[Uta] ID Tracker State Update Notice:

2015-02-20 Thread IETF Secretariat
IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup ID Tracker URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp/ ___ Uta mailing list Uta@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/uta

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Pete Resnick
Sounds like a plan. I'm off to push the approval button. Thanks all. pr On 2/20/15 4:48 PM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: On 2/20/15 3:34 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: present less confusion for someone reviewing both documents in the future. Once you start to try to learn about ec, confusio

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread
On 2/20/15 3:34 PM, Leif Johansson wrote: present less confusion for someone reviewing both documents in the future. Once you start to try to learn about ec, confusion avoidance really isn't a tenable position anymore. If we absolutely need to clarify this small bit of terminology, we can

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Leif Johansson
> present less confusion for someone reviewing both documents in the > future. Once you start to try to learn about ec, confusion avoidance really isn't a tenable position anymore. ___ Uta mailing list Uta@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Fri 2015-02-20 16:08:17 -0500, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: > Since we seem to all be on the same page, I'm going to submit -11 with > this text and Viktor's little modp fix so that we can all move on with > our lives... If we could use the term "finite field" instead of modp, that would a

Re: [Uta] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-11.txt

2015-02-20 Thread Orit Levin (LCA)
As the document shepherd of this draft, I am happy to declare that all issues have been resolved and ask the responsible chair, Peter Resnick, to approve the document. Thanks to all for the great work on this important document!!! Orit. > -Original Message- > From: internet-dra...@ietf.o

[Uta] I-D Action: draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10.txt

2015-02-20 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Using TLS in Applications Working Group of the IETF. Title : Recommendations for Secure Use of TLS and DTLS Authors : Yaron Sheffer

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Leif Johansson
On 02/20/2015 11:08 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > Thanks! I cleared. > The sound you are hearing in the background is the sound of the the two chairs exhaling. Thx everyone for very good work! Cheers Leif ___ Uta mailing list Uta@ietf.org http

[Uta] I-D Action: draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-11.txt

2015-02-20 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Using TLS in Applications Working Group of the IETF. Title : Recommendations for Secure Use of TLS and DTLS Authors : Yaron Sheffer

[Uta] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-11.txt

2015-02-20 Thread internet-drafts
A new version (-11) has been submitted for draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-11.txt The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp/ Diff from previous version: http://www.ietf.org/rfc

[Uta] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10.txt

2015-02-20 Thread internet-drafts
A new version (-10) has been submitted for draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10.txt Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Barnes
Thanks! I cleared. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: > On 2/20/15 1:57 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > >> SGTM, except your use of "#" confused my mental Markdown parser :) >> > > Sorry about the parser issues! > > Since we seem to all be on the same page, I'm going t

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
Richard's, Pete's or Peter's takes on this are all fine. Let's ship it! S. ___ Uta mailing list Uta@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/uta

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread
On 2/20/15 1:57 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: SGTM, except your use of "#" confused my mental Markdown parser :) Sorry about the parser issues! Since we seem to all be on the same page, I'm going to submit -11 with this text and Viktor's little modp fix so that we can all move on with our lives.

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Barnes
SGTM, except your use of "#" confused my mental Markdown parser :) On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: > On 2/20/15 1:22 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: > >> On 2/20/15 1:43 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: >> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Stephen Farrell >>> mailto:step

Re: [Uta] Modular vs. modp

2015-02-20 Thread
On 2/20/15 1:52 PM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:50:17AM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: [ Top post: So should the title and text of 4.4 be changed? ] Well, modp is, I assume, short for Modular Exponentiation so the RFC Editor is going to ask us to spell it out on first use

[Uta] Modular vs. modp (was: Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT))

2015-02-20 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 06:50:17AM +, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: [ Top post: So should the title and text of 4.4 be changed? ] > On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 09:19:32PM -0700, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: > > > >Section 4.4. "Modular vs. Elliptic Curve" > > > > > >I think that "finite field" or "m

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread
On 2/20/15 1:22 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: On 2/20/15 1:43 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Stephen Farrell mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie>> wrote: The sense of the UTA Working Group was to complete work on this document about best practices for TLS i

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Barnes
Yes, the passive voice *is* good for avoiding responsibility! On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: > On 2/20/15 1:43 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Stephen Farrell < > stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > >> >> The sense of the UTA Working Gr

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Pete Resnick
On 2/20/15 1:43 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Stephen Farrell mailto:stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie>> wrote: The sense of the UTA Working Group was to complete work on this document about best practices for TLS in general, and to initiate

[Uta] Alissa Cooper's Yes on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10: (with COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Alissa Cooper
Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ie

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Barnes
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > FWIW, I could live with the current text or with Richard's (modulo > one thing below). Or with stuff in-between. > > On 20/02/15 16:23, Richard Barnes wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet < > pe...@andyet.

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Stephen Farrell
FWIW, I could live with the current text or with Richard's (modulo one thing below). Or with stuff in-between. On 20/02/15 16:23, Richard Barnes wrote: > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet > wrote: > >> On 2/20/15 3:45 AM, Ralph Holz wrote: >> >>> Hi Viktor, >>> >>> B

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Barnes
Those fixes are fine with me. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: > Modulo a few nits (inline), this seems acceptable to me. > > On 2/20/15 9:23 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet >> mailto:pe...@andyet.net

[Uta] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10: (with COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Barry Leiba
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-10: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http://www.ietf

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread
Modulo a few nits (inline), this seems acceptable to me. On 2/20/15 9:23 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet mailto:pe...@andyet.net>> wrote: On 2/20/15 3:45 AM, Ralph Holz wrote: Hi Viktor, Basically, I'm fine with "r

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Eric Rescorla
This LGTM. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Richard Barnes wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet < > pe...@andyet.net> wrote: > >> On 2/20/15 3:45 AM, Ralph Holz wrote: >> >>> Hi Viktor, >>> >>> Basically, I'm fine with "raising the ceiling" as high as it se

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Richard Barnes
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Peter Saint-Andre - &yet wrote: > On 2/20/15 3:45 AM, Ralph Holz wrote: > >> Hi Viktor, >> >> Basically, I'm fine with "raising the ceiling" as high as it seems >> to make sense, but once the floor is raised too high, the BCP no >> longer applies to op

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread
On 2/20/15 3:45 AM, Ralph Holz wrote: Hi Viktor, Basically, I'm fine with "raising the ceiling" as high as it seems to make sense, but once the floor is raised too high, the BCP no longer applies to opportunistic TLS. Thanks for jumping in and providing a good summary. In my opini

Re: [Uta] Richard Barnes' Discuss on draft-ietf-uta-tls-bcp-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2015-02-20 Thread Ralph Holz
Hi Viktor, Basically, I'm fine with "raising the ceiling" as high as it seems > to make sense, but once the floor is raised too high, the BCP no > longer applies to opportunistic TLS. > > Thanks for jumping in and providing a good summary. In my opinion, the purposes of this BCP *and* of OS are b