Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Fred Liu wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 星期三, 六月 15, 2011 11:59 >> To: Fred Liu >> Cc: Jim Klimov; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org >> Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares? >> >> On Jun

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
> -Original Message- > From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] > Sent: 星期三, 六月 15, 2011 11:59 > To: Fred Liu > Cc: Jim Klimov; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares? > > On Jun 14, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Fred Liu wrote: > > > What is th

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Fred Liu wrote: > What is the difference between warm spares and hot spares? Warm spares are connected and powered. Hot spares are connected, powered, and automatically brought online to replace a "failed" disk. The reason I'm leaning towards warm spares is because I

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > I'm looking to create a NAS with versioning for non-technical users (Windows > and Mac). I want the users to be able to simply save a file, and a > revision/snapshot is created. I could use a revision control software like > SVN (it has autove

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: > Hello, > >  A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, > and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding > another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the > desktop OS. According to his research, the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov > >A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, > and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding > another server in his small quiet apartment or

[zfs-discuss] zfs usable space?

2011-06-14 Thread Ding Honghui
I have 15x1TB disks, each disk usable space should be 1Tib=1B=1/1024/1024/1024G=931G. As it shows in command format: # echo | format | grep MD 3. c4t60026B900053AA1502C74B8F0EADd0 4. c4t60026B900053AA1502C94B8F0EE3d0 5. c4t60026B900053AA15000

Re: [zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Simon Walter > > I'm looking to create a NAS with versioning for non-technical users > (Windows and Mac). I want the users to be able to simply save a file, > and a revision/snapshot is created

[zfs-discuss] zpool/zfs properties in SNMP

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
Hi, Anyone who is successfully poll the zpool/zfs properties thrun SNMP? Thanks. Fred ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] The length of zpool history

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
I assume the history is stored in the meta data. Is it possible to configure how long/much history can be stored/displayed? I know it is doable via external/additional automation like porting to a database. Thanks. Fred ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zf

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs - pls help

2011-06-14 Thread Nathan Kroenert
Hi Max, Unhelpful questions about your CPU aside, what else is your box doing? Can you run up a second or third shell (ssh or whatever) and watch if the disks / system are doing any work? Were it Solaris, I'd run: iostat -x prstat -a vmstat mpstat (Though as discussed, you ha

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Fred Liu
What is the difference between warm spares and hot spares? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs any zfs-related programs, eats all RAM and dies in swapping hell

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-15 0:16, Frank Van Damme пишет: 2011/6/10 Tim Cook: While your memory may be sufficient, that cpu is sorely lacking. Is it even 64bit? There's a reason intel couldn't give those things away in the early 2000s and amd was eating their lunch. A Pentium 4 is 32-bit. Technically, this

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs any zfs-related programs, eats all RAM and dies in swapping hell

2011-06-14 Thread Tim Cook
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Frank Van Damme wrote: > 2011/6/10 Tim Cook : > > While your memory may be sufficient, that cpu is sorely lacking. Is it > even > > 64bit? There's a reason intel couldn't give those things away in the > early > > 2000s and amd was eating their lunch. > > A Pentiu

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs any zfs-related programs, eats all RAM and dies in swapping hell

2011-06-14 Thread Frank Van Damme
2011/6/10 Tim Cook : > While your memory may be sufficient, that cpu is sorely lacking.  Is it even > 64bit?  There's a reason intel couldn't give those things away in the early > 2000s and amd was eating their lunch. A Pentium 4 is 32-bit. -- Frank Van Damme No part of this copyright message ma

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/14/2011 12:50 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did actually suggest this as a considered variant as well ;) I am goin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> Are there estimates on how performant and stable would > it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with > dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same > desktop? I did actually suggest this as a considered > variant as well ;) > > I am going to try and build such a VirtualBox fo

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
I just learned from the Phoronix website that KQ Infotech has stopped working on ZFS for Linux, but that their github repo is still active. Also, zfsonlinux.org mentioned earlier on this mail thread is seeing active development. -- Sriram On 6/14/11, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > There's also ZFS f

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On 06/14/11 04:15, Rasmus Fauske wrote: > I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but > when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that > disk set (or just the old drive) > > Is this normal ? (the speed is always slow in the start so thats not > what

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> Hi, > > I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but > when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that > disk set (or just the old drive) > > Is this normal ? (the speed is always slow in the start so thats not > what I am wondering about, but that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Stephan Budach
Am 14.06.11 15:12, schrieb Rasmus Fauske: Den 14.06.2011 14:06, skrev Edward Ned Harvey: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rasmus Fauske I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace i

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-14 21:38, Marty Scholes пишет: Just for completeness, there is also VirtualBox which runs Solaris nicely. Are there estimates on how performant and stable would it be to run VirtualBox with a Solaris-derived NAS with dedicated hardware disks, and use that from the same desktop? I did act

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 10:38 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > 2011-06-14 19:23, Richard Elling пишет: >> On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Is there any sort of a "Global Hot Spare" feature in ZFS, >>> i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically >>>

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-06-14 19:23, Richard Elling пишет: On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, Is there any sort of a "Global Hot Spare" feature in ZFS, i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically be pulled into any faulted pool on the system? Yes. See the ZFS Admin Gu

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Marty Scholes
Just for completeness, there is also VirtualBox which runs Solaris nicely. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] question about COW and snapshots

2011-06-14 Thread Simon Walter
I'm looking to create a NAS with versioning for non-technical users (Windows and Mac). I want the users to be able to simply save a file, and a revision/snapshot is created. I could use a revision control software like SVN (it has autoversioning with WebDAV), and I will if this filesystem level

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Kraus
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric D. Mudama wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14 at  8:04, Paul Kraus wrote: >> I saw some stats a year or more ago that indicated the MTDL for raidZ2 >> was better than for a 2-way mirror. In order of best to worst I >> remember the rankings as: >> >> raidZ3 (least likely

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Tue, Jun 14 at 8:04, Paul Kraus wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: I'd have to re-look at the exact numbers, but, I'd generally say that 2x6raidz2 vdevs would be better than either 1x12raidz3 or 4x3raidz1 (or 3x4raidz1, for a home server not looking for super-criti

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Sriram Narayanan
There's also ZFS from KQInfotech. -- Sriram On 6/14/11, David Magda wrote: > On Tue, June 14, 2011 08:15, Jim Klimov wrote: >> Hello, >> >>A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, >> and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding >> another server in his

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Lanky Doodle > > But as it for a home media server, which is mainly WORM access and will be > storing (legal!) DVD/Bluray rips i'm not so sure I can sacrify the space. For your purposes, raidz

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: > Hello all, > > Is there any sort of a "Global Hot Spare" feature in ZFS, > i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically > be pulled into any faulted pool on the system? Yes. See the ZFS Admin Guide section on Designating Hot Spa

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Lanky Doodle
Thanks martysch. That is what I meant about adding disks to vdevs - not adding disks to vdevs but adding vdevs to pools. If the geometry of the vdevs should ideally be the same, it would make sense to buy one more disk now and have a 7 disk raid-z2 to start with, then buy disks as and when and

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Marty Scholes
I am asssuming you will put all of the vdevs into a single pool, which is a good idea unless you have a specific reason for keeping them separate, e.g. you want to be able to destroy / rebuild a particular vdev while leaving the others intact. Fewer disks per vdev implies more vdevs, providing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Rasmus Fauske
Den 14.06.2011 14:06, skrev Edward Ned Harvey: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rasmus Fauske I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only

[zfs-discuss] zpool import hangs - pls help

2011-06-14 Thread Maximilian Sarte
Hi, I am posting here in a tad of desperation. FYI, I am running FreeNAS 8.0. Anyhow, I created a raidz1 (tank1) with 4 x 2Tb WD EARS hdds. All was doing ok until I decided to up the RAM to 4 Gb since it is what was recommended. Asap I re-started data migration, the ZFS issued messages indicati

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread David Magda
On Tue, June 14, 2011 08:15, Jim Klimov wrote: > Hello, > >A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, > and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding > another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the > desktop OS. According to his research, there

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Lanky Doodle
Thanks Edward. I'm in two minds with mirrors. I know they provide the best performance and protection, and if this was a business critical machine I wouldn't hesitate. But as it for a home media server, which is mainly WORM access and will be storing (legal!) DVD/Bluray rips i'm not so sure I c

[zfs-discuss] zfs global hot spares?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, Is there any sort of a "Global Hot Spare" feature in ZFS, i.e. that one sufficiently-sized spare HDD would automatically be pulled into any faulted pool on the system? So far I saw adding hot spares dedicated to a certain pool. And perhaps scripts to detach-attach hotspares betwee

[zfs-discuss] ZFS for Linux?

2011-06-14 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello, A college friend of mine is using Debian Linux on his desktop, and wondered if he could tap into ZFS goodness without adding another server in his small quiet apartment or changing the desktop OS. According to his research, there are some kernel modules for Debian which implement ZFS, or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rasmus Fauske > > I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but > when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that > disk set (or just the old drive)

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Kraus
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: > I'd have to re-look at the exact numbers, but, I'd generally say that > 2x6raidz2 vdevs would be better than either 1x12raidz3 or 4x3raidz1 (or > 3x4raidz1, for a home server not looking for super-critical protection (in > which case, you sho

Re: [zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Lanky Doodle > > The ZFS install will be mirrored, but I am not sure how to configure the 15 > data disks from a performance (inc. resilvering) vs protection vs usable space > perspective; > >

[zfs-discuss] Disk replacement need to scan full pool ?

2011-06-14 Thread Rasmus Fauske
Hi, I want to replace some slow consumer drives with new edc re4 ones but when I do a replace it needs to scan the full pool and not only that disk set (or just the old drive) Is this normal ? (the speed is always slow in the start so thats not what I am wondering about, but that it needs to

[zfs-discuss] # disks per vdev

2011-06-14 Thread Lanky Doodle
Hiya, I am just in the planning stages for my ZFS Home Media Server build at the moment (to replace WHS v1). I plan to use 2x motherboard ports and 2x Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 8 port SATA cards to give 17* drive connections; 2 disks (120GB SATA 2.5") will be used for the ZFS install using the