Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Abdullah Al-Dahlawi
hi James here is the out put you've requested abdul...@hp_hdx_16:~/Downloads# zpool status -v pool: hdd state: ONLINE scrub: none requested config: NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM hdd ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t0d0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 cache

Re: [zfs-discuss] WriteBack versus SSD-ZIL

2010-03-06 Thread Zhu Han
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: > This is true. SSDs and HDs differ little in their ability to handle raw > throughput. However, we often still see problems in ZFS associated with > periodic system "pauses" where ZFS effectively monopolizes the HDs to write > out it's curren

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware for high-end ZFS NAS file server - 2010 March edition

2010-03-06 Thread Brandon High
2010/3/4 Michael Shadle : > Typically rackmounts are not designed for quiet. He said quietness is > #2 in his priorities... I have a Supermicro 743 case, also 4U. The one I used is the "Super Quiet" variant, which uses fewer & slower PWM fans. It's got 8 hot swap bays and an additional 3x 5.25" ba

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Abdullah Al-Dahlawi wrote: > abdul...@hp_hdx_16:~/Downloads# zpool iostat -v hdd >    capacity operations    bandwidth > pool used  avail   read  write   read  write > --  -  -  -  -  -  - > hdd 1.96G 

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Henrik Johansson
Hello, On Mar 5, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Abdullah Al-Dahlawi wrote: > Greeting All > > I have create a pool that consists oh a hard disk and a ssd as a cache > > zpool create hdd c11t0d0p3 > zpool add hdd cache c8t0d0p0 - cache device > > I ran an OLTP bench mark to emulate a DMBS > > One I ra

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Andrey Kuzmin
This is purely tactical, to avoid l2arc write penalty on eviction. You seem to have missed the very next paragraph: 3644 * 2. The L2ARC attempts to cache data from the ARC before it is evicted. 3645 * It does this by periodically scanning buffers from the eviction-end of 3646 * the MFU a

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Henrik Johansson
Hello, On Mar 6, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: > This is purely tactical, to avoid l2arc write penalty on eviction. You seem > to have missed the very next paragraph: > >3644 * 2. The L2ARC attempts to cache data from the ARC before it is > evicted. >3645 * It does this by p

[zfs-discuss] ZFS aclmode property

2010-03-06 Thread Ralf Utermann
we recently started to look at a ZFS based solution as a possible replacement for our DCE/DFS based campus filesystem (yes, this is still in production here). The ACL model of the combination OpenSolaris+ZFS+in-kernel-CIFS+NFSv4 looks like a really promising setup, something which could place it h

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread James Dickens
Hi okay its not what i feared, it is probably caching every bit of data and metadata you have written so far, why shouldn't it you have the space in the l2 cache, and it can't offer to return it if its not in the cache, after the cache is full or near full it will choose more carefully what to kee

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS aclmode property

2010-03-06 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 6-3-2010 18:41, Ralf Utermann wrote: So from this site: we very much support the idea of adding ignore and deny values for the aclmode property! However, reading PSARC/2010/029, it looks like we will get aclmode=discard for everybody and the property removed. I hope this is not the end of the

[zfs-discuss] Monitoring my disk activity

2010-03-06 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
Recently, I'm benchmarking all kinds of stuff on my systems. And one question I can't intelligently answer is what blocksize I should use in these tests. I assume there is something which monitors present disk activity, that I could run on my production servers, to give me some statistics of t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fishworks 2010Q1 and dedup bug?

2010-03-06 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 5, 2010, at 5:10 PM, James Dickens wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Tonmaus wrote: > Hi, > > so, what would be a critical test size in your opinion? Are there any other > side conditions? > > > when your dedup hash table ( a table that holds a checksum of every block > seen on

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sat, Mar 6 at 3:15, Abdullah Al-Dahlawi wrote: hdd ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t0d0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 rpool ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t0d0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0 I trimmed your zpool status output a bit. Are those two the

Re: [zfs-discuss] WriteBack versus SSD-ZIL

2010-03-06 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Zhu Han wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: > This is true. SSDs and HDs differ little in their ability to handle raw > throughput. However, we often still see problems in ZFS associated with > periodic system "pauses" where ZFS effectively

Re: [zfs-discuss] Monitoring my disk activity

2010-03-06 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 6, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Recently, I’m benchmarking all kinds of stuff on my systems. And one > question I can’t intelligently answer is what blocksize I should use in these > tests. > > I assume there is something which monitors present disk activity, that I > c

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6 at 3:15, Abdullah Al-Dahlawi wrote: >> >> hdd ONLINE 0 0 0 >>c7t0d0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 >> >> rpool ONLINE 0 0 0 >>c7t0d0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0

[zfs-discuss] Thoughts pls. : Create 3 way rpool mirror and shelve one mirror as a backup

2010-03-06 Thread tomwaters
Hi guys, On my home server (2009.6) I have a 2 HDD's in a mirrored rpool. I just added a 3rd to the mirror and made all disks bootable (ie. installgrub on the mirror disks). My though is this, I remove the 3rd mirror disk and offsite it as a backup. That way if I mess up the rpool, I can get

Re: [zfs-discuss] Does OpenSolaris mpt driver support LSI 2008 controller

2010-03-06 Thread norm.tallant
I'm about to try it! My LSI SAS 9211-8i should arrive Monday or Tuesday. I bought the cable-less version, opting instead to save a few $ and buy Adaptec 2247000-R SAS to SATA cables. My rig will be based off of fairly new kit, so it should be interesting to see how 2009.06 deals with it all :

Re: [zfs-discuss] Thoughts pls. : Create 3 way rpool mirror and shelve one mirror as a backup

2010-03-06 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 6, 2010, at 5:38 PM, tomwaters wrote: > Hi guys, > On my home server (2009.6) I have a 2 HDD's in a mirrored rpool. > > I just added a 3rd to the mirror and made all disks bootable (ie. installgrub > on the mirror disks). > > My though is this, I remove the 3rd mirror disk and offsite

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] WriteBack versus SSD-ZIL

2010-03-06 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From everything I've seen, an SSD wins simply because it's 20-100x the > size. HBAs almost never have more than 512MB of cache, and even fancy > SAN boxes generally have 1-2GB max. So, HBAs are subject to being > overwhelmed with heavy I/O. The SSD ZIL has a much better chance of > being able to

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool on sparse files

2010-03-06 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> You are running into this bug: > http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6929751 > Currently, building a pool from files is not fully supported. I think Cindy and I interpreted the question differently. If you want the zpool inside a file to stay mounted while the system is r

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sat, Mar 6 at 15:04, Richard Elling wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Sat, Mar 6 at 3:15, Abdullah Al-Dahlawi wrote: hdd ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t0d0p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 rpool ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t0d

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Richard Elling
On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: > On Sat, Mar 6 at 15:04, Richard Elling wrote: >> On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: >>> On Sat, Mar 6 at 3:15, Abdullah Al-Dahlawi wrote: hdd ONLINE 0 0 0 c7t0d0p3 ONLINE 0

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS aclmode property

2010-03-06 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010, Ralf Utermann wrote: > we recently started to look at a ZFS based solution as a possible > replacement for our DCE/DFS based campus filesystem (yes, this is still > in production here). Hey, a fellow DFS shop :)... We finally migrated the last production files off of DFS last

Re: [zfs-discuss] why L2ARC device is used to store files ?

2010-03-06 Thread Abdullah Al-Dahlawi
Hi ALL I might be little bit confused !!! I will try to ask my question in a simple way ... Why would a 16GB L2ARC device got filled by running a benchmark that uses a 2GB workingset while having a 2GB ARC max ? I know I am missing something here ! Thanks On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 12:05

[zfs-discuss] strangeness after resilvering disk from raidz1 on disks with no EFI GPTs

2010-03-06 Thread Ethan
I have a zpool of five 1.5TB disks in raidz1. They are on c?t?d?p0 devices - using the full disk, not any slice or partition, because the pool was created in zfs-fuse in linux and no partition tables were ever created. (for the full saga of my move from that to opensolaris, anyone who missed out on