I am unclear if he is measuring weight (in actuality mass) or density.
Density certainly changes with temperature, but weight and mass does not
(ignoring Einstein). Is he starting with a certain weight of water,
adding silver, then reweighing? In that case the only thing I can think
of is evaporation has reduced the weight while making the silver. If on
the other hand he is measuring out a specific volume of water both
before and after, and using those weights, that would reflect a density
difference.
Can you elaborate a bit more on your procedure?
Marshall
On 2/26/2011 8:49 AM, Frank wrote:
Hi guys Forgive me for intruding but .....The best analytical balances
have a sensitivity of 0.0001 gm. and an accuracy of +-0.0002. If you
are adding 5 parts per million of a compound with a specific gravity
of 11 (silver) to a liquid with a Spg of 1.0 (distilled water) , how
do you expect to pick up the difference in weight?
Weight does not change with temperature. Only the volume does.
Whether you “cluster” ions or not their weight does not change.
Vortexing water will not change the weight. But if you introduce air,
for example, you are changing the density and that is another matter.
Keep in mind that weight is a direct reflection of mass and mass does
not change with temperature, vortexing, etc.
Hope it helps
Frank
*From:* Neville Munn <mailto:[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2011 7:47 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* RE: CS>Wet weight?
I'm fairly confident the measurements are right. I went through the
same exercise this morning and although measurements are different
today from yesterday the scales DO pick up differences in weight, of
that I have no doubt.
However, I suspect this is not a successful way of doing things due to
several factors just off the top of my head:
a) Temperature of medicine cup may increase with manual handling,
which in turn will heat water/solution contained within {can only
afford to do the procedure once}?
b) Although temperature of EIS is the same today as yesterday the
plain DW may not be? {failed to measure plain DW temperature and used
DW temp from yesterday}
c) Water temperature may rise during the time measurements are taken.
{again, manual handling of cup, containers, syringe and day temp
rising praps}
d) There may be some weight differences between Ag ions and ion
cluster characteristics which may be influencing results? *this is
probly an unknown*
e) I have been vortexing the water prior to production in recent
batches. Would now need to make a few batches without vortexing the
water and see what difference there is...if any? {probly won't bother
as I don't think my weighing exercise was of any use}.
Although the scales do pick up differences in weight I don't believe
this method is at all useful due to aforesaid factors. I say this
because as an example, the medicine cup weighs more today than
yesterday {room temperature may be heating things a tad?}. Just too
many external influences and variables that can affect results to be
of any practical use.
The idea seemed good in principal, but I don't think it works in
practice, nevermind, if one never never goes one never never knows.
If nothing else it's made me question any possible differences there
may be between weight characteristics of Ag ions in solution and ion
clusters {particles} in solution...if any?
N.
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 11:20:53 -0500
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: CS>Wet weight?
How confident are you of your measurements? Basic chemistry says that
water with silver in it should have a density which is higher, not
lower than distilled water. However there have been a number of
reports that nanosilver structures water, sort of like homeopathy. If
that is the case, then any restructuring, or crystalization of the
water would be expected to have an effect on the density. If your
measurements are indeed correct, this may be confirmation of those
reports.
Marshall
