Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

cool!

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

> I also fixed the stacking_above_AND_below. NewCM will have stellar > support for diacritics stacking 😁 > Which is very useful for languages like Vietnamese. > A.S. True but not only. More languages need stacking. Such as Hebrew or even Greek for academic work. On 10/25/21 8:59 PM, Michael Max

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

> I also fixed the stacking_above_AND_below. NewCM will have stellar > support for diacritics stacking 😁 Which is very useful for languages like Vietnamese.A.S. --Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

> I also fixed the stacking_above_AND_below. NewCM will have stellar > support for diacritics stacking 😁 You probably know this, but 'stacked diacritics' refers to the stacking of diacritics above each other. Maybe also to one diacritic above and one below the base char, but I've only heard i

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

The problem has been solved (it seems). The problem was not the Class value as I hand edited the ttx file, reconstructed the otf but again did not work. I deleted the anchors of this glyph, recreated them (exactly the same) and then as a miracle everything worked. This explains why nobody answe

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

Thank you Jonathan so much. I do not really care about the dialogs of ff since I can always edit the sfd file for such simple things with vi. Now that I know the difference even if I fail, I have something to take to the ff list 😁 best, Antonis. On 23/10/21 23:11, Jonathan Kew wrote:

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

On 23/10/2021 16:48, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: Thanks for the answer. Yes acute works. But where do you see the difference? I am looking the dialogs of fontforge and can not locate the difference. I have more trouble with diacritics stacking especially when stacking above AND below. x́ (x+

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

Thanks for the answer. Yes acute works. But where do you see the difference? I am looking the dialogs of fontforge and can not locate the difference. I have more trouble with diacritics stacking especially when stacking above AND below. x́ (x+ U+0301) works x̖ (x + U+0316) works as well, but x̖́

Re: [XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

On 23/10/2021 14:37, Antonis Tsolomitis wrote: It is a long time now that NewComputerModern has build-in information for diacritics stacking. I have heard  that xetex supports this but I can not make it work. The font is developed with fontforge and as you can see in the attached screenshot, f

[XeTeX] diacritics stacking using anchor points

It is a long time now that NewComputerModern has build-in information for diacritics stacking. I have heard  that xetex supports this but I can not make it work. The font is developed with fontforge and as you can see in the attached screenshot, fontforge shows stacking working. However xelatex j

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in colour

Ross Moore wrote: > In the experimental version of pdfTeX with support for Tagged PDF, we > need a similar kind of variant to \pdfliteral . It is called > 'enclose'. > [...] > It would be nice if any extension to literal specials in xdvipdfmx > used the same keywords for similar functionalit

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 08:45:24AM +0200, Tobias Schoel wrote: > > > On 02.12.2011 21:48, Ross Moore wrote: > >Hi Tobias, > > > > > >On 03/12/2011, at 6:06, Tobias Schoel wrote: > > > >>As a teacher I can think of some more Applications. Of course, these are > >>pedagogical: > >> > >>Teaching s

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On 02.12.2011 21:48, Ross Moore wrote: Hi Tobias, On 03/12/2011, at 6:06, Tobias Schoel wrote: As a teacher I can think of some more Applications. Of course, these are pedagogical: Teaching scripts to beginners (learning to write a primary school, learning to write in a different script

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Hi Tobias, On 03/12/2011, at 6:06, Tobias Schoel wrote: > As a teacher I can think of some more Applications. Of course, these are > pedagogical: > > Teaching scripts to beginners (learning to write a primary school, learning > to write in a different script when learning another language (o

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

As a teacher I can think of some more Applications. Of course, these are pedagogical: Teaching scripts to beginners (learning to write a primary school, learning to write in a different script when learning another language (or even in the same language: Mongol?): You might want to color sin

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Thanks, Khaled. I realize the limitations etc.--just thought I'd note that these things are in some measure possible, if one wishes to implement them (not that one 'should', necessarily). In particular with regards to some recent posts, I seem to remember that glyph sub-definition was not limited

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

OpenType has ligature caret info (in GDEF table) but is less flexible than what Graphite offers (only horizontal position is provided) and very few fonts, if any, have it. Regards, Khaled On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 01:56:45PM -0500, Karljurgen Feuerherm wrote: > I seem to recall from the days when

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > cursive-type font (or even for italics). And it would most certainly > not work for something like Korean syllables. It appears that even a correctly filled-in ligature carets table only specifies horizontal positions (or, only vertical positions for

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Khaled Hosny writes: > Not entirely: > http://robert.ocallahan.org/2006/10/partial-ligatures_24.html The page reads: > Basically it's a hack --- a ligature with N characters is divided into N > vertical strips of equal width which I pretend are "pseudocharacters" While that could work for a sa

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 09:35:29AM -0500, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > coloring components of a precomposed ligature. Clearly, that is > impossible. Not entirely: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2006/10/partial-ligatures_24.html (OK, it is a hack, but far from being "impossible")

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 03:41:09PM +, Philip TAYLOR wrote: > On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > >>>Suppose someone types > >>> > >>>f\textcolor{red}{f} > >> > >>In this case FireFox colourises half of resulting ff ligatures (1/3 in > >>ffi etc), > > And if you look at the rendere

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

I seem to recall from the days when I was doing demos/mock-ups for the cuneiform encoding proposal that SIL's graphite/WorldPad combo allowed one to do things of this sort; it involved specifying sub-areas in special font tables, which the software of course had to know about. Not sure whether tha

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

It's not given that that's the only conceivable application. But even if it is, that's plenty useful in and of itself. K > But I am willing to submit that this is a difficult task, and probably > one of limited importance -- I can see it being useful only for people > who for some reason need th

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote: Suppose someone types f\textcolor{red}{f} In this case FireFox colourises half of resulting ff ligatures (1/3 in ffi etc), And if you look at the rendered output, is there a single ff ligature-digraph glyph, or two f glyphs kerned ? Philip Taylor

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Thu, 1 Dec 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > Suppose someone types > > > >f\textcolor{red}{f} > > In this case FireFox colourises half of resulting ff ligatures (1/3 in > ffi etc), I'm not sure how this is done or if it is possible with PDF at I don't think XeTeX should attempt to do that. --

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 05:09:09PM -0600, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > processed by the layout engine, which would require keeping account of > > character to glyph mapping (which is doable, all text editing GUI's have > > to do it). > > It will, o

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Matthew Skala writes: > Demonstration attached. Of course, the correct behavior in this case is that of Firefox: if I type: 김 I get the precomposed Korean glyph all in black. Why? Because in the font (I don't have Jieubsida Dodum), the substitution rules tell us to re

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > In the Korean fonts I'm currently working on, some syllables are converted > to single precomposed glyphs by ligature substitution, and others are > built up by overlaying zero-width glyphs, and the difference between the I was interested to t

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Khaled Hosny wrote: > processed by the layout engine, which would require keeping account of > character to glyph mapping (which is doable, all text editing GUI's have > to do it). It will, of course, have to do something sensible (even if that just means complain) should the

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 09:47:31PM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Hi Khaled, > > I am afraid you are completely misconceived about what the subject matter is > here. > 1) adding a diacritic mark(glyph) is composing a a glyph, You are able > to output it > on its own. > >

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:17:07PM -0500, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > Khaled Hosny writes: > > > use/build an OpenType font with proper combining > > mark positioning and apply the colors to individual glyphs à la what > > FireFox/LuaTeX and may be many other does. > > What I get out of this comme

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Hi Khaled, I am afraid you are completely misconceived about what the subject matter is here. 1) adding a diacritic mark(glyph) is composing a a glyph, You are able to output it on its own. 2) There is a difference between the glyph ä and adding the diactirc mark of

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Hi Heiko, and others On 30/11/2011, at 8:56 PM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > The PDF stuff: > > % without color: > 0 -99.63 Td[<0024>]TJ > 54.19 15.57 Td[<0301>]TJ > > % with color: > -54.19 -115.2 Td[<0024>]TJ > ET 1 0 0 RG 1 0 0 rg BT /F1 99.626 Tf > 59.3 -278.84 Td[<0301>]TJ > > % with c

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Khaled Hosny writes: > use/build an OpenType font with proper combining > mark positioning and apply the colors to individual glyphs à la what > FireFox/LuaTeX and may be many other does. What I get out of this comment and the post by Heiko Oberdiek is that this should be possible to accomplish i

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:10:11AM +0100, Keith J. Schultz wrote: > Hi All, > > I jump back in. I will cite anybody because what has been said is correct. > > But, > > 1) trying to compare a browser, XeTex engine and LuaTeX will not help > as they have different methods of compo

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Hi All, I jump back in. I will cite anybody because what has been said is correct. But, 1) trying to compare a browser, XeTex engine and LuaTeX will not help as they have different methods of composing their output. That is how they compose and position their gly

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 05:10:07AM +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: > > A\textcolor{red}{0308}\\ % (3) > It seems Charis SIL composes accented glyphs, try Gentium Basic instead > (GenBasR.ttf). Thanks, the result is correct, the box contents after luacolor's processing is: \EU2/GentiumBasic

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 05:10:07AM +0200, Khaled Hosny wrote: > It seems Charis SIL composes accented glyphs, After closer look, this is not entirely true; Charis SIL has AAT tables that, among other things, compose accented glyphs but the OpenType tables do mark positioning. LuaTeX shouldn't be e

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:09:47AM +0100, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:58:23AM +1100, Ross Moore wrote: > > > On 30/11/2011, at 10:32 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > > > > or > > > 00c4\\ > > > A0308\\ > > > A\textcolor{red}{0308} > > > > > > As you can see, th

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Heiko Oberdiek writes: >> * LuaTeX: "A" + U+0308 gets combined to one glyph U+00C4, the color >> attribute of the diaeresis vanishes and the result is black (3). On my machine, in LuaTeX (3) results in a correctly positioned *red* diaeresis over a black A. (4) results in a red diaeresis with inc

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:58:23AM +1100, Ross Moore wrote: > On 30/11/2011, at 10:32 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > > or > > 00c4\\ > > A0308\\ > > A\textcolor{red}{0308} > > > > As you can see, this problem is not related to color, > > both XeTeX and LuaTeX fail: > > With this f

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color

Hi Ross, On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:23:54AM +1100, Ross Moore wrote: > Hi Heiko, > > On 29/11/2011, at 9:29 AM, Heiko Oberdiek wrote: > > > The same also works in XeLaTeX: > > > > \documentclass{minimal} > > \usepackage{fontspec} > > \usepackage{color} > > \pagestyle{empty} > > > > \begin{doc

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

Aleksandr Andreev wrote: Mezenets Unicode is a font I'm developing for Znamenny neumatic notation Oohhh, this is exciting : "[p]nuematic notation" as in [p]neumes and as in [p]neumatic music ? Will this be a first for TeX, if you succeed ? Philip Taylor --

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

Ross Moore writes: >> Would you be so kind as to post the PDF from this? And where does one obtain >> the font MezenetsUnicode ? Mezenets Unicode is a font I'm developing for Znamenny neumatic notation and it is available here: http://www.ponomar.net/files/mezen_uni.ttf Attempting to encode Zna

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 07:57:13AM +1100, Ross Moore wrote: > Hi Aleks, > > On 29/11/2011, at 6:18 AM, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > > > Jonathan Kew writes: > > > >>> Making this work in xetex would require a different approach to > >>> implementing color. > > > > I have been able to get it to w

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 07:57:13AM +1100, Ross Moore wrote: > Hi Aleks, > > On 29/11/2011, at 6:18 AM, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > > > Jonathan Kew writes: > > > >>> Making this work in xetex would require a different approach to > >>> implementing color. > > > > I have been able to get it to

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > Jonathan Kew writes: > > >> Making this work in xetex would require a different approach to > >> implementing color. > > I have been able to get it to work (the base glyph in black and the > "diacritic" in red) in LuaTeX using

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

Hi Aleks, On 29/11/2011, at 6:18 AM, Aleksandr Andreev wrote: > Jonathan Kew writes: > >>> Making this work in xetex would require a different approach to >>> implementing color. > > I have been able to get it to work (the base glyph in black and the > "diacritic" in red) in LuaTeX using the l

[XeTeX] Diacritics in color (was Re: XETEX cannot access OpenType features in PUA?)

Jonathan Kew writes: >> Making this work in xetex would require a different approach to implementing >> color. I have been able to get it to work (the base glyph in black and the "diacritic" in red) in LuaTeX using the luacolor package. Here's a minimal example: \documentclass{minimal} \usepac

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

José Carlos Santos wrote: Your suggestion works. Thank you very much. You're welcome --- but if you can use another font, that would be better. Also, I used the simple acute accent, not the combining acute accent, which you correctly noted is Ux0301. The code I sent was from an old post

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 04-05-2010 8:39, Ulrike Fischer wrote: Your suggestion works. Thank you very much. Then this should work too: (the first will naturally redefine \' for all fonts, but as you can see you can use another command if you want): \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont{Arial} \

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Am Mon, 03 May 2010 23:52:42 +0100 schrieb José Carlos Santos: > Your suggestion works. Thank you very much. Then this should work too: (the first will naturally redefine \' for all fonts, but as you can see you can use another command if you want): \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Ok, ok, José Carlos. I can tell you that works for me, with my configuration, but I change the font, because I haven't DTLUnicoST. I write in TexWorks: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{Gentium} \begin{document} ń or \'{n} \end{document} Run XeLaTe

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

http://unicode.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode 2010/5/4 José Carlos Santos > On 03-05-2010 22:43, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: > > ... >> >> The definition of \overstrike can be modified to suit your needs. The >> \char"00B4 is the acute accent as U

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 22:41, Ross Moore wrote: Thanks. Now I know that, yes, DTLUnicoST has an acute accent; its position is 0301. But I think that in TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX this shouldn't be a problem if you are using this |[Mapping=tex-text] But I am using it. I repeat: if I compile this file: \docum

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 22:43, Fr. Michael Gilmary wrote: I repeat: if I compile this file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{DTLUnicoST} \begin{document} ń \end{document} I get nothing. Try this: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont[Mapp

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

José Carlos Santos wrote: I repeat: if I compile this file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{DTLUnicoST} \begin{document} ń \end{document} I get nothing. Hi José: Try this: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont[Mapping=tex

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Hello José, On 04/05/2010, at 7:00 AM, José Carlos Santos wrote: Thanks. Now I know that, yes, DTLUnicoST has an acute accent; its position is 0301. But I think that in TeX, LaTeX, XeTeX this shouldn't be a problem if you are using this |[Mapping=tex-text] But I am using it. I repeat:

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 19:30, Juan Francisco Fraile Vicente wrote: You can find all the characters included in a font in the «character map». In Linux, type in the terminal 'charmap'. If you are in Windows, I think it is in 'Accesories→System Tools→Character Map'. In the character map you can find precom

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

You can find all the characters included in a font in the «character map». In Linux, type in the terminal 'charmap'. If you are in Windows, I think it is in 'Accesories→System Tools→Character Map'. In the character map you can find precombined characters and combinable diacritical marks. If you wan

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 15:43, Ulrike Fischer wrote: Are you able to get the accent in this font e.g. in Word or a similar application? No. I tried it with Word and also with Wordpad, but all I got was "´n". But you get an accent. The main questions are is this accent in the font, and if yes where? Co

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Am 03.05.2010 um 16:43 schrieb Ulrike Fischer: > Am Mon, 03 May 2010 15:32:27 +0100 schrieb José Carlos Santos: > >>> Are you able to get the accent in this font e.g. in Word or a >>> similar application? >> >> No. I tried it with Word and also with Wordpad, but all I got was "´n". > > But you

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Am Mon, 03 May 2010 15:32:27 +0100 schrieb José Carlos Santos: >> Are you able to get the accent in this font e.g. in Word or a >> similar application? > > No. I tried it with Word and also with Wordpad, but all I got was "´n". But you get an accent. The main questions are is this accent in the

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 14:48, Ulrike Fischer wrote: Try this (I can't test as I don't have your font): \documentclass{article} \usepackage{xltxtra} \setmainfont[Mapping=tex-text]{DTLUnicoST} \UndeclareUTFcomposite[\UTFencname]{x0144}{\'}{n} \begin{document} \'n \end{document} Thanks, but that does not

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

That won't help sometimes: Word unhelpfully substitutes unavailable characters from some font which does include it, without warning. On 3 May 2010 23:18, Ulrike Fischer wrote: > Are you able to get the accent in this font e.g. in Word or a > similar application? >

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Am Mon, 03 May 2010 13:48:50 +0100 schrieb José Carlos Santos: > On 03-05-2010 13:24, Ulrike Fischer wrote: > >>> If I compile this file: >>> >>> \documentclass{article} >>> \usepackage{fontspec} >>> \usepackage{xunicode} >>> \usepackage{xltxtra} >>> \begin{document} >>> \'n >>> \end{document} >>

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

José Carlos Santos wrote: Thanks, but that does not work. What I get is just the letter "n". Besides, the log file then says "Missing character: There is no ́ in font DTL Unico ST/ICU:mapping=tex-text,!" Hi José: Maybe you could use a font like DTL Unico (I don't have it here) that /doe

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 13:24, Ulrike Fischer wrote: If I compile this file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage{xunicode} \usepackage{xltxtra} \begin{document} \'n \end{document} then I get a PDF file which, besides the page number, only contains the diacritic «ń». That's what I w

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 12:45, Michiel Kamermans wrote: Then I will have to work without the xunicode and xltxtra packages. I hope that that will not create new problems. You could, but what's stopping you from using the actual letter ń? Within the tex file? Because I don't know how to get it from the

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

Am Mon, 03 May 2010 11:26:32 +0100 schrieb José Carlos Santos: > Hi all, > > If I compile this file: > > \documentclass{article} > \usepackage{fontspec} > \usepackage{xunicode} > \usepackage{xltxtra} > \begin{document} > \'n > \end{document} > > then I get a PDF file which, besides the page num

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 5/3/2010 4:02 AM, José Carlos Santos wrote: Then I will have to work without the xunicode and xltxtra packages. I hope that that will not create new problems. You could, but what's stopping you from using the actual letter ń? Incidentally, you only have to load the xltxtra package, not xltx

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

On 03-05-2010 11:35, Arthur Reutenauer wrote: Now, I am not surprised by the fact that that specific font doesn't have that specific character, but shouldn't it be able to create one just by putting an acute accent over the letter _n_? The problem you have here is the result of xunicode's a

Re: [XeTeX] Diacritics

> Now, I am not surprised by the fact that that specific font doesn't have > that specific character, but shouldn't it be able to create one just by > putting an acute accent over the letter _n_? The problem you have here is the result of xunicode's action: it explicitely replaces the sequen

[XeTeX] Diacritics

Hi all, If I compile this file: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage{xunicode} \usepackage{xltxtra} \begin{document} \'n \end{document} then I get a PDF file which, besides the page number, only contains the diacritic «ń». That's what I would expect. However, if I add th