Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 23.12.22 21:24, Joey J wrote: This is the best I can grab header wise, Names/IP's have changed here to protect privacy. Know the following: The senders real server (1.2.3.4), (1.2.3.4 is the SPF match) sends the mail to the gateway, and the gateway blocked it as shown. Yes, legit going to payp

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-23 Thread Joey J
Hello All, This is the best I can grab header wise, Names/IP's have changed here to protect privacy. Know the following: The senders real server (1.2.3.4), (1.2.3.4 is the SPF match) sends the mail to the gateway, and the gateway blocked it as shown. Yes, legit going to paypal. Based on your resp

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-22 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Joey J wrote: But in better seeing the welcomelist_from_spf option, I think this will be my first try. If you are *really* worried about getting faked mail from that correspondent, you can do something like: whitelist_from_spf j...@company.com blacklist_fro

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 21.12.22 15:48, Joey J wrote: Thank you for pointing me in the better direction. Since not many people are typing these types of email , I could do the one off rule and it would be manageable. But in better seeing the welcomelist_from_spf option, I think this will be my first try. welcomelis

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Joey J
Kris & Greg, Thank you for pointing me in the better direction. Since not many people are typing these types of email , I could do the one off rule and it would be manageable. But in better seeing the welcomelist_from_spf option, I think this will be my first try. I appreciate all of your points

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Kris Deugau
Joey J wrote: Thanks Everyone. Within all of the responses, I will try to reply here. 1. The legit sender will talk about big numbers because of the real things he is involved with so big numbers is still a valid method to score, just not in this case. 2. The SPF record is set to fail on no mat

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Greg Troxel
The other thing that should be done for j...@company.com is that company.com should sign their mail with DKIM, and then you can welcomelist_from_dkim *@company.com I find that many companies I deal with that produce semi-spammy mail (most big companies :-) have DKIM signatures and I can welcome

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Joey J
Thanks Everyone. Within all of the responses, I will try to reply here. 1. The legit sender will talk about big numbers because of the real things he is involved with so big numbers is still a valid method to score, just not in this case. 2. The SPF record is set to fail on no match, however this d

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Bill Cole
On 2022-12-21 at 12:02:27 UTC-0500 (Wed, 21 Dec 2022 18:02:27 +0100) Matus UHLAR - fantomas is rumored to have said: [...]> > On 21.12.22 11:19, Henrik K wrote: >> It will pass welcomelist_auth, since there is SPF_PASS, which you missed: >> >> SPF_PASS   -0.001 SPF: sender matches SPF

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Dominic Raferd
On 20/12/2022 23:59, Joey J wrote: Thanks to Bill and Matus for your responses. Basically, the client is talking about real money transactions, airplanes, paypal etc, but he is a legit sender with these often flagged topics. Sometimes the message goes through, but by the time you reply 2 or 3

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> DKIM_INVALID 0.1 DKIM or DK signature exists, but is not valid > > DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not > necessarily valid > > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001 HTML font color similar or identical to > background > > HTML_MESSAGE0.001 HTML

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-21 Thread Henrik K
On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 08:43:18AM +0100, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > > DKIM_INVALID 0.1 DKIM or DK signature exists, but is not valid > > > > DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not > > necessarily valid > > > > HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST 0.001 HTML fo

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 20.12.22 18:59, Joey J wrote: Basically, the client is talking about real money transactions, airplanes, paypal etc, but he is a legit sender with these often flagged topics. Sometimes the message goes through, but by the time you reply 2 or 3 times, there are more of the buzz words that SA lo

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Loren Wilton
Personally I'd look at why BIGNUM_EMAILS_MANY is hitting and see if there is something the sender could do to avoid it. I'm pretty sure I've never seen that rule hit in any of my spam, so it must be something a bit unique. Loren

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Joey J
Thanks to Bill and Matus for your responses. Basically, the client is talking about real money transactions, airplanes, paypal etc, but he is a legit sender with these often flagged topics. Sometimes the message goes through, but by the time you reply 2 or 3 times, there are more of the buzz words

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 19.12.22 20:05, Joey J wrote: I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring for a certain persons email. As an example if j...@company.com is communicating with paypal or other real banking institutions, then at times within the email chain, SA will tag it as spam. d

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Bill Cole
On 2022-12-19 at 21:43:08 UTC-0500 (Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:43:08 -0500) Joey J is rumored to have said: Thanks, So welcomelist_from_rcvd j...@company.com [1.2.3.4] Is saying if it's received from j...@company.com and the IP combination? And then simply score it welcomelist_from_rcvd score -2 I

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Joey J
Actually, what would be the format, in respect to header for that rule? so header welcomelist_from_rcvd j...@company.com [1.2.3.4] On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 8:39 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > > Joey J writes: > > > I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring > for >

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Joey J
Thanks, So welcomelist_from_rcvd j...@company.com [1.2.3.4] Is saying if it's received from j...@company.com and the IP combination? And then simply score it welcomelist_from_rcvd score -2 I will try that thank you! On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 8:39 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > > Joey J writes: > > > I'

Re: Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Greg Troxel
Joey J writes: > I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring for > a certain persons email. That's easy. There are many ways, but not best way. > As an example if j...@company.com is communicating with paypal or other real > banking institutions, then at times withi

Whitelist or add negative values for score

2022-12-19 Thread Joey J
Hello All, I'm trying to see if there is a "best way" to provide negative scoring for a certain persons email. As an example if j...@company.com is communicating with paypal or other real banking institutions, then at times within the email chain, SA will tag it as spam. I want to see if there is