Stewart, John wrote:
[snip]
The opt-out was to email back to the address and ask to be removed.
The problem was that no one was regularly checking this address.
I spoke to the co-owner again about this and it sounds like they
are putting in a procedure to check this account regularly.
johnS
No
On 5/6/05, List Mail User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Again, there is an unfortunate exception provided by Sec 3.17
> which allows "Transactional or relationship message-" and in particular
> clause A.iii.I specifically allows "notification concerning a change in
> the terms or features of
I'm still torn on whether to show up for my appointment at 1pm. I think
just
because I was treated with contempt by the person I spoke to earlier, I
don't want to give them my money...
Absolutely not. Vote with your wallet.
>>[old material snipped]
>>
>http://www.spamlaws.com/federal/108s877.shtml
>
>Point 1) - "Tell you that you're going to get it when you sign up"
The "standard out" for this is a clause like "and you agree to the
terms referenced on our standard policies page" - which includes a clause
s
> Do I:
>
YOu have pointed out a key several times, but seemingly missed it.
These people are amatuers and newbies to the web. Quite possibly they are
doing this whole thing themselves from a "web foe dummies" book. Almost
certainly they got the idea of a web site from some customer suggesting
List Mail User wrote:
To NOT be "spam" and be *cough* condoned UCE, it must
1) Tell you that you're going to get it when you sign up; or
1a) Send you a notification that you are now being signed up for it.
(Southwestern Bell doesn't seem to do this either, btw. They created a
new list and sig
>...
>
>List Mail User wrote:
>
>
>> JohnS,
>>
>> As many of the regulars on this list can tell you, I *hate* spam
>>as much as nearly anyone here; But... Mike is absolutely correct, what
>>they have done is "slimely", but is not for most purposes "spam" (IANAL).
>>It is UCE (unsolicite
From: "Mike Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Find a creative and positive solution. Educate, be polite, offer to set up
a
> less amateurish mail system that would provide a way for customers to opt
> out of the emailings, ask your wife to learn to cut your hair. But for the
> love of Elvis don't act
From: "Stewart, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Well, I just got a call from the person at the store who is responsible
for
> setting up the technical side of things.
>
> It was not a good conversation.
>
> I was very calm (until the end) and tried to explain why it was a bad
idea,
> what they needed
From: "Chris Santerre" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *snip*
> Do NOT place false appointments. Do not hack site. DO Educate.
>
> Note: Make sure you do all this AFTER they cut your hair :)
{^v^}
From: "Stewart, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Do I:
>
> - Never go there again, as I said would be the case in my previous email?
>
> - Show up and try to convince her what a horrible thing she is doing?
>
> - Just screw with their (horribly insecure) online site, signing up for
> appointments al
List Mail User wrote:
JohnS,
As many of the regulars on this list can tell you, I *hate* spam
as much as nearly anyone here; But... Mike is absolutely correct, what
they have done is "slimely", but is not for most purposes "spam" (IANAL).
It is UCE (unsolicited commercial email),
>...
>From: "Mike Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Confession and rage
>Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:34:00 -0700
>...
>
>[snipped - um, pun intended]
>
>Okay, I'm going to take the devil's
On Fri, 6 May 2005, Stewart, John wrote:
> I'm still torn on whether to show up for my appointment at 1pm. I think just
> because I was treated with contempt by the person I spoke to earlier, I
> don't want to give them my money...
Yes. Anyone who wastes your time and treats you with contempt shou
Stewart, John wrote:
Well, I just got a call from the person at the store who is
responsible for setting up the technical side of things.
It was not a good conversation.
I recall a telephone solicitation ...
I was getting calls from a cemetery about their great real estate
deals ... on the same
Chris Santerre wrote:
*snip*
Cliffs: Hairdresser is spamming anyone with an account.
Do I:
- Show up and try to convince her what a horrible thing she is doing?
Yup.
Yes ... if you show up in person ... as a client ...
she will react differently than to eMail or telephone.
- Simply ban their dom
On Friday May 6 2005 12:45 pm, Stewart, John wrote:
> > >Although not the ideal solution, it will suffice, I suppose.
> >
> > I wouldn't
> >
> > >think at this point (assuming they make this change) that it warrants
> > >submission to any RBLs.
> >
> > I do. I think that if they don't offer an opt
> >Although not the ideal solution, it will suffice, I suppose.
> I wouldn't
> >think at this point (assuming they make this change) that it warrants
> >submission to any RBLs.
>
> I do. I think that if they don't offer an opt out then it
> becomes unsolicited.
The opt-out was to email back t
At 09:17 AM Friday, 5/6/2005, John wrote -=>
Well, I just got another call from the co-owner in charge of the software
side. She is having a disclaimer added to the site so that if you log in and
create an account, it tells you that you will get notified of special
offers, etc.
Of course, if you do
> If the OP has already asked (politely) to be removed, then they are
> indeed spamming. The first mail, I would say is warranted, the mails
> after the opt-out are not.
Exactly; I did ask. However, it appears that they rarely check the account
they have for sender address.
> If they are in th
> LOL yeah, just post her domain name here, and I'll add it to
> uribl.com ;)
> (Thats a URI-BL, not an RBL. The greatest antispam technique
> since blah blah blah.)
>
> Spamcop is always a good place.
Well, I just got another call from the co-owner in charge of the software
side. She is
Mike Jackson wrote:
[snipped - um, pun intended]
Okay, I'm going to take the devil's advocate approach here. By signing
up with them, you created a business relationship. While their emails
may be unwanted, they're not unsolicited. Your righteous indignation is
unfounded - as much as I hate spam
On Fri, May 06, 2005 at 10:28:38AM -0500, Stewart, John wrote:
>
> Well, I just got a call from the person at the store who is responsible for
> setting up the technical side of things.
>
> It was not a good conversation.
>
> I was very calm (until the end) and tried to explain why it was a ba
Agree with these steps 100%!
| >- Show up and try to convince her what a horrible thing she is doing?
|
| Yup.
|
| >
| >- Simply ban their domain from my mailserver and report them
| >to the RBLs?
|
| Yup. And tell her you will. Tell her she is about to get all her emails
| blocked from
>-Original Message-
>From: Stewart, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:30 AM
>To: 'Chris Santerre'; 'users@spamassassin.apache.org'
>Subject: RE: Confession and rage
>
>
>
>> >- Simply ban their domai
[snipped - um, pun intended]
Okay, I'm going to take the devil's advocate approach here. By signing up
with them, you created a business relationship. While their emails may be
unwanted, they're not unsolicited. Your righteous indignation is unfounded -
as much as I hate spam, this is not spam,
> >- Simply ban their domain from my mailserver and report them
> >to the RBLs?
>
> Yup. And tell her you will. Tell her she is about to get all
> her emails
> blocked from 3/4 of the earth.
As I've never actually submitted a domain to any RBLs before, any
suggestions on good ones to use?
th
Well, I just got a call from the person at the store who is responsible for
setting up the technical side of things.
It was not a good conversation.
I was very calm (until the end) and tried to explain why it was a bad idea,
what they needed to do to make it work ethically, etc, how they could
Chris Santerre writes:
>
> *snip*
>
> Cliffs: Hairdresser is spamming anyone with an account.
>
> >
> >Do I:
>
> >
> >- Show up and try to convince her what a horrible thing she is doing?
>
> Yup.
FWIW I had a similar experience. I thought I'd convinced the person
I talked to that spamming w
*snip*
Cliffs: Hairdresser is spamming anyone with an account.
>
>Do I:
>
>- Show up and try to convince her what a horrible thing she is doing?
Yup.
>
>- Simply ban their domain from my mailserver and report them
>to the RBLs?
Yup. And tell her you will. Tell her she is about to get all he
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