Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-22 Thread Erik Trimble
Edward wrote: > So does that mean ZFS is not for consumer computer? > If ZFS require 4GB of Ram for operation, that means i will need 8GB+ Ram if > i were to use Photoshop or any other memory intensive application? > > No. It works fine on desktops - I'm writing this on an older Athlon64 wit

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-22 Thread James C. McPherson
Edward wrote: > So does that mean ZFS is not for consumer computer? Not at all. "Consumer" computers are plenty powerful enough to use ZFS with. > If ZFS require 4GB of Ram for operation, that means i will > need 8GB+ Ram if i were to use Photoshop or any other memory > intensive application?

Re: [zfs-discuss] memory hog

2008-06-22 Thread Edward
So does that mean ZFS is not for consumer computer? If ZFS require 4GB of Ram for operation, that means i will need 8GB+ Ram if i were to use Photoshop or any other memory intensive application? And it seems ZFS memory usage scales with the amount of HDD space? This message posted from opens

Re: [zfs-discuss] SMC Webconsole 3.1 and ZFS Administration 1.0 - stacktraces in snv_b89

2008-06-22 Thread Jean-Paul Rivet
Just a note: Setting compression to gzip on a zpool breaks the GUI with a similar type of error - Application Error com.iplanet.jato.NavigationException: Exception encountered during forward Root cause = [java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No enum const class com.sun.zfs.common.model.Compressi

Re: [zfs-discuss] raid card vs zfs

2008-06-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, kevin williams wrote: > > The article says that ZFS eliminates the need for a RAID card and is > faster because the striping is running on the main cpu rather than > an old chipset on a card. My question is, is this true? Can I Ditto what the other guys said. Since ZFS ma

Re: [zfs-discuss] CIFS HA service with solaris 10 and SC 3.2

2008-06-22 Thread Boyd Adamson
Marcelo Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello all, > > [..] > > 1) What the difference between the smb server in solaris/opensolaris, > and the "new" project CIFS? What you refer to as the "smb server in solaris/opensolaris" is in fact Samba, which sits on top of a plain unix system. This ha

Re: [zfs-discuss] raid card vs zfs

2008-06-22 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 11:13:49AM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The cache may give RAID cards an edge, but ZFS gives near platter speeds for > its various configurations. The Thumper is a perfect example of a ZFS > appliance. I get very acceptable performance out of my Sun Ultra-80 wit

Re: [zfs-discuss] raid card vs zfs

2008-06-22 Thread Tim
It is indeed true and yoi can. On 6/22/08, kevin williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > digg linked to an article related to the apple port of ZFS > (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_1125?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhss). > I dont have a mac but was interested in ZFS. > > Th

Re: [zfs-discuss] raid card vs zfs

2008-06-22 Thread James C. McPherson
kevin williams wrote: > digg linked to an article related to the apple port of ZFS > (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_1125?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhss). > I dont have a mac but was interested in ZFS. > > The article says that ZFS eliminates the need for a RAID card and is

Re: [zfs-discuss] raid card vs zfs

2008-06-22 Thread ian
kevin williams writes: > digg linked to an article related to the apple port of ZFS > (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_1125?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhss). > I dont have a mac but was interested in ZFS. > > The article says that ZFS eliminates the need for a RAID car

[zfs-discuss] raid card vs zfs

2008-06-22 Thread kevin williams
digg linked to an article related to the apple port of ZFS (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/print_1125?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhss). I dont have a mac but was interested in ZFS. The article says that ZFS eliminates the need for a RAID card and is faster because the stripin

Re: [zfs-discuss] mv between ZFSs on same zpool

2008-06-22 Thread Yaniv Aknin
Thanks for the reference. I read that thread to the end, and saw there are some complex considerations regarding changing st_dev on an open file, but no decision. Despite this complexity, I think the situation is quite brain damanged - I'm moving large files between ZFSs all the time, otherwise

Re: [zfs-discuss] CIFS HA service with solaris 10 and SC 3.2

2008-06-22 Thread Tim
Samba cifs has been in opensolaris from day1. No, it cannot be used to meet sun's end goal which is cifs INTEGRATION with the core kernel. Sun cifs supports windows acl's from the kernel up. Samba does not. On 6/22/08, Marcelo Leal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all, > i would like to c

Re: [zfs-discuss] CIFS HA service with solaris 10 and SC 3.2

2008-06-22 Thread Marcelo Leal
Hello all, i would like to continue with this topic, and after doing some "research" about the topic, i have some (many) doubts, and maybe we could use this thread to give some responses to me and other users that can have the same questions... First, sorry to "CC" to many forums, but i think i

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re-2: What is this, who is doing it, and how do I get you to stop?

2008-06-22 Thread Volker A. Brandt
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ..sorry, there was a misconfiguration in our email-system. I've fixed it in > this moment... > We apologize for any problems you had > > Andreas Gaida Wow, that was fast! And on a Sunday evening, too... So, everything is fixed, and we are all happy now :-) Regards -

Re: [zfs-discuss] mv between ZFSs on same zpool

2008-06-22 Thread Richard Elling
Yaniv Aknin wrote: > Hi, > > Obviously, moving ('renaming') files between ZFSs on the same zpools is just > like a move between any other two filesystems, requiring full copy of the > data and deletion of the old file. > > I was wondering if there is (and why there isn't) an optimization inside Z

Re: [zfs-discuss] getting inodeno for zfs from vnode in vfs kernel

2008-06-22 Thread Anton B. Rang
If you really need the inode number, you should use the semi-public interface to retrieve it and call VOP_GETATTR. This is what the rest of the kernel does when it needs attributes of a vnode. See for example http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/uts/common/syscall/stat

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool "i/o error"

2008-06-22 Thread Tomas Ă–gren
On 21 June, 2008 - Victor Pajor sent me these 0,9K bytes: > Another thing > > config: > > zfs FAULTED corrupted data > raidz1ONLINE > c1t1d0 ONLINE > c7t0d0 UNAVAIL corrupted data > c7t1d0 UNAVAIL corrupted data > > c70d

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is this, who is doing it, and how do I get you to stop?

2008-06-22 Thread Volker A. Brandt
> > Everyone who post gets this autoreply. > > So what do the rest of you do? Ignore it? I for one do ignore it. :-) > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > These people are not spoofing your domain, they set a "From:" header > > with no "@domain". Many MTAs append the local domain in this case.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS-Performance: Raid-Z vs. Raid5/6 vs. mirrored

2008-06-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, Will Murnane wrote: > >> Perhaps the solution is to install more RAM in the system so that the >> stripe is fully cached and ZFS does not need to go back to disk prior >> to writing an update. > I don't think the problem is that the stripe is falling out of cache, > but that it

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is this, who is doing it, and how do I get you to stop?

2008-06-22 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 06:11:21PM +0200, Volker A. Brandt wrote: > > Everyone who post gets this autoreply. So what do the rest of you do? Ignore it? > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > These people are not spoofing your domain, they set a "From:" header > with no "@domain". Many MTAs append the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS-Performance: Raid-Z vs. Raid5/6 vs. mirrored

2008-06-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:37:34AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: >> >> Perhaps the solution is to install more RAM in the system so that the >> stripe is fully cached and ZFS does not need to go back to disk prior >> to writing an update. The need to

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is this, who is doing it, and how do I get you to stop?

2008-06-22 Thread Volker A. Brandt
Hello Brian! > Every time I post to this list, I get an AUTOREPLY from somebody who if > you ask me is up to no good, otherwise they would set a proper From: address > instead of spoofing my domain. Everyone who post gets this autoreply. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] These people are not spoofing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS-Performance: Raid-Z vs. Raid5/6 vs. mirrored

2008-06-22 Thread Will Murnane
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 15:37, Bob Friesenhahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keep in mind that ZFS checksums all data, the checksum is stored in a > different block than the data, and that if ZFS were to checksum on the > stripe segment level, a lot more checksums would need to be stored. > All thes

[zfs-discuss] What is this, who is doing it, and how do I get you to stop?

2008-06-22 Thread Brian Hechinger
Every time I post to this list, I get an AUTOREPLY from somebody who if you ask me is up to no good, otherwise they would set a proper From: address instead of spoofing my domain. > Received: from mail01.csw-datensysteme.de ([62.153.225.98]) > by wiggum.4amlunch.net > (Sun Java(tm) System Messag

Re: [zfs-discuss] "zpool create" behaviour

2008-06-22 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Cesare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hy, > > I'm facing to a problem where I configure and create a zpool on my > test bed. The hardware is: T-5120 with Solaris10 with latest patch and > Clariion CX3 attached by 2 HBA. In this type of configuration every > LUN export

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS-Performance: Raid-Z vs. Raid5/6 vs. mirrored

2008-06-22 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 10:37:34AM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > Perhaps the solution is to install more RAM in the system so that the > stripe is fully cached and ZFS does not need to go back to disk prior > to writing an update. The need to read prior to write is clearly what > kills ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS-Performance: Raid-Z vs. Raid5/6 vs. mirrored

2008-06-22 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008, Ralf Bertling wrote: > > Now lets see if this really has to be this way (this implies no, doesn't it > ;-) > When reading small blocks of data (as opposed to streams discussed earlier) > the requested data resides on a single disk and thus reading it does not > require to se

[zfs-discuss] "zpool create" behaviour

2008-06-22 Thread Cesare
Hy, I'm facing to a problem where I configure and create a zpool on my test bed. The hardware is: T-5120 with Solaris10 with latest patch and Clariion CX3 attached by 2 HBA. In this type of configuration every LUN exported by Clariion is viewed 4 times by operating system. If I configure the late

[zfs-discuss] ZFS-Performance: Raid-Z vs. Raid5/6 vs. mirrored

2008-06-22 Thread Ralf Bertling
Hi list, as this matter pops up every now and then in posts on this list I just want to clarify that the real performance of RaidZ (in its current implementation) is NOT anything that follows from raidz-style data efficient redundancy or the copy-on-write design used in ZFS. In a M-Way mir