Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.09.2015 um 19:24 schrieb Philip Prindeville: Stating facts here, not giving an opinion. Not sure what’s up for debate. if it is empty it's <> aka Null-Sender and you really don't block that because you violating RFC's, block sane autoreplies

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread David Jones
>> I never said it was. >> >> What I said was that when it’s coming from a server that doesn’t >> except inbound messages (and hence can’t generate bounces) THEN it’s >> a sign of Spam. >Since when does a server handling outbound traffic have to accept >inbound mail? >Any setup with more than a do

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread Axb
On 09/24/2015 06:17 PM, Philip Prindeville wrote: On Sep 24, 2015, at 4:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 23.09.2015 um 19:24 schrieb Philip Prindeville: Stating facts here, not giving an opinion. Not sure what’s up for debate. if it is empty it's <> aka Null-Sender and you really don't blo

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread Philip Prindeville
On Sep 24, 2015, at 4:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 23.09.2015 um 19:24 schrieb Philip Prindeville: >> Stating facts here, not giving an opinion. Not sure what’s up for debate. >>> >>> if it is empty it's <> aka Null-Sender and you really don't block that >>> because you violating RFC

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 14:30:42 + David Jones wrote: > I agree with you and Reindl on this point too. I guess what I meant > to say is usually the hardest spam to block with a null sender is > backscatter from a normally trusted/good reputation mail server. Yes, that can be very annoying. Luc

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread David Jones
> >From: Dianne Skoll >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 9:02 AM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom >On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:21:33 + >David Jones wrote: >> I agree with Reindl. You can't block null senders or

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:21:33 + David Jones wrote: > I agree with Reindl. You can't block null senders or you break a lot > of legit emails. Well, if you run your own mail server, you can do whatever you like so long as you accept the consequences. I would say: A null sender is not necessar

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread RW
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:21:33 + David Jones wrote: > > >From: Reindl Harald > >do what you want - a empty envelope from is not a sign of spam > > I agree with Reindl. You can't block null senders or you break a lot > of legit emails. You're agreeing

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread David Jones
>From: Reindl Harald >Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:12 AM >To: Philip Prindeville >Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom >Am 23.09.2015 um 19:24 schrieb Philip Prindeville: >> Stating facts here, not giving an o

Re: Test for empty EnvelopeFrom

2015-09-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.09.2015 um 19:24 schrieb Philip Prindeville: Stating facts here, not giving an opinion. Not sure what’s up for debate. if it is empty it's <> aka Null-Sender and you really don't block that because you violating RFC's, block sane autoreplies usng it to prevent mail-loops and the subje