Ah, Compaq/HP Proliant servers. If you have a little to spend, http://www.graysonline.com.au might have something available.
Mike is right about the noise though, so much so we've named them jumpjet and scramjet :) 2009/1/20 Shaon Diwakar <sh...@shaon.net>: > WOW, thanks for the detailed explanation Mike! We will definitely be > considering EC2 and have already looked at Google's AppEngine (our only > concern is being locked into Google's offering). > As for the loan of old servers and equipment for the Silicon Beach community > - that's an excellent idea, especially for a hackspace or file share server > for events like BarCamp. The difficulties would include making sure all the > boxes are patched + administered appropriately + making sure that everyone > can't see each others proprietary source code. Getting them located + power > + internet would need to be thought out too. A model like the CompSci coop > at uni could work? > We're still keen on having our own boxes purely for accessibility & security > reasons and ease of splitting the power + Internet bill b/w the 3 of us. So > if anyone knows of a corporate that chucks them in the tip - please let us > know :-) > > On 20/01/2009, at 5:24 PM, Mike Nicholls wrote: > > Hi Shaon > > I had this approach when I started out, I purchased two dedicated servers > thinking I would put them into a data centre here in AU. It was way too > expensive just to get rack space, took too long and the 1 & 2 year contracts > made you think twice. > > I ended up getting a dedicated hosted server from the US, however it took > two weeks to get provisioned and it was a pain. It used to max out all the > time and to get another required signing more contracts and a whole bunch of > network sys admin I really wasnt ready for. > > As a start up I believe its a false economy to run your own servers with the > Cloud Computing Options available, > These include > > Amazon EC2 using Scalr.net (cheap but support is good for a startup but not > enterprise ready) or Rightscale (expensive) > Google AppEng they are giving away enough computing power to handle 5 mill > page views a month (you need to code using their DB which is built to scale) > Jaxster now has a scaling/cloud solution which is integrated with Aptana. > This is the Server side of Aptana which came out of Eclipse. > Microsoft is about to launch a solution > There are others out there as well. > > Re: Developing the App, do your Dev work on your PC/Mac with WAMP or > Aptana/Jaxster loaded and then deploy to a hosted solution once tested. > > When we deployed Enikos Video Platform we used EC2, we could scale up or > down from a small instance (think virtual server) size to a Extra Large > Instance, but couldnt easily split into multiple instances but we managed to > test the platform to the equivilent of 25 million widget serves in a day. > > It was good and a lot better than ordering a dedicated server but still took > a lot of sys admin work to get deployed properly and to scale up and down > and was not automated, you needed to hold its hand > > We have deployed http://www.jobfeedr.com using Scalr.net to manage our > Amazon EC2 cloud, approx $200USD per month for two EC2 Instances(but you > could start with one) one as an App server and the other MYSQL and Scalr > Management service. > > Small EC2 Instances are like an entry level dedicated server > ~2ghz Cel power, 1.7 GB memory > 1 EC2 Compute Unit (1 virtual core with 1 EC2 Compute Unit) > 160 GB instance storage (150 GB plus 10 GB root partition) > 32-bit platform > I/O Performance: Moderate > Price: $0.10 per instance hour (USD) > > see > http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/instance-types/ for all the types available. > > Scalr.net will let you deploy scripts on boot of an instance which will load > your production code from SVN, it will also allow you to tell it how many > application instances you want it to launch when it gets loaded up, it will > launch new MySQL instances and automatically Master Slave them and tell the > App servers where they are. > > It takes a few days of reading to get your head around it, but once done it > is so easy to run. > > Initially I would not worry about getting dedicated boxes, just use the > cloud options > > Also check out http://highscalability.com/ this gives real life descriptions > of what the big guys have had to do to scale their systems. > > If you get to the point where you have massive requirements and you have > your own sys admin/scaling engineers than you would almost certainly go down > the path of taking out a bunch of racks and installing your own, but until > you get that sort of traffic its pretty hard to beat the flexibility and > cost effectiveness of Scalr.net and EC2. > > Having said all that, I am willing to loan the two Compaq Rack servers I > purchased a few years ago to the Silicon Beach/Startup Camp group. The only > provisio is that they are available to any of the startup groups that want > to use them, so I guess this means they would need to be in some sort of > hackspace. > > They are a little old now, ML320 I think not massively powerful now and very > noisy (think Jet test cell at QANTAS) but I am willing to loan them > indefinitely to whoever needs them as long as other startups can have access > to them. They are located in McMahons Point (near Nth Syd). > > Any suggestions on where we could put a hack space and how that could work > would be great. Actually I also have a spare linux PC and probably a basic > ADSL router under the same conditions. I can find the specs for this stuff > if anyone needs it > > Mike Nicholls > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Silicon Beach Australia" group. 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