Re: [zfs-discuss] 3510 JBOD ZFS vs 3510 HW RAID

2006-07-31 Thread Frank Cusack
On July 31, 2006 11:32:15 PM -0400 Torrey McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're comparing apples to a crate of apples. A more useful comparison would be something along the lines a single R0 LUN on a 3510 with controller to a single 3510-JBOD with ZFS across all the drives. I think the

Re: Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Joe Little
On 7/31/06, Dale Ghent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:07 PM, eric kustarz wrote: > > The 2.6.x Linux client is much nicer... one thing fixed was the > client doing too many commits (which translates to fsyncs on the > server). I would still recommend the Solaris client but i'm

RE: [zfs-discuss] 3510 JBOD ZFS vs 3510 HW RAID

2006-07-31 Thread Luke Lonergan
Torrey, > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 8:32 PM > > You might want to check the specs of the the 3510. In some > configs you > only get 2 ports. However, in others you can get 8. Really? 8 active Fibre Channel por

Re: [zfs-discuss] 3510 JBOD ZFS vs 3510 HW RAID

2006-07-31 Thread Torrey McMahon
Luke Lonergan wrote: Torrey, On 7/28/06 10:11 AM, "Torrey McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That said a 3510 with a raid controller is going to blow the door, drive brackets, and skin off a JBOD in raw performance. I'm pretty certain this is not the case. If you need sequential ba

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 ZFS Update

2006-07-31 Thread George Wilson
Grant, Expect patches late September or so. Once available I'll post the patch information. Thanks, George grant beattie wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:51:09AM -0400, George Wilson wrote: We have putback a significant number of fixes and features from OpenSolaris into what will become S

Re: [zfs-discuss] Does ZFS need Autodefrag like other File Systems

2006-07-31 Thread Yi-Feng Adam Zhang
I try to address it myself first. I think most of File Systems need this Autodefrag function as the file data is distributed at different unconsecutive blocks after the file systems has been used for a long time. Though ZFS is based on Transaction and Copy-On-Write, some modifications to an ex

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 ZFS Update

2006-07-31 Thread grant beattie
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 11:51:09AM -0400, George Wilson wrote: > We have putback a significant number of fixes and features from > OpenSolaris into what will become Solaris 10 11/06. For reference here's > the list: George, this is great! any idea when these will be available as patches for s1

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool panic

2006-07-31 Thread Eric Schrock
For those within Sun (particularly the SPA experts), this core is available at: /net/mdb.eng/cores/eschrock/christophe_kalt/*.0 - Eric On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 04:04:43PM -0400, Christophe Kalt wrote: > On Jul 31, Bill Moore wrote: > | Interesting. When you do the import, try doing this: > | >

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:07 PM, eric kustarz wrote: The 2.6.x Linux client is much nicer... one thing fixed was the client doing too many commits (which translates to fsyncs on the server). I would still recommend the Solaris client but i'm sure that's no surprise. But if you'r'e stuck on

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 7/31/06, Bev Crair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, note the limitations on usage: 4 'user-data file systems'... B. And last I looked it was x86-only. Mike -- Mike Gerdts http://mgerdts.blogspot.com/ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread eric kustarz
Rich Teer wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dale Ghent wrote: So what does this exercise leave me thinking? Is Linux 2.4.x really screwed up in NFS-land? This Solaris NFS replaces a Linux-based NFS server that the Linux has had, uhhmmm (struggling to be nice), iffy NFS for ages. The 2.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jul 31, 2006, at 7:30 PM, Rich Teer wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dale Ghent wrote: So what does this exercise leave me thinking? Is Linux 2.4.x really screwed up in NFS-land? This Solaris NFS replaces a Linux-based NFS server that the Linux has had, uhhmmm (struggling to be nice), iffy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Rich Teer
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Dale Ghent wrote: > So what does this exercise leave me thinking? Is Linux 2.4.x really screwed up > in NFS-land? This Solaris NFS replaces a Linux-based NFS server that the Linux has had, uhhmmm (struggling to be nice), iffy NFS for ages. -- Rich Teer, SCNA, SCSA, OpenSola

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jul 31, 2006, at 2:17 PM, Jan Schaumann wrote: Hello all, After setting up a Solaris 10 machine with ZFS as the new NFS server, I'm stumped by some serious performance problems. Here are the (admittedly long) details (also noted at http://www.netmeister.org/blog/): The machine in question

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Bill Moore
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 06:08:04PM -0400, Jan Schaumann wrote: > # echo '::offsetof vdev_t vdev_nowritecache' | mdb -k > offsetof (vdev_t, vdev_nowritecache) = 0x4c0 Ok, then try this: echo '::spa -v' | mdb -k | awk '/dev.dsk/{print $1"+4c0/W1"}' | mdb -kw --Bill ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Jan Schaumann
Bill Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm. It should have printed something like this: > > 857a0a60 vdev_nowritecache = 0 (B_FALSE) > > I think there might be a problem with the CTF data (debugging info) > in U2. First, check /etc/release and make sure it says something like > "

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Bill Moore
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 03:59:23PM -0400, Jan Schaumann wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. However, I'm not sure if the above pipeline > is correct: > > 2# !! | awk '/dev.dsk/{print $1"::print -a vdev_t vdev_nowritecache"}' > 857a0580::print -a vdev_t vdev_nowritecache > 3# !! | mdb -k >

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool panic

2006-07-31 Thread Christophe Kalt
On Jul 31, Bill Moore wrote: | Interesting. When you do the import, try doing this: | | zpool import -o ro yourpool | | And see if that fares any better. If it works, could you send the | output of "zpool status -v"? Also, how big is the pool in question? Same panic. It's a 250GB drive, s

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Jan Schaumann
Bill Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To test this theory, run this command on your NFS server (as root): > > echo '::spa -v' | mdb -k | \ > awk '/dev.dsk/{print $1"::print -a vdev_t vdev_nowritecache"}' | \ > mdb -k | awk '{print $1"/W1"}' | mdb -kw Thanks for the suggestio

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Bev Crair
However, note the limitations on usage: 4 'user-data file systems'... B. Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Richard, Monday, July 31, 2006, 6:29:03 PM, you wrote: RE> Malahat Qureshi wrote: Is any one have a comparison between zfs vs. vxfs, I'm working on a presentation for m

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Richard Elling
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Richard, Monday, July 31, 2006, 6:29:03 PM, you wrote: RE> Malahat Qureshi wrote: Is any one have a comparison between zfs vs. vxfs, I'm working on a presentation for my management on this --- RE> In management speak, this is easy. VxFS >> $0. ZFS priceless.

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Monday, July 31, 2006, 6:29:03 PM, you wrote: RE> Malahat Qureshi wrote: >> Is any one have a comparison between zfs vs. vxfs, I'm working on >> a presentation for my management on this --- RE> In management speak, this is easy. VxFS >> $0. ZFS priceless. :-) Well, it's free

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Bill Moore
On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 02:17:00PM -0400, Jan Schaumann wrote: > Is there anybody here who's using ZFS on Apple XRaids and serving them > via NFS? Does anybody have any other ideas what I could do to solve > this? (I have, in the mean time, converted the XRaid to plain old UFS, > and performance

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jul 30, 2006, at 23:44, Malahat Qureshi wrote: Is any one have a comparison between zfs vs. vxfs, I'm working on a presentation for my management on this --- That can be a tough question to answer depending on what you're looking for .. you could take the feature comparison approach like

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool panic

2006-07-31 Thread Bill Moore
Interesting. When you do the import, try doing this: zpool import -o ro yourpool And see if that fares any better. If it works, could you send the output of "zpool status -v"? Also, how big is the pool in question? Either access to the machine, or a way to copy the crash dump would be usef

[zfs-discuss] ZFS vs. Apple XRaid

2006-07-31 Thread Jan Schaumann
Hello all, After setting up a Solaris 10 machine with ZFS as the new NFS server, I'm stumped by some serious performance problems. Here are the (admittedly long) details (also noted at http://www.netmeister.org/blog/): The machine in question is a dual-amd64 box with 2GB RAM and two broadcom gig

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 ZFS Update

2006-07-31 Thread George Wilson
I forgot to highlight that RAIDZ2 (a.k.a RAID-6) is also in this wad: 6417978 double parity RAID-Z a.k.a. RAID6 Thanks, George George Wilson wrote: We have putback a significant number of fixes and features from OpenSolaris into what will become Solaris 10 11/06. For reference here's the list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 ZFS Update

2006-07-31 Thread George Wilson
Rainer, This will hopefully go into build 06 of s10u3. It's on my list... :-) Thanks, George Rainer Orth wrote: George Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: We have putback a significant number of fixes and features from OpenSolaris into what will become Solaris 10 11/06. For reference here's

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Malahat Qureshi Ph.D. (MIS)
On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Malahat Qureshi wrote:cute ):- but I need a techy answer becase unfortunately my mgmt is technical ):- On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:29 AM, Richard Elling wrote:Malahat Qureshi wrote: Is any one have a comparison between zfs vs. vxfs, I'm working on a presentation for my mana

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 ZFS Update

2006-07-31 Thread Rainer Orth
George Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We have putback a significant number of fixes and features from > OpenSolaris into what will become Solaris 10 11/06. For reference here's > the list: That's great news, thanks. > Bug Fixes: I notice this one 6405330 swap on zvol isn't added during

Re: [zfs-discuss] LSI RAID Configuration Steps on T2000

2006-07-31 Thread Malahat Qureshi
Mark & James Thas a Lot, James your link help me to complete the proces -- thanks again -- On Jul 31, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Mark Danico wrote:Malahat,For the boot drive you'll want to read the product notes document also since there are some specialinstructions that may need to be followed.http://www.s

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs vs. vxfs

2006-07-31 Thread Richard Elling
Malahat Qureshi wrote: Is any one have a comparison between zfs vs. vxfs, I'm working on a presentation for my management on this --- In management speak, this is easy. VxFS >> $0. ZFS priceless. :-) -- richard ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-di

[zfs-discuss] zpool panic

2006-07-31 Thread Christophe Kalt
Feeling a bit brave (i guess), i upgraded one of our systems to Solaris 10/u2 (from u1), and moved quite a bit of data to zfs. This was 4 days ago. Found the system in a reboot loop this morning. Eventually got the system to boot (by wiping /etc/zfs/zpool.cache), but one of the pools causes the

[zfs-discuss] Solaris 10 ZFS Update

2006-07-31 Thread George Wilson
We have putback a significant number of fixes and features from OpenSolaris into what will become Solaris 10 11/06. For reference here's the list: Features: PSARC 2006/223 ZFS Hot Spares 6405966 Hot Spare support in ZFS PSARC 2006/303 ZFS Clone Promotion 6276916 support for "clone swap" PSARC 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] LSI RAID Configuration Steps on T2000

2006-07-31 Thread Mark Danico
Malahat, For the boot drive you'll want to read the product notes document also since there are some special instructions that may need to be followed. http://www.sun.com/products-n-solutions/hardware/docs/Servers/coolthreads/t2000/index.html That document also covers some patches that are req

[zfs-discuss] Does ZFS need Autodefrag like other File Systems

2006-07-31 Thread Yi-Feng Adam Zhang
Hi all, A simple question: does ZFS need Autodefrag like other File Systems? Regards, Adam ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss