Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Hi Richard, Yes, I did miss that one, but could you remind me what exactly are the sd and ssd drivers? I can find lots of details about configuring them, but no basic documentation telling me what they are. I'm also a little confused as to whether it would have helped our case. The logs abov

Re: [zfs-discuss] Install and boot from USB stick?

2009-07-30 Thread Jürgen Keil
> The GRUB menu is presented, no problem there, and > then the opensolaris progress bar. But im unable to > find a way to view any details on whats happening > there. The progress bar just keep scrolling and > scrolling. Press the ESC key; this should switch back from graphics to text mode and mos

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Great idea, much neater than most of my suggestions too :-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] article on btrfs, comparison with zfs

2009-07-30 Thread C. Bergström
James C. McPherson wrote: An introduction to btrfs, from somebody who used to work on ZFS: http://www.osnews.com/story/21920/A_Short_History_of_btrfs *very* interesting article.. Not sure why James didn't directly link to it, but courteous of Valerie Aurora (formerly Henson) http://lwn.net

Re: [zfs-discuss] Install and boot from USB stick?

2009-07-30 Thread tore
Well that seem to work well! :) Still, now the issue have changed from not being able to install to USB, to not being able to properly boot from USB. The GRUB menu is presented, no problem there, and then the opensolaris progress bar. But im unable to find a way to view any details on whats happ

[zfs-discuss] article on btrfs, comparison with zfs

2009-07-30 Thread James C. McPherson
An introduction to btrfs, from somebody who used to work on ZFS: http://www.osnews.com/story/21920/A_Short_History_of_btrfs James C. McPherson -- Senior Kernel Software Engineer, Solaris Sun Microsystems http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog Kernel Conference Austr

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Jorgen Lundman
X25-E would be good, but some pools have no spares, and since you can't remove vdevs, we'd have to move all customers off the x4500 before we can use it. Ah it just occurred to me that perhaps for our specific problem, we will buy two X25-Es and replace the root mirror. The OS and ZIL logs c

Re: [zfs-discuss] Managing ZFS Replication

2009-07-30 Thread Brent Jones
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: > Anyone come up with a solution to manage the replication of ZFS snapshots? > The send/recv criteria gets tricky with all but the first unless you purge > the destination of snapshots, then force a full stream into it. > > I was hoping to sc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Intel X25-E SSD in x4500 followup

2009-07-30 Thread Alex Li
We found lots of SAS Controller Reset and errors to SSD on our servers (OpenSolaris 2008.05 and 2009.06 with third-party JBOD and X25-E). Whenever there is an error, the MySQL insert takes more than 4 seconds. It was quite scary. Eventually our engineer disabled the Fault Management SMART Pooli

[zfs-discuss] Managing ZFS Replication

2009-07-30 Thread Joseph L. Casale
Anyone come up with a solution to manage the replication of ZFS snapshots? The send/recv criteria gets tricky with all but the first unless you purge the destination of snapshots, then force a full stream into it. I was hoping to script a daily update but I see that I would have to keep track of w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Rob Terhaar (rob...@robbyt.net) wrote: > I'm sure this has been discussed in the past. But its very hard to > understand, or even patch incredibly advanced software such as ZFS > without a deep understanding of the internals. It's also very hard for the primary ZFS developers to satisfy everyone

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best ways to contribute WAS: Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread C. Bergström
Rob Terhaar wrote: I'm sure this has been discussed in the past. But its very hard to understand, or even patch incredibly advanced software such as ZFS without a deep understanding of the internals. It will take quite a while before anyone can start understanding a file system which was develop

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Rob Terhaar
I'm sure this has been discussed in the past. But its very hard to understand, or even patch incredibly advanced software such as ZFS without a deep understanding of the internals. It will take quite a while before anyone can start understanding a file system which was developed behind closed door

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Roman V Shaposhnik
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 09:33 +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: > Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: > > On the read-only front: wouldn't it be cool to *not* run zfs sends > > explicitly but have: > > .zfs/send/ > > .zfs/sendr/- > > give you the same data automagically? > > > > On the read-write front:

[zfs-discuss] crossmnt ?

2009-07-30 Thread roland
Hello ! How can i export a filesystem /export1 so that sub-filesystems within that filesystems will be available and usable on the client side without additional "mount/share effort" ? this is possible with linux nfsd and i wonder how this can be done with solaris nfs. i`d like to use /export

Re: [zfs-discuss] deduplication

2009-07-30 Thread Nathan Hudson-Crim
I'll maintain hope for seeing/hearing the presentation until you guys announce that you had NASA store the tape for safe-keeping. Bump'd. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.o

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Richard Elling wrote: According to Gartner, enterprise SSDs accounted for $92.6M of a $585.5M SSD market in June 2009, representing 15.8% of the SSD market. STEC recently announced an order for $120M of ZeusIOPS drives from "a single enterprise storage customer." From 20

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Ross wrote: Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8, based on the Marvell chipset. I figured it was the best available at the time since it's using the same chipset as the x4500 Thumper servers. Our next machine will be using LSI controllers, but I'm still not entirely happ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread C. Bergström
Ross wrote: Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8, based on the Marvell chipset. I figured it was the best available at the time since it's using the same chipset as the x4500 Thumper servers. Our next machine will be using LSI controllers, but I'm still not entirely happy with the way ZFS handles timeout

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:07 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Except for price/GB, it is game over for HDDs. Since price/GB is based on Moore's Law, it is just a matter of time. SSD's are a sufficiently new technology that I suspect there's significant

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8, based on the Marvell chipset. I figured it was the best available at the time since it's using the same chipset as the x4500 Thumper servers. Our next machine will be using LSI controllers, but I'm still not entirely happy with the way ZFS handles timeout type errors.

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Darren J Moffat
James Lever wrote: On 30/07/2009, at 11:32 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On the host that has the ZFS datasets (ie the NFS/CIFS server) you need to give the user the delegation to create snapshots and to mount them: # zfs allow -u james snapshot,mount,destroy tank/home/james Ahh, it was the

Re: [zfs-discuss] avail drops to 32.1T from 40.8T after create -o mountpoint

2009-07-30 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 06:50 -0700, Glen Gunselman wrote: > There was a time when manufacturers know about base-2 but those days > are long gone. Oh, they know all about base-2; it's just that disks seem bigger when you use base-10 units. Measure a disk's size in 10^(3n)-based KB/MB/GB/TB units,

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread James Lever
On 30/07/2009, at 11:32 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On the host that has the ZFS datasets (ie the NFS/CIFS server) you need to give the user the delegation to create snapshots and to mount them: # zfs allow -u james snapshot,mount,destroy tank/home/james Ahh, it was the lack of mount that

Re: [zfs-discuss] Fed up with ZFS causing data loss

2009-07-30 Thread roland
what`s your disk controller? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-07-30 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:51:22AM -0700, Jan wrote: > Hi all, > I need to know if it is possible to expand the capacity of a zpool > without loss of data by growing the LUN (2TB) presented from an HP EVA > to a Solaris 10 host. Yes. > I know that there is a possible way in Solaris Express Commun

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10

2009-07-30 Thread Will Murnane
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 14:50, Kurt Olsen wrote: > I'm using an Acard ANS-9010B (configured with 12 GB battery backed ECC RAM w/ > 16 GB CF card for longer term power losses. Device cost $250, RAM cost about > $120, and the CF around $100.) It just shows up as a SATA drive. Works fine > attached

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Except for price/GB, it is game over for HDDs. Since price/GB is based on Moore's Law, it is just a matter of time. SSD's are a sufficiently new technology that I suspect there's significant probably of discovering new techniques which give larger s

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10

2009-07-30 Thread Kurt Olsen
I'm using an Acard ANS-9010B (configured with 12 GB battery backed ECC RAM w/ 16 GB CF card for longer term power losses. Device cost $250, RAM cost about $120, and the CF around $100.) It just shows up as a SATA drive. Works fine attached to an LSI 1068E. Since -- as I understand it -- one's ZI

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: Do these SSDs require a lot of cooling? No. During the "Turbo Charge your Apps" presentations I was doing around the UK, I often pulled one out of a server to hand around the audience when I'd finished the demos on i

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ross wrote: Without spare drive bays I don't think you're going to find one solution that works for x4500 and x4540 servers. However, are these servers physically close together? Have you considered running the slo

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
That should work just as well Bob, although rather than velcro I'd be tempted to drill some holes into the server chassis somewhere and screw the drives on. These things do use a bit of power, but with the airflow in a thumper I don't think I'd be worried. If they were my own servers I'd be ve

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Ross wrote: Without spare drive bays I don't think you're going to find one solution that works for x4500 and x4540 servers. However, are these servers physically close together? Have you considered running the slog devices externally? This all sounds really sophistica

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Kyle McDonald
Markus Kovero wrote: btw, there's coming new Intel X25-M (G2) next month that will offer better random read/writes than E-series and seriously cheap pricetag, worth for a try I'd say. The suggested MSRP of the 80GB generation 2 (G2) is supposed to be $225. Even though the G2 is not shippin

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2009-07-30 Thread Kyle McDonald
Ralf Gans wrote: Jumpstart puts a loopback mount into the vfstab, and the next boot fails. The Solaris will do the mountall before ZFS starts, so the filesystem service fails and you have not even an sshd to login over the network. This is why I don't use the mountpoint settings in ZFS. I se

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Cyril Plisko wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: On the read-only front: wouldn't it be cool to *not* run zfs sends explicitly but have: .zfs/send/ .zfs/sendr/- give you the same data automagically? On th

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Darren J Moffat
James Lever wrote: Hi Darryn, On 30/07/2009, at 6:33 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: That already works if you have the snapshot delegation as that user. It even works over NFS and CIFS. Can you give us an example of how to correctly get this working? On the host that has the ZFS datasets (ie

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Ross wrote: > Without spare drive bays I don't think you're going to find one solution that > works for x4500 and x4540 servers.  However, are these servers physically > close together?  Have you considered running the slog devices externally? It appears as thoug

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread James Lever
Hi Darryn, On 30/07/2009, at 6:33 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: That already works if you have the snapshot delegation as that user. It even works over NFS and CIFS. Can you give us an example of how to correctly get this working? I've read through the manpage but have not managed to get the

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Whoah! Seriously? When did that get added and how did I miss it? That is absolutely superb! And an even stronger case for mkdir creating filesystems. A filesystem per user that they can snapshot at will o_0 Ok, it'll need some automated pruning of old snapshots, but even so, that has so

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Ross
Without spare drive bays I don't think you're going to find one solution that works for x4500 and x4540 servers. However, are these servers physically close together? Have you considered running the slog devices externally? One possible choice may be to run something like the Supermicro SC216

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Darren J Moffat
Cyril Plisko wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: On the read-only front: wouldn't it be cool to *not* run zfs sends explicitly but have: .zfs/send/ .zfs/sendr/- give you the same data automagically? On the read-write front: wouldn't it

Re: [zfs-discuss] shrinking a zpool - roadmap

2009-07-30 Thread Ralf Gans
Hello there, I'm working for a bigger customer in germany. The customer ist some thousend TB big. The information that the zpool shrink feature will not be implemented soon is no problem, we just keep using Veritas Storage Foundation. Shirinking a pool is not the only problem with ZFS, try setti

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Cyril Plisko
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: > Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: >> >> On the read-only front: wouldn't it be cool to *not* run zfs sends >> explicitly but have: >>    .zfs/send/ >>    .zfs/sendr/- >> give you the same data automagically? >> On the read-write front: wouldn't it

Re: [zfs-discuss] feature proposal

2009-07-30 Thread Darren J Moffat
Roman V Shaposhnik wrote: On the read-only front: wouldn't it be cool to *not* run zfs sends explicitly but have: .zfs/send/ .zfs/sendr/- give you the same data automagically? On the read-write front: wouldn't it be cool to be able to snapshot things by: $ mkdir .zfs/snapshot/ T

Re: [zfs-discuss] Install and boot from USB stick?

2009-07-30 Thread Thomas Nau
Hi > Ive tried to find any hard information on how to install, and boot, > opensolaris from a USB stick. Ive seen a few people written a few sucessfull > stories about this, but I cant seem to get it to work. > > The procedure: > Boot from LiveCD, insert USB drive, find it using `format', start

Re: [zfs-discuss] [n/zfs-discuss] Strange speeds with x4500, Solaris 10 10/08

2009-07-30 Thread Markus Kovero
btw, there's coming new Intel X25-M (G2) next month that will offer better random read/writes than E-series and seriously cheap pricetag, worth for a try I'd say. Yours Markus Kovero -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.o