Now consider where

  1.
The user has residency in a country and the country’s law applies
  2.
The cloud provider themselves may have a local office in that country - even if 
the actual service is ring fenced from other  country jurisdiction, the local 
subsidiary is a locally incorporated company etc

The correct answer is that “it is complex”

--srs
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From: denis walker <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, 02 August 2026 20:01:51
To: Serge Droz <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [Security-wg] Re: Abuse mailboxes are increasingly no longer monitored 
and are being replaced by (bad) forms



On Sun, 2 Aug 2026 at 14:12, Serge Droz via Security-wg 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In the day and age of cloud services there are hundreds of examples of services 
provided to different jurisdictions. Usually the law of your legal residence 
applies.

That is not true. If your cloud service has it's data centres in the USA then 
US law applies to your data, regardless of your residence.

cheers
denis



Furthermore, APnic and Lacnic do such things, and they cover multiple 
jurisdictions,a fact you seem to ignore. At least let us know what makes them 
different from us,in away that cannot be changed.

And your cutlery vendor analogy doesn't cut it: Once the knife is sold, the 
vendor doesn't control it anymore. That is different from ip addresses.

Best
Serge


On 2 August 2026 10:26:01 UTC, Nick Hilliard 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 01/08/2026 16:31:
That suggests that some capacity building is in order.  They have what is 
effectively a fiduciary duty to IP space.

So they can no more not develop competence in this than a bank manager can 
disclaim all competence in assessing whether a loan that they disburse is going 
to be repaid or not, used for illegal activity or not etc.

Suresh,

the RIPE NCC has a fiduciary duty to registration of IP space. How those number 
resources are used is an issue for the courts and the law.

Your comparison with the bank manager is inapplicable for a lot of reasons, the 
main ones being that a bank is not a registration authority and - unlike money 
- an IP address isn't at risk of disappearing into thin air when the holder 
walks out the front door.

If you want to claim that the bank manager is still on the hook to do some due 
diligence to ensure that it's not obviously being used for illegal activity, 
there's no problem pulling out another somewhat inapplicable comparison and say 
that road / motorway operators don't seem to be bound by any sort of due 
diligence for use of their resources, and knowingly allow their roads to be 
used for all sorts of crimes, many heinous. There are plenty of situations in 
society where abuse of a resource or a registration can cause harm and where we 
don't require any sort of due diligence: cutlery vendors don't check their 
customer out if someone walks in to buy a carving knife; the IEEE isn't on the 
hook if their MAC addresses are used in NICs which are used for network abuse, 
and so forth.

The point is not that that you can't invoke comparisons of dubious comparative 
value with other organisations or societal structures, it's that the RIPE NCC 
is in something of a unique position, being a registration organisation for a 
large number of countries for numbers which are used for international 
communications. We don't have a direct analogue anywhere else.

Nick

--
Dr. Serge Droz
Director, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams
https://first.org
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