Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-30 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Robert Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you got more details or at least bug ids? > Is it only (I dboubt) fc related? I ran into something that looks like 6594621 dangling dbufs (dn=ff056a5ad0a8, dbuf=ff0520303300) during stress with LDoms 1.0.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-30 Thread Erik Trimble
Jeff Bonwick wrote: > Using ZFS to mirror two hardware RAID-5 LUNs is actually quite nice. > Because the data is mirrored at the ZFS level, you get all the benefits > of self-healing. Moreover, you can survive a great variety of hardware > failures: three or more disks can die (one in the first ar

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-30 Thread Jeff Bonwick
Using ZFS to mirror two hardware RAID-5 LUNs is actually quite nice. Because the data is mirrored at the ZFS level, you get all the benefits of self-healing. Moreover, you can survive a great variety of hardware failures: three or more disks can die (one in the first array, two or more in the seco

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-17 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Erik, Monday, June 16, 2008, 9:45:13 AM, you wrote: ET> One thing I should mention on this is that I've had _very_ bad ET> experience with using single-LUN ZFS filesystems over FC. ET> that is, using an external SAN box to create a single LUN, export that ET> LUN to a FC-connected host,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-16 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Vincent Fox wrote: > Also the array has SAN connectivity and caching and > dual-controllers that just don't exist in the JBOD world. As a clarification, you can convince your StorageTek 2540 to appear as JBOD on the SAN. Then you obtain the SAN connectivity and caching and

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-16 Thread Vincent Fox
I'm not sure why people obsess over this issue so much. Disk is cheap. We have a fair number of 3510 and 2540 on our SAN. They make RAID-5 LUNs available to various servers. On the servers we take RAID-5 LUNs from different arrays and ZFS mirror them. So if any array goes away we are still u

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-16 Thread Erik Trimble
One thing I should mention on this is that I've had _very_ bad experience with using single-LUN ZFS filesystems over FC. that is, using an external SAN box to create a single LUN, export that LUN to a FC-connected host, then creating a pool as follows: zpool create tank It works fine, up unt

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008, Brian Hechinger wrote: >> how long the scrub takes. My pool is set to be scrubbed every night >> via a cron job: > > And like all other things of this nature, the more often you do it, the > less invasive it will be as there is less to do. That being said, I still > wouldn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 02:51:31PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > I think that "none requested" likely means that the administrator has > never issued a request to scrub the pool. Or the system. That status line will show the last scrub/resilver to have taken place. "None requested" means t

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 02:19:05PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, Brian Wilson wrote: > > > What are the odds, in that configuration of zpool (no mirroring, > > just using the intelligent disk as concatenated luns in the zpool) > > that if we have this silent corruption, th

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Al Hopper
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Brian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, zfsmonk wrote: >> >> > Mentioned on >> > >> http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide >> >> > is the following: "ZFS works well with storage based protected LUNs >

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, dick hoogendijk wrote: >> With zfs you can scrub the pool at the system level. This allows you >> to discover many issues early before they become nightmares. > > #zpool status > scrub: none requested > > My question is really, do I wait 'till scrub is requested or am I > sup

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:19:05 -0500 (CDT) Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With zfs you can scrub the pool at the system level. This allows you > to discover many issues early before they become nightmares. #zpool status scrub: none requested My question is really, do I wait 'till s

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, Brian Wilson wrote: > What are the odds, in that configuration of zpool (no mirroring, > just using the intelligent disk as concatenated luns in the zpool) > that if we have this silent corruption, the whole zpool dies? If > anyone knows, what's the comparative odds of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Brian Wilson
- Original Message - From: Brian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays To: Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > > On Sat, 14 Jun 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Brian Wilson
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, zfsmonk wrote: > > > Mentioned on > > > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide > > > is the following: "ZFS works well with storage based protected LUNs > > > (RAID-5 or mirrored LUNs from intelligent storage arrays). However, > >

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008, zfsmonk wrote: > Mentioned on > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide > is the following: "ZFS works well with storage based protected LUNs > (RAID-5 or mirrored LUNs from intelligent storage arrays). However, > ZFS cannot heal corrupted b

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread Tomas Ă–gren
On 14 June, 2008 - zfsmonk sent me these 0,7K bytes: > Mentioned on > http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide > is the following: "ZFS works well with storage based protected LUNs > (RAID-5 or mirrored LUNs from intelligent storage arrays). However, > ZFS cannot hea

[zfs-discuss] zpool with RAID-5 from intelligent storage arrays

2008-06-14 Thread zfsmonk
Mentioned on http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Best_Practices_Guide is the following: "ZFS works well with storage based protected LUNs (RAID-5 or mirrored LUNs from intelligent storage arrays). However, ZFS cannot heal corrupted blocks that are detected by ZFS checksums." bas