[Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi, this message starts a one week consensus call for the following proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10. The call will end on Thursday, 9 February. 1. Section 2: CURRENT: 2. An "internationalized domain name", i.e., a DNS domain name that includes at least one label contai

Re: [Uta] tone

2023-02-01 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi, this is a friendly reminder to all to stay on technical topics. We all are humans and “humani nil a me alienum puto”, but can we all please save personal attitudes for private conversations and try not to express them on the list. Regards, Valery (for the chairs). __

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Corey Bonnell
> (I hope I accurately caught all the input from Rob, Viktor and Watson. The note from Corey is reasonable, but it's difficult to incorporate it without going into very deep nuances). I think it would be unfortunate if the usage of terms that are defined in RFC 5890 is not aligned with their defin

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Corey, > > (I hope I accurately caught all the input from Rob, Viktor and Watson. > The note from Corey is reasonable, but it's difficult to incorporate it > without going into very deep nuances). > > I think it would be unfortunate if the usage of terms that are defined in > RFC 5890 is not a

Re: [Uta] UTS-46 / WHATWG

2023-02-01 Thread Salz, Rich
* Alright then, get on with it. I listed the changes I wanted, and cited the Unicode Consortium and ICANN. I would still like to know if the WG wants this. ___ Uta mailing list Uta@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/uta

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Corey Bonnell
Hi Valery, I took a stab at creating text to resolve this issue: https://github.com/richsalz/draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis/pull/88. I went ahead and incorporated Rob's and Watson's suggestions into this PR so that we have a comprehensive view of the suggested changes. Thanks, Corey -Original Mess

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Rob Sayre
> Corey Bonnell wrote: > > I took a stab at creating text to resolve this issue: > > https://github.com/richsalz/draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis/pull/88. I went ahead > and incorporated Rob's and Watson's suggestions into this PR so that we have > a comprehensive view of the suggested changes. This all

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 11:37:51AM +0300, Valery Smyslov wrote: > this message starts a one week consensus call for the following > proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10. The call > will end on Thursday, 9 February. Though I coughed a small part of the suggested text, I am not particul

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Salz, Rich
On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 11:37:51AM +0300, Valery Smyslov wrote: > this message starts a one week consensus call for the following > proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10. The call > will end on Thursday, 9 February. Viktor wrote: >Though I coughed a small part of the suggested text, I a

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Rob Sayre
Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > Though I coughed a small part of the suggested text, I am not > particularly in favour of going down this rabbit hole in the present > document. Do you object to anything in the GitHub PR, even if you don't exactly like it? Looking for rough consensus here. > I don't thi

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread John Levine
It appears that Viktor Dukhovni said: >Though I coughed a small part of the suggested text, I am not >particulary in favour of going down this rabbit hole in the present >document. I don't think this is the place to settle the IDNA2008/UTS-46 >schism. Nor is it the role of this IETF document to

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/1/23 1:37 AM, Valery Smyslov wrote: Hi, this message starts a one week consensus call for the following proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10. Thank you for sending the proposed text on list so that it can be reviewed by the full range of working group participants. The ca

Re: [Uta] UTS-46 / WHATWG

2023-02-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/31/23 10:51 PM, Watson Ladd wrote: How about this: "The conversion from a U-label to an A-label MUST be done once and used both to carry out the DNS lookup and the evaluation of the end entity cert. Name constraints MUST be evaluated against the A-label converted name. This ensures that th

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 2/1/23 6:17 AM, Corey Bonnell wrote: I think it would be unfortunate if the usage of terms that are defined in RFC 5890 is not aligned with their definitions. If we are not opposed to introducing new terminology to the document, then I suggest the following: 1. Replace all instances of

Re: [Uta] tone

2023-02-01 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 1/31/23 9:02 PM, Rob Sayre wrote: You alleged that other WG participants are engaged in "pointless fist-pounding" driven by a desire to "assert authority" instead of accepting that perhaps they felt they were raising legitimate concerns. I did write something like that in private

Re: [Uta] tone

2023-02-01 Thread Rob Sayre
Apology accepted, and the exact phrase was: "...and just a lot of pointless fist-pounding about IDNA2008. If anyone is still trying to assert authority about this after 15 years, maybe the problem is with the document" I try to make it a policy to never talk behind anyone's back, but this is diff

Re: [Uta] Consensus call for proposed changes to draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-10

2023-02-01 Thread Valery Smyslov
Hi Corey, thank you for this work. Folks, please use Corey's PR when commenting on proposed changes for this consensus call. Regards, Valery. > Hi Valery, > I took a stab at creating text to resolve this issue: > https://github.com/richsalz/draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis/pull/88. I went ahead > and