  fibre material
  that hold  the connector posts. I showed her how to put the  cut end
  of Radio Shack alligator lead through the slot and solder it  to the
  negative post. Repeat for the other end of the 33k resistor.

  The alligator  leads come in different colors. I showed  her  how to
  use warm colors (red, yellow, white) for the positive lead, and cold
  colors (black,  blue,  green) for the  negative  lead.  Some battery
  connectors may  be  made of inferior material. I showed  her  how to
  listen for  two  distinct clicks when the connector  is  put  on the
  battery.

  I showed her how to install the connector on a 9V battery  and cover
  the leads  with hot glue. This seals the open leads  so  they cannot
  corrode in harsh environments, and prevents shorting against keys if
  the battery  is  put  in a purse. The  alligator  leads  are  cut to
  different lengths  so the clips have less opportunity to  touch each
  other and drain the battery.

  Finish by  holding the leads against the battery  and  wrapping with
  ordinary plastic electrical tape to provide strain relief.

  She went back to Victoria Harbor to show all her friends how to make
  a simple cs unit using "W" shaped electrodes.

  Here is a typical run with 3.85 sq. in. wetted area:

  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 01:00:57 pm

  Started run on 9V, 33k series resistor. Battery Voltage = 8.39V

  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 01:01:35 pm 1.715V 196uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 04:22:41 pm 1.155V 213uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 05:06:06 pm 1.045V 216uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 05:51:35 pm 0.9927 218uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 06:12:32 pm 0.9626 218uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 07:40:11 pm 0.8565 221uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 08:10:43 pm 0.8491 221uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 08:34:13 pm 0.8348 222uA
  Wed Jun 04, 2003, 08:42:21 pm 0.8040 222uA

  7.75 * 3600 * 220e-6 = 6.138 Coulombs

  My apologies  for not having the time to write a  simple  program to
  convert the  hours  and  minutes to  seconds.  It's  really  not too
  important. What counts is the current variation from start to finish
  is only about 13%, which is good enough.

  A typical  alkaline has over 500 milliamper/hour  capacity.  This is
  1,800 Coulombs.  If  each run draws 6 Coulombs,  the  battery should
  last 300 runs. That's almost one year.

  The discharge  curve  for Alkaline is flat at 8.5V for  most  of the
  battery life.  This means no current regulation is  needed,  and the
  finish time  for a six hour run is easy to calculate  in  your head.
  Just mentally  place  the little hand on the  opposite  side  of the
  clock circle:)

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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