Re: [Vo]:The Myth of the Boiling Point

This is interesting but also partially he describes known stuff, such as degassing and boiling delay. Of course engineers and chemists know about boiling anomalies, an technical devices are built in such a way that anomalies are avoided or prevented. Also the water is treated to prevent these eff

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

JC, you used the specific wording, ".the evidence has not improved at all." That is the kind of statement I'd expect from a pathological skeptic. or someone totally ignorant of the research. which you are not. ignorant of the research, that is. Here are three elements of LENR research w

[Vo]:Re: Rossi replies to my email

On 11/21/2011 12:05 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: "Dear Sirs, We are selling only 1 MW thermal plants, so far. Warm Regards, A.R." While I do understand what a full order book can do, it is disappointing to say the least. So much for his 100 kW min size offer. May still be doable but not until Feb

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > It will take some time with Arata's because while it seems clear enough, > it's written in a very convoluted way and the figures take a lot of work to > understand. It's not how a modern paper should be organized and > illustrated. It looks li

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> As you well know, the skeptical theory is that the device remained hot >> due to extensive preheating and the storage of energy in either some sort >> of mass such as fire brick heated to high temperature or the melti

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > >> 130 kWs of heat coming from something the size of a small door knob is >> really scary. No chemical source that I know of could have done that. >> > > Or perhaps the flow measurement was in error -- a liter per second is a > lot of wate

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint < zeropo...@charter.net> wrote: > in one post he > states that there has been NO improvement in CF/LENR evidence at all since > 1989. This is total BS... just look at Jed's website for hundreds of > papers, many of which have heat in excess

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:05 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I was of the impression that the ECAT modules were filled with water > before the main test was conducted. Is there any documented evidence that > the water level > was below fill at 12:30? I would like to find this if you can point me i

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I might be able to answer my own question. I just reviewed the final > acceptance document and see that the test supposedly started at 9:00. If > they started the input water flow at that > time to the 6.314 liter/hour rate, then only 22

[Vo]:Condensation Model of Cold Fusion

The recent discussion about water drops in steam has me thinking about how cold fusion might come about. Consider that the process of condensation releases heat. Cold fusion might be like a process of condensation where a small drop and large drop fuse to form a larger drop. ( H nucleus + Ni nucle

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Berke Durak wrote: > Save for what was required to fill the pipes and the devices, the > input mass flow rate is obviously equal to the output mass flow rate. > It's not that obvious, considering at the published flow rate (as Roberson corrected me), it takes ab

Re: [Vo]:its been great

Apparently, Mary is less pathological case than Cude, but problem is that she is a perpetual motion machine that goes endlessly onwards and onwards without need for input energy (food). Like she has moral oblication to protect poor and consideration inable investors from getting cheated. It would

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

I might be able to answer my own question. I just reviewed the final acceptance document and see that the test supposedly started at 9:00. If they started the input water flow at that time to the 6.314 liter/hour rate, then only 22.1 liters would be in the ECATs at 12:30. That would explain

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

I was of the impression that the ECAT modules were filled with water before the main test was conducted. Is there any documented evidence that the water level was below fill at 12:30? I would like to find this if you can point me in the right direction. Dave -Original Message- From

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to > form a Neutron and a Neutrino). > has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. > Actually, it's about 10 times higher. And it's an *energy*

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > If this is the case, then the output mass flow rate has no relation > to the input mass flow rate, and the power output calculation using > the input flow rate is meaningless. Save for what was required to fill the pipes and the devices, the

[Vo]:Modern theories of boiling

begin quote <> end quote more... http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/people/chang/boiling/discussion3.htm

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Berke Durak wrote: > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:24 PM, David Roberson > wrote: > > There is a five minute period during which water would be flowing > > through the ECATs and into the steam pipes. During this 5 minute > > period, I would expect (675.6 liters/hou

[Vo]:The Myth of the Boiling Point

http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/people/chang/boiling/ begin quote <> end quote He goes on to describe six experiments with ideo clips of each: ■Experiment 1. The indefiniteness of the boiling point ■Experiment 2. Different temperatures in different vessels ■Experiment 3. Lower temperature in a hydrophob

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:24 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > I wanted to point out this discrepancy so that other members of the Vortex > can indicate my error or verify the problem. > > I agree. But the results are consistent with the valve to the trap being closed, or with the trap being ineffect

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:24 PM, David Roberson wrote: > There is a five minute period during which water would be flowing > through the ECATs and into the steam pipes.  During this 5 minute > period, I would expect (675.6 liters/hour * 1 hour/60 minutes * 5 > minutes = 56.3 liters) of water to be

Re: [Vo]:Mary Yugo

How did you know that? 2011/11/21 > Do you know Mark Yugo, he is a well know cold fusion advocate. > > Frank z > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

Peter Heckert wrote: > Contrary to this, a metal hydride system does always deliver very pure > hydrogen. Do you mean a palladium filter? Something like "a diffusion type ultra-pure electrolytic hydrogen generator made by Milton Roy Company" (BARC)? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

Absolutely! Widom-Larsen (where an electron combines with a Proton to form a Neutron and a Neutrino). has a critical mass, similar to the Coulomb barrier for regular fusion. The muon:proton has enough mass, and is known to happen. But electron:proton doesn't --WL proposes one method of getting a

[Vo]:New LENR Patent Appl: Method for Producing Heavy Electrons

I do not think this patent application has been posted to Vortex yet: URL: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220110255645%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20110255645&RS=DN/20110255645 United States Patent Application

[Vo]:Petroldragon and Leonardo Technologies, Inc.

If you don't think that Rossi's past has any bearing on the E-Cat, or if you think the October 6th test showed conclusive, first-principle, irrefutable proof, you probably can just skip this E-Mail. For the rest: PETROLDRAGON I really didn't want to get into the Petroldragon stuff, but I can't

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Went to Washington yesterday. Met with a company VP's with connections at the navy labs. Signed a non disclosure. Made a plan, and cant say a thing. I know this sounds like a bunch of hokes pokes too. It's real and that's the way things happen. Its not all blab blab blab on the internet.

Re: [Vo]:Focardi talking about Gamma radiation.

In reply to Aussie Guy E-Cat's message of Mon, 21 Nov 2011 02:13:09 +1030: Hi, [snip] >You did read Focardi's comments on the radiation and the transmutations: > >"/*So, if gamma [radiation] is emitted in one direction, the nickel goes >in the opposite direction, The momentum of the gamma ray i

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

AG: Correct, and Cude is guilty of the same kind of statements... in one post he states that there has been NO improvement in CF/LENR evidence at all since 1989. This is total BS... just look at Jed's website for hundreds of papers, many of which have heat in excess of 10 to 100 times the accurac

[Vo]:Mary Yugo

Do you know Mark Yugo, he is a well know cold fusion advocate. Frank z

[Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

I was reviewing the test data http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3303688.ece/BINARY/Temperature+data+Ecat+test+Oct+28+%28xls%29 for the 1 MW system and it looks like there is a problem with the reporting of water captured at the beginning of the run. The time stated for the test period i

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Marcello Vitale wrote: Indeed, that is what stopped him. He was buying what was defined as an > industrial byproduct, the spent lubricant that was, until then, simply > burned without much concern. Then, the law changed and it became toxic > waste. Immediately, somebody who did not like him or hi

Re: [Vo]:its been great

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: If we ALL stop responding to MY, MY will get bored and go away. Okay, I'll stop. I've had enough. - Jed

[Vo]:Rossi replies to my email

"Dear Sirs, We are selling only 1 MW thermal plants, so far. Warm Regards, A.R." While I do understand what a full order book can do, it is disappointing to say the least. So much for his 100 kW min size offer. May still be doable but not until Feb 2012. AG

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

A water contact heat sink should have a VERY low thermal resistance. The reactor core temp would probably go up slowly as the heat sink failed to get rid of the excess heat. What was scary to me was what would have happened if the core had melted as the lead shielding would probably have melted

Re: [Vo]:its been great

If we ALL stop responding to MY, MY will get bored and go away. AG On 11/21/2011 7:29 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

What you wrote is so full of incorrect statements as to finally label you as a confirmed basher. The heat storage theory has been totally busted. The E-Cat was lifted off the table and onto a scale to measure the pre test weight. There is no way any heat storage could have been hidden during th

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary failed to accurately read what they actually said about that transaction. I have pointed this out to Mary before. What Defkalion said was they had the funds ready but Rossi failed to complete the contract. Apparently no money changed hands. AG On 11/21/2011 6:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

AG, I would be concerned about a possible explosion due to the pressure buildup within the core. The hydrogen gas might burst its container at the temperatures reached. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Nov 20, 2011 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:To me

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

You are assuming the reactor heat exchanger surface temperature went up immediately. I doubt that happened as there is thermal mass involved, a water cooled heat sink with a very low thermal resistance and if it happened like that, the core would probably have melted as it could not get rid of

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

My concern was the apparent lack of an automatic control system during that test and what happens when a reactor melt down does occur, especially any resultant radiation products that may escape a melted lead radiation shield. AG On 11/21/2011 6:14 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 20.11.2011 17:

Re: [Vo]:its been great

On 2011-11-21 00:56, Charles Hope wrote: Agreed. Also, new threads should not be renamed replies to other threads, because some smart email clients are not fooled by subject changes, and the new thread is hidden in the original. I often do this when there's a more or less slight change of to

Re: [Vo]:its been great

The problem is the same, there is a lot of echo. But, unlike the chamber of agreement, which tends to low the activity, this time it fills the clutters the mail with too much messages. 2011/11/20 Charles Hope > > On Nov 20, 2011, at 18:45, Akira Shirakawa > wrote: > > > Incidentally, I find th

Re: [Vo]:its been great

On Nov 20, 2011, at 18:45, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-11-21 00:33, Daniel Rocha wrote: >> Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same >> things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, >> but the repetition. But the repetition is not on

Re: [Vo]:its been great

On 2011-11-21 00:33, Daniel Rocha wrote: Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

There's also a "Clausius-Clapeyron" equation. (There's probably a single neuron in my brain recording that "C" memory. Misfiring.) > I don't know if my mis-remembered "C-name" was Critical, Kelvin or a > nearby Clapeyron equation.

Re: [Vo]:its been great

Jed, that is NOT possible. He would still see people answering the same things over and over again. What makes MY annoying is not the arguments, but the repetition. But the repetition is not only hers, it is also from whoever answer. So, it won't work just blocking. 2011/11/20 Jed Rothwell > Esa

Re: [Vo]:Steam Quality Revisted -- Kettle Boiler

Thanks again to AG for the file. The formula is Kelvin's : I.29 Page 12. There's a critical radius value, below which drops will shrink, above which they'll grow. I don't know if my mis-remembered "C-name" was Critical, Kelvin or a nearby Clapeyron equation. Anyway , now I can finish reading

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

How about the heat transfer being done in WATER ? http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Basic_Physics_of_Nuclear_Medicine/Attenuation_of_Gamma-Rays 500 kEV Gamma Ray Attenuation (per cm) Water 0.097 Iron 0.65 Copper 0.73 Lead 1.64 ( Lead : water = 16:1 ) Rossi has only said that the transfer is "partl

Re: [Vo]:How should I demonstrate LENR, if I can reproduce it?

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:46 AM, David Roberson wrote: > > I want to make one observation for you and others to consider. If the > output power delivered during the test were in the range of 500 kW, then > all of the vapor exiting toward > the heat exchanger would be high quality. > Agreed.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

In general I endorse Jed's suggestion ... HVAC Engineer + your own portable instruments as a cross-check. But I'd make sure that your specification includes: Steam Quality : % Fluid Water % Entrained Droplets % Dry steam Measured continuously/every T seconds/minutes/hours Electrical Input: Ensur

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

About Rossi judicial status re: Petroldragon, he was only convicted of the financial stuff, as Jed said, and that was because he tried to keep the company going by cooking the books to get loans when things were going badly. He was found not guilty of the toxic waste trafficking stuff. Indeed, tha

Re: [Vo]:So Rossi has a real Ph.D. obtained in 1975

Daniel Rocha wrote: It always seemed to me an honorary diploma from an university that later > turned out to lose its accreditation, not that was phony. He told me it was purely honorary. He said some people gave it to him as a reward for some work he did . . . I do not recall the details. I t

RE: [Vo]:its been great

>From Jed >> From Esa >> you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. >> im out of here. > Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. > > I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. Esa, you sound petulant. Ms. Yugo has a right to express her opinio

[Vo]:Some Lewan video information

I have not kept up with vortex posts of late, so if this duplicates material already discussed my apologies. I have been working on photo analysis to better estimate E-cat dimensions, volume, and flow rates. These comments are in regard to the Lewan 6 Oct video: http://www.youtube.com/wat

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Am 20.11.2011 22:35, schrieb Charles Hope: On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugo wrote: And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to do their jobs according to instructions and protocols

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Nov 20, 2011, at 13:05, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > And why in the world would you trust people who install large industrial > devices? In my experience they have a lot of practical knowledge on how to > do their jobs according to instructions and protocols but not the formal > education t

Re: [Vo]:its been great

How to create a gmail filter: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6579 T

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: 130 kWs of heat coming from something the size of a small door knob is > really scary. How about burning gasoline? Not sure what the power density is. Anyway, I doubt it was actually 130 kW. It was very high, no doubt. It was scary. But I believe there may have been som

Re: [Vo]:its been great

Esa Ruoho wrote: you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here. > Why don't you just block out Mary Yugo's message? Problem solved. I'll do that in a week or so, and stop responding. - Jed

[Vo]:its been great

you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here.

Re: [Vo]:Water Cannot Prevent Dehydration

Also (sorry): what's NQI again?

Re: [Vo]:Water Cannot Prevent Dehydration

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:18 PM, MJ wrote: It seems they don't advertise NQI for dissolving kidney stones, but it > really works according to several testimonials: > I don't suppose anyone here needs warnings about the difference between testimonials and double blind "controlled" studies

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I think that defines the essential difference between me and Yugo. I look > at laws of physics, physical facts, and replications by others. > I look at the same facts and come up with different conclusions. And Rossi's work has never been

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: > As you well know, the skeptical theory is that the device remained hot due > to extensive preheating and the storage of energy in either some sort of > mass such as fire brick heated to high temperature or the melting of a > comparatively low temperature alloy. > Oh, yes, I k

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I meant: > > Defkalion says they have NOT paid anything. Rossi says they have not paid > him anything. > > I'll take their word for it, rather than your interpretation of the Google > computer's auto-translation of a Greek newspaper. > > Anyw

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Robert Leguillon wrote: It looks like MY already called you on this, while I was writing, but > nevertheless: > I believe that he was accused of not actually processing the waste in any > significant volume, and ended up just stockpiling waste. . . . Well, I heard he was convicted of defrauding

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Since it did not mislead anyone, and it was clear to to everyone that it > was sloppy, I think it was annoying. > > Why do you call something misleading when no one is misled? > A lot of comments I see on various forums suggest hundreds

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

I meant: Defkalion says they have NOT paid anything. Rossi says they have not paid him anything. I'll take their word for it, rather than your interpretation of the Google computer's auto-translation of a Greek newspaper. Anyway, who gives a damn how much anyone has paid to anyone else? What dif

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

/snip/ " As far as I know, his previous criminal career consisted of defrauding the stockholders in a company in which he himself was the only stockholder." /snip/ It looks like MY already called you on this, while I was writing, but nevertheless: I believe that he was accused of not actually

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: > How much is an unknown amount? >> > > Please don't play ignorant. Or don't you know the source of this was an > Ampenergo executive in an interview with NyTeknik and he said: > > *"How much do you pay for the agreement?* > > Cassarino: Unfortunately that’s confidential. > Oka

Re: [Vo]:Water Cannot Prevent Dehydration

On 20-Nov-11 16:00, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:01 AM, MJ > wrote: I had kidney stones until I discovered NQI: http://www.gauerdobrasil.com.br/produtos-detalhe-nqi.htm Mark Jordan The advice on that page is rather general. What p

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: > As AG says, it would be "hard to cock that up." It is a piece of cake. > > > I love that sort of optimism. So do scammers. > Since he not going to buy the small unit, but only look at it for a preliminary evaluation, I do not see how this could be part of a scam. The big re

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: . > > How much is an unknown amount? > Please don't play ignorant. Or don't you know the source of this was an Ampenergo executive in an interview with NyTeknik and he said: *"How much do you pay for the agreement?* Cassarino: Unfortunately

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: > > I think the actual energy was lower. > It is not possible to transfer an energy of 120 kW via a small surface > into the water without producing steam bubbles. > It is for example possible to hold a glowing peace of iron under water and >

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: Krivit. And there has been no denial from either Quantum or NASA. Perhaps > with the contacts you have you could confirm or deny the report? > > "Steven B. Krivit says: > November 15, 2011 at > 08:57

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > By the way, I meant all of this advice to apply to the big, 100 kW > reactor. Not the initial test of the single unit. As AG says, it would be > "hard to cock that up." It is a piece of cake. I love that sort of optimism. So do scammers.

Re: [Vo]:To me, this is scary

Am 20.11.2011 17:24, schrieb Aussie Guy E-Cat: To me this statement made by Professor Levi about the 18 hour test he and Rossi did is scary: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3108242.ece “/*Minimum power was 15 kilowatts, and that’s a conservative value. I calculated it

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

By the way, I meant all of this advice to apply to the big, 100 kW reactor. Not the initial test of the single unit. As AG says, it would be "hard to cock that up." It is a piece of cake. Still, it would be good to have your local HVAC engineering firm take part in that test too, to test out thei

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

If Rossi is lying, so is Defkalion, they are playing the same gaming now. 2011/11/20 Mary Yugo > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. >> > > I'm going to guess that they wanted to see the kind that works. I wil

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. > I'm going to guess that they wanted to see the kind that works. I will further venture that they would have settled for any table top nuclear fusion reactor that *they* could prov

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > > Who told you that is what happened? You seem to know more about this > incident than I do > Krivit. And there has been no denial from either Quantum or NASA. Perhaps with the contacts you have you could confirm o

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted Rossi to show. 2011/11/20 Peter Gluck > Defkalion's CEO says about the 48 hours work condition in this paper. > > If the E-cat has heated the office for two years, then it seems later it > made serious regress. You can show any photography, how could

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

Defkalion's CEO says about the 48 hours work condition in this paper. If the E-cat has heated the office for two years, then it seems later it made serious regress. You can show any photography, how could we know that the thing heats indeed? As regarding Prof Focardi who; a) tacitly accepts the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > With the obviously needed tests and preparations for October 6 and 28th, > it is preposterous to believe that Rossi could come up with one working > E-cat to show an extremely important potential client and a renown agency > like NASA. > Oo

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: > Yes, I do. Several people. >> > > Can you name one we can check with? > If I could, I would, wouldn't I? As I mentioned, I am trying to get permission to upload the photos and data. I have uploaded 1,200 documents, so it is clear I do not hold things back for no reason. If I

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > > What is your point? > That Rossi lies. He could not possibly be unable to find a working machine in September if, as he said, he had dozens under continuous test. With the obviously needed tests and preparations for

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: > I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has >> much of a relationship to reality. >> > > If it were not true, I would expect to see Quantum (a very large firm) and > NASA (well... you know NASA) to officially deny it in print. > Krivit's statement t

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came >> away with positive results? > > > Yes, I do. Several people. > Can you name one we can check with? And if not, why has nobody spoken out and wri

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has much > of a relationship to reality. > If it were not true, I would expect to see Quantum (a very large firm) and NASA (well... you know NASA) to officially deny it in

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

Mary Yugo wrote: Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came away > with positive results? Yes, I do. Several people. > Maybe actually ordered one? > No idea if they ordered one. But for some reason, Rossi's machine wouldn't start when either of those > partie

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

I find very little of what Krivit is saying since he visited Rossi has much of a relationship to reality. I do not read what he says anymore. In my opinion he has crawled out on a limb and is sawing it off. AG On 11/21/2011 5:12 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Aussie

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: Good luck, Aussie, getting near it much less testing one. Or do you know any potential customer that has? Does Jed know anyone who privately tested the E-cat correctly and came away with positive results? Maybe actually ordered one? Oh

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

We don't know what kind of ecat they wanted a proof. 2011/11/20 Peter Gluck > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Peter Gluck wrote: >> >> They are technologically skilled, good engineers and have refused >>> to pay for an immature and unsafe product. >>> >> >> Who are

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat guy: Hire a local HVAC engineering company!

To an engineer it is just another Black Box with inputs and outputs. The only give away that a LENR reaction is occurring inside the Black Box is the COP is greater than 1. Any HVAC engineer or firm would give their last Euro to test this device as they will get high ground for any future work.

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > Anyone know when the countdown to this event started?   Just curious when to > look for it. A week from Monday. T

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Funny that they use the term "The Three Musketeers of Cold Fusion" in > the caption of the first picture. > Maybe because someone's nose is lengthening?

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

On 2011-11-20 19:26, Mary Yugo wrote: Anyone know when the countdown to this event started? Just curious when to look for it. On November 14th DGT announced: "We will release a complete outline of our developments within the next two weeks". http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS

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Peter Gluck wrote: > Jed, it seems there was a point in the contract, that the E-cat should > work continuously for at least 48 hours- and it didn't. Ah. You refer to the Sept. 6 test done by "Quantum engineers and NASA, but which fails due to leakage." Yes, Rossi's prototype equipment often f

Re: [Vo]:A new article mostly about Defkalion in Greek

November 14, take a look to the Defkalion Forum. http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/DGT_PRESS%20RELEASE_2011-11-14.pdf On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Akira Shirakawa < > shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > We might know if it's rea

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