Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Layout for multiple large streaming writes.

2007-03-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello przemolicc, Monday, March 12, 2007, 8:50:57 AM, you wrote: ppf> On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 12:08:22AM +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: >> Hello Carisdad, >> >> Friday, March 9, 2007, 7:05:02 PM, you wrote: >> >> C> I have a setup with a T2000 SAN attached to 90 500GB SATA drives >> C> present

Re: [zfs-discuss] Layout for multiple large streaming writes.

2007-03-12 Thread przemolicc
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 09:34:22AM +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: > Hello przemolicc, > > Monday, March 12, 2007, 8:50:57 AM, you wrote: > > ppf> On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 12:08:22AM +0100, Robert Milkowski wrote: > >> Hello Carisdad, > >> > >> Friday, March 9, 2007, 7:05:02 PM, you wrote: > >> >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS stalling problem

2007-03-12 Thread Roch - PAE
Working with a small txg_time means we are hit by the pool sync overhead more often. This is why the per second throughpuot has smaller peak values. With txg_time = 5, we have another problem which is that depending on timing of the pool sync, some txg can end up with too little data in them an

Re: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-12 Thread Manoj Joseph
Ayaz, Ayaz Anjum wrote: HI ! I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? is not this compromising data integrity ? As ot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Enda O'Connor
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:21:13AM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: On March 11, 2007 6:05:13 PM + Tim Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * ability to add disks to mirror the root filesystem at any time, should they become available Can't this be done with

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-12 Thread Roch - PAE
Did you run "touch" from a client ? ZFS and UFS are different in general but in response to a local "touch" command neither need to generate immediate I/O and in response to a client "touch" both do. -r Ayaz Anjum writes: > HI ! > > Well as per my actual post, i created a zfs file as part

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS/UFS layout for 4 disk servers

2007-03-12 Thread Roch - PAE
Frank Cusack writes: > On March 7, 2007 8:50:53 AM -0800 Matt B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any thoughts on the best practice points I am raising? It disturbs me > > that it would make a statement like "don't use slices for production". > > I think that's just a performance thing. > Ri

[zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration on X4500 for reliability

2007-03-12 Thread Len Zaifman
I am configuring my first thumper. Our goal is to reduce the odds that a single failure will take down the file system. DOes such a design exist. I cannot find it. Questions: 1)Do boot disks (currently controller 5 , disk 0 and 4) have to be on one controller or can they be split (eg contolle

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Malachi de AElfweald
> ZFS supports swap to /dev/vzol, however, I do not > have data related to > performance. > Also note that ZFS does not support dump yet, see RFE > 5008936. I am getting ready to install a new server from scratch. While I had been hoping to do a full-radiz2 system, from what I am understanding h

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Kyle McDonald
Malachi de AElfweald wrote: 1) How do I at least mirror the root partition during install (instead of the convoluted after-the-fact instructions all over the net) Use Jumpstart. A profile to install your machine with mirroring should be pretty short, simple, and easy to create. It will be do

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Mar-07, at 11:28 AM, Malachi de AElfweald wrote: ZFS supports swap to /dev/vzol, however, I do not have data related to performance. Also note that ZFS does not support dump yet, see RFE 5008936. I am getting ready to install a new server from scratch. While I had been hoping to do a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Darren Dunham
> I am getting ready to install a new server from scratch. While I had > been hoping to do a full-radiz2 system, from what I am understanding > here, my best bet is to still do a UFS drive for the root/boot > partition, since ZFS does not support dump. Is this correct? There is no official suppor

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Malachi de Ælfweald
I took a look at some Jumpstart instructions... As a n00b to Solaris Administration, I think I am likely to screw that up at the moment. I know that with my FreeBSD system, I specified the RAID at the hardware level then fdisk detected the volume as something I could install to... Last time I tr

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Darren Dunham
> I know that with my FreeBSD system, I specified the RAID at the hardware > level then fdisk detected the volume as something I could install to... > Last time I tried that with Solaris, it didn't detect any drives. HW raid depends on the specific hardware and the existence of Solaris drivers to

[zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Gary Gendel
This is great news. A question crossed my mind. I'm sure it's a dumb one but I thought I'd ask anyway... How will LiveUpdate work when the boot partition is in the pool? Gary This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs

[zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
After the interesting revelations about the X2100 and it's hot-swap abilities, what are the abilities of the X2200-M2's disk subsystem, and is ZFS going to tickle any wierdness out of them? -brian -- "The reason I don't use Gnome: every single other window manager I know of is very powerfully ext

[zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Richard Elling
[sorry for the late reply, the original got stuck in the mail] clarification below... > > Ian Collins wrote: > > > Thanks for the heads up. > > > > > > I'm building a new file server at the moment and > > I'd like to make sure I > > > can migrate to ZFS boot when it arrives. > > > > > > My current

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Brian, To my understanding the X2100 M2 and X2200 M2 are basically the same board OEM'd from Quanta...except the 2200 M2 has two sockets. As to ZFS and their weirdness, it would seem to me that fixing it would be more an issue of the SATA/SCSI driver. I may be wrong here. -J On 3/12/07, Bri

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Bart Smaalders
Richard Elling wrote: [sorry for the late reply, the original got stuck in the mail] clarification below... Ian Collins wrote: Thanks for the heads up. I'm building a new file server at the moment and I'd like to make sure I can migrate to ZFS boot when it arrives. My current plan is to cr

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Bart Smaalders
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Brian, To my understanding the X2100 M2 and X2200 M2 are basically the same board OEM'd from Quanta...except the 2200 M2 has two sockets. As to ZFS and their weirdness, it would seem to me that fixing it would be more an issue of the SATA/SCSI driver. I may be wro

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Toby Thain
On 12-Mar-07, at 2:37 PM, Bart Smaalders wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Brian, To my understanding the X2100 M2 and X2200 M2 are basically the same board OEM'd from Quanta...except the 2200 M2 has two sockets. As to ZFS and their weirdness, it would seem to me that fixing it would be mo

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Rayson Ho
So what is the progress of the SATA Framework integration?? http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006011301/ I don't have an X2200-M2, but I would love to run my SATA drives in SATA mode :) Rayson On 3/12/07, Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12-Mar-07, at 2:37

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Frank Cusack
On March 12, 2007 2:50:14 PM -0400 Rayson Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So what is the progress of the SATA Framework integration?? http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006011301/ The framework is integrated in both Solaris and OpenSolaris, as demonstrated by the fact th

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 12:14:00PM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On March 12, 2007 2:50:14 PM -0400 Rayson Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >So what is the progress of the SATA Framework integration?? > > > >http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006011301/ > > The framework is

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Marty Faltesek
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:14 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On March 12, 2007 2:50:14 PM -0400 Rayson Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So what is the progress of the SATA Framework integration?? > > > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2006011301/ > > The framework is integ

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Malachi de Ælfweald
What about the nVidia MCP55PXE (Asus L1N64-SLI board)? Malachi On 3/12/07, Marty Faltesek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:14 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On March 12, 2007 2:50:14 PM -0400 Rayson Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So what is the progress of the SATA Framewo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Dick Davies
On 12/03/07, Darren Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:21:13AM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > > On March 11, 2007 6:05:13 PM + Tim Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >* ability to add disks to mirror the root filesystem at any time, > > > should they become avai

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-12 Thread Darren Dunham
> > *if* you already have the root filesystem under SVM in the first place, > > then no reboot should be required to add a mirror. And I assume that's > > all we're talking about for the ZFS mirroring as well. > > Is there any reason you'd have SVM on just the one partition? I can > see why you'd

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and Solaris as a VMWare guest

2007-03-12 Thread Darren . Reed
What issues, if any, are likely to surface with using Solaris inside vmware as a guest os, if I choose to use ZFS? I'm assuming that ZFS's ability to maintain data integrity will prevail and protect me from any problems that the addition of vmware might introduce. Are there likely to be any issu

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS configuration on X4500 for reliability

2007-03-12 Thread Richard Elling
> I am configuring my first thumper. Our goal is to > reduce the odds that a single failure will take down > the file system. DOes such a design exist. I cannot > find it. It should ship this way. There should be a zpool created with redundancy. > Questions: > 1)Do boot disks (currently contro

[zfs-discuss] zpool(1M): import -a?

2007-03-12 Thread David Bustos
My copies of zpool(1M) have three entries for zpool import: zpool import [-d dir] [-D] zpool import [-d dir] [-D] [-f] [-o opts] [-R root] pool | id [newpool] zpool import [-d dir] [-D] [-f] [-a] Shouldn't the last one be zpool import [-d dir] [-D] [-f] -a ? That is, if the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X2200-M2

2007-03-12 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Marty, We'd love to beta the driver. Currently, have 5 X2100 M2s in production and 1 in development. Best Regards, Jason On 3/12/07, Marty Faltesek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 12:14 -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On March 12, 2007 2:50:14 PM -0400 Rayson Ho <[EMAIL PROTEC

[zfs-discuss] Re: Layout for multiple large streaming writes.

2007-03-12 Thread Richard Elling
> I have a setup with a T2000 SAN attached to 90 500GB SATA drives > presented as individual luns to the host. We will be sending mostly > large streaming writes to the filesystems over the network (~2GB/file) > in 5/6 streams per filesystem. Data protection is pretty important, but > we need

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Solaris as a VMWare guest

2007-03-12 Thread James Dickens
On 3/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What issues, if any, are likely to surface with using Solaris inside vmware as a guest os, if I choose to use ZFS? works great in vmware server, IO rates suck. I'm assuming that ZFS's ability to maintain data integrity will prevail an

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Solaris as a VMWare guest

2007-03-12 Thread Erast Benson
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 20:53 -0600, James Dickens wrote: > > > On 3/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What issues, if any, are likely to surface with using Solaris > inside vmware as a guest os, if I choose to use ZFS? > > works great in vmware server, IO rate

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Solaris as a VMWare guest

2007-03-12 Thread James Dickens
On 3/12/07, Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 20:53 -0600, James Dickens wrote: > > > On 3/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What issues, if any, are likely to surface with using Solaris > inside vmware as a guest os, if I choose to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS configuration on X4500 for reliability

2007-03-12 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Len Zaifman wrote: > 9 pools of 5 disk raidzs. You should use only one pool, with multiple raidz vdevs. Perhaps you just made a typo, as the below commands create one pool ("adp"). For maximum redundancy, consider using double-parity raidz (raidz2). As Richard mentioned, don't worry about w