Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-28 Thread Kai Schaetzl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Duane Hill wrote on Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:09:02 + (UTC): > Therefore, linux4michelle has no "real" control over SMTP level > filtering., whatever, can we please have this off-topic discussion stopped? Thanks. Kai -- Kai Schätzl, Be

RE: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-28 Thread Koopmann, Jan-Peter
> If I've been following this thread correctly, linux4michelle has already > stated he/she receives messages from their ISP. Therefore, rejecting at > the SMTP level will ultimately cause the ISP to be a source of > backscatter (i.e. not receiving messages directly), which he/she can not > reje

RE: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-27 Thread Duane Hill
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, Koopmann, Jan-Peter wrote: Spamers are using MY E-Mail spaming russian servers and now Ihave gotten nearly 200.000 backscatters which make my account unusable specialy for my customers and peoples which urgently need my help without passing over mailinglists... So

RE: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-27 Thread Koopmann, Jan-Peter
> Spamers are using MY E-Mail spaming > russian servers and now Ihave gotten nearly > 200.000 backscatters which make my account unusable > specialy for my customers and peoples which > urgently need my help without passing over mailinglists... So you do deliver the backscatter? Why

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-20 18:53:16, schrieb Matt Kettler: > No, but if the post volume bothers you, I would strongly set your > subscription to not email you the messages, and check them over any of > the web archives noted on the website. I do not know, what you mean, since I am set to "NOMAIL". I have neve

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-20 09:43:40, schrieb Koopmann, Jan-Peter: > > > but unfortunately I get per day nearly 100 useles CarbonCopies > and now 28.000 backscatters plus regular spam of 3-6000. > > What do you mean by "get"? You actually deliver those backscatters to > your users? Or do you detect them q

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-20 Thread Matt Kettler
Michelle Konzack wrote: > > * Do not Cc: me, because I READ THIS LIST, if I write here * > *Keine Cc: am mich, ich LESE DIESE LISTE wenn ich hier schreibe* >

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-20 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-16 17:07:26, schrieb Benny Pedersen: > > On Thu, October 16, 2008 11:16, Justin Mason wrote: > > +1. This is not a useful topic for this forum. Please drop it. > > drop sending cc when you olso post on maillist FullACK! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening Michelle Konzack

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-20 Thread Michelle Konzack
* Do not Cc: me, because I READ THIS LIST, if I write here * *Keine Cc: am mich, ich LESE DIESE LISTE wenn ich hier schreibe* Am 200

RE: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-20 Thread Koopmann, Jan-Peter
> but unfortunately I get per day nearly 100 useles CarbonCopies and now 28.000 backscatters plus regular spam of 3-6000. What do you mean by "get"? You actually deliver those backscatters to your users? Or do you detect them quite easily and drop the connection during SMTP? Just curious...

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-15 17:53:01, schrieb mouss: > if it's a big ISP, they simply won't care. FullACK. You can only save ANY spam you get from them, then write a letter and ask for damages. If they do not stop within e.g. 14 days, you DoS them and let them know that it was YOU. If they now sue you

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-15 17:46:00, schrieb Benny Pedersen: > > On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:36, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK? > > why did you self send this msg cc ? :( Because I want to be sur HE get the message Normaly I get per day

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-16 Thread Matt Kettler
+1 for dropping this thread. However, as a SpamAssassin Project Management Committee (PMC) member I do feel a short statement about the policies of this list is needed here. CC + post is the normal commonly accepted format for this list, and is the manner in which most members of the SpamAssassin

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Thu, October 16, 2008 11:16, Justin Mason wrote: > +1. This is not a useful topic for this forum. Please drop it. drop sending cc when you olso post on maillist -- Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-16 Thread Justin Mason
mouss writes: > Benny Pedersen a écrit : > > On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:03, mouss wrote: > >> you'll find that knowledgeable members do Cc. > > lies > > Don't trust my words. check the archives: > > - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ... > - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postf

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Matt Kettler
Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Thu, October 16, 2008 00:38, Matt Kettler wrote: > >> Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior. >> > > dont suggest that :) > > Smarta.. :-)

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Matt Kettler
Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Thu, October 16, 2008 00:38, Matt Kettler wrote: > >> Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior. >> > > dont suggest that :) > > Why, it's the proper, RFC compliant way to do it. (and mind you, the document out on the web is "Repl

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Thu, October 16, 2008 00:38, Matt Kettler wrote: > Create a Reply-To: header when posting if you want a different behavior. dont suggest that :) -- Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Matt Kettler
Benny Pedersen wrote: > On Wed, October 15, 2008 18:05, mouss wrote: > > >> Don't trust my words. check the archives: >> >> - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ... >> - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix) >> - dovecot: Timo (yes, the author of dovecot) >> - take a look at the

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread mouss
Michelle Konzack a écrit : > DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK? you may need to fix your system. it's apparently resending the same message again. and again, I did not CC you. OK? > > I have NOT REQUESTED A Carbon Copy. > > Peoples sending me hundreds of unneeded C

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, October 15, 2008 18:05, mouss wrote: > Don't trust my words. check the archives: > > - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ... > - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix) > - dovecot: Timo (yes, the author of dovecot) > - take a look at the ietf-smtp archives. some names? Jo

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : > On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:53, mouss wrote: >> Benny Pedersen a écrit : >>> why should internet be so diffrent then the snail mail ? >> oh no. if "they" hear you, we'll have as much snail mail spam and phone >> spam! BTW I do get a lot more phone spam now. > > you paid

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : > On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:03, mouss wrote: >> you'll find that knowledgeable members do Cc. > > lies > Don't trust my words. check the archives: - SA: Justin Mason, Matt Kettler, John Hardin, ... - postfix: Wietse (yes, the author of postfix) - dovecot: Timo (yes, t

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:53, mouss wrote: > Benny Pedersen a écrit : >> why should internet be so diffrent then the snail mail ? > oh no. if "they" hear you, we'll have as much snail mail spam and phone > spam! BTW I do get a lot more phone spam now. you paid there call ? :) all free services

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread mouss
Benny Pedersen a écrit : > On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:32, Michelle Konzack wrote: > >> I pay 0.10 Euro/MByte and my current damage (since Friday last week) is >> already over 3000 Euro because I was not @home and my Intranet Server >> has tried to download my regular mail... > > so is life w

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, October 15, 2008 17:03, mouss wrote: > you'll find that knowledgeable members do Cc. lies -- Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:36, Michelle Konzack wrote: > DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK? why did you self send this msg cc ? :( -- Benny Pedersen Need more webspace ? http://www.servage.net/?coupon=cust37098

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Wed, October 15, 2008 11:32, Michelle Konzack wrote: > I pay 0.10 Euro/MByte and my current damage (since Friday last week) is > already over 3000 Euro because I was not @home and my Intranet Server > has tried to download my regular mail... so is life when the postman newer got paid, blo

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread mouss
Michelle Konzack a écrit : > DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN When did I CC you? # grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.3 # grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.2 # grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.1 # grep -i "linux4michelle" /var/log/maillog.0 but you did CC me: # grep -i "michell

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
DO NOT SEND ME CCs AGAIN or I will DoS your mailbox too! OK? I have NOT REQUESTED A Carbon Copy. Peoples sending me hundreds of unneeded CCs (over 2 MB per day) making me very angry since this list IS SUBSCRIBER ONLY and I get the messages IF I WRITE HERE! Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Even

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-15 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-13 18:57:09, schrieb mouss: > that's bad. you're contributing to backscatter. if you don't reject at > smtp time, don't bounce (unless you really know the domain you bounce > was "involved"). The Messahes are checked and definitively coming from those domains. I am on GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMT

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued

2008-10-13 Thread mouss
Michelle Konzack a écrit : > Hi *; > > Am 2008-10-08 18:53:00, schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann: > >> On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote: >> >>> I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers >>> change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{ >>> >>> "DIES IST

Re: German for the backscatter-plagued (was: an OT thread)

2008-10-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi *; Am 2008-10-08 18:53:00, schrieb Karsten Bräckelmann: > On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 17:39 +0200, mouss wrote: > > I am learning foreign languages. it would be nice if backscatterers > > change the bounce text so that I learn more :-{ > > > > "DIES IST NUR EINE WARNUNG." I send such crap directly