Re: MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY problems

2007-12-07 Thread Joseph Brennan
triggers the MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY rule on every scan, stating that only a text/html Content type was found, yet there is clearly a plain text version being sent. The main header has Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread Joseph Brennan
Rich Dygert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some investigation I found that a spammer was sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I was getting the back splatter. I cancelled the [EMAIL PROTECTED] account and th

Re: Learning and verifying ham

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Asif Iqbal wrote: > Hi All > > I took a message and learned it as ham like this > > cat email-with-headers | sa-learn --ham > > Now I should expect the exact same email to be considered as ham. Correct? > No. You'd expect the bayes score to go down, but that alone might not be enough. > But

Re: MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY problems

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Iann Gorrill wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have a form that makes use of the phpmail class > (http://phpmailer.sourceforge.net) that for one reason or another, > triggers the MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY rule on every scan, stating that only > a text/html Content type was found, yet there is clearly a pla

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > >>> Maybe the devs can briefly explain how the charset is being determined. >>> Or at least, where exactly in the code one could find it... >>> > > Matt, also, I got a feeling, that logic is what the OP is actually > about. He does not want to leave out what he w

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 03:40 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > It's a rather twisted logic. You don't define what's good or bad (that > again would be a black/whitelist), you leave out what's bad... Hmm, maybe not so twisted after all. ok_locales equals "these are the charset classes I probably c

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > M> or does he think > All we know is users don't think like we do. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ > Fundamentally, SpamAssassin is a tool written by system administrators, for system administrators and advanced users. Like it or not, the project's primary goal has alw

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 02:05 +0100, Stefan Jakobs wrote: > On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:15, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > > Ok. My fault I mistook charsets with country codes. But replace se with > > > ru or ch or greek7. The result is the same. You want one charset to be > > > considered as "n

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Saturday 08 December 2007 01:15, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > Ok. My fault I mistook charsets with country codes. But replace se with > > ru or ch or greek7. The result is the same. You want one charset to be > > considered as "not ham" and you have to give the whole list to the > > paramete

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 23:36 +0100, Stefan Jakobs wrote: > On Friday 07 December 2007 20:42, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > Let's assume, one of them happens to be Swedish. And even though the > > entire communication is English, that ignorant bastard dares to have his > > real name at the bottom o

MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY problems

2007-12-07 Thread Iann Gorrill
Hello everyone, We have a form that makes use of the phpmail class (http:// phpmailer.sourceforge.net) that for one reason or another, triggers the MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY rule on every scan, stating that only a text/ html Content type was found, yet there is clearly a plain text version being

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 07 December 2007 20:42, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > > Stefan Jakobs wrote: > > > Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users > > > are from different countries. Lets assume further on you have no > > > Swed

Re: Learning and verifying ham

2007-12-07 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:34:51PM -0500, Asif Iqbal wrote: > I took a message and learned it as ham like this > cat email-with-headers | sa-learn --ham (Useless use of cat!) > Now I should expect the exact same email to be considered as ham. Correct? Not necessarily. You should expect tha

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > Stefan Jakobs wrote: > > Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are > > from > > different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at > > your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sw

Learning and verifying ham

2007-12-07 Thread Asif Iqbal
Hi All I took a message and learned it as ham like this cat email-with-headers | sa-learn --ham Now I should expect the exact same email to be considered as ham. Correct? But it does not. When I pipe it through spamassassin like following it shows it as spam cat email-with-headers | s

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 14:03 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: > McDonald, Dan wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: > > > >> A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 > >> million a day). After some investigation I found that a spammer was > >> s

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 09:23 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > Also, keep in mind that it's perfectly valid to have multiple ok_locales > statements so: No. :) According to the documentation, "if there are multiple ok_locales lines, only the last one is used." guenther -- char *t="[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 22:42 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And those who really want this effect can just list every locale except > the one they dislike, if that's really what they want. Given the really small number of locales (character sets), this isn't unreasonable t

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread Rich Dygert
McDonald, Dan wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the "i" is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some invest

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread mouss
McDonald, Dan wrote: On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the "i" is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some invest

Re: Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0500, Rich Dygert wrote: > Folks > > I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the "i" is > important, @cs.com is someone else). > > A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 > million a day). After some investigation I fou

Spammer sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2007-12-07 Thread Rich Dygert
Folks I am the postmaster for @compuserve.com and @csi.com (the "i" is important, @cs.com is someone else). A couple months ago my email traffic doubled (from 1 million a day to 2 million a day). After some investigation I found that a spammer was sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I was get

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread jidanni
M> or does he think All we know is users don't think like we do. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ M> how will you benefit from contact with this broader spectrum if M> they're emailing you in a character set you can't read? * Sternstone recalls: I was only 20 years old and had my name in Tamil in m

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Daniel J McDonald wrote: > >> It would be a harmless confusion, but if you specified: >> >> not_ok_locales se >> ok_locales en >> >> The ok_locales would do nothing at all. We'll have to document that >> *very* carefully. >> > > Maybe something like: > ok_locales !se all > Hmm, that's a b

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Matt Kettler wrote: > Stefan Jakobs wrote: > >> Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are >> from >> different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at >> your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden). Then it would be >> nice t

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Daniel J McDonald
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 08:38 -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > Stefan Jakobs wrote: > > Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are > > from > > different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at > > your university (and you get a lot of spam from S

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Matt Kettler
Stefan Jakobs wrote: > Let's assume you running a mailrelay for a university and your users are from > different countries. Lets assume further on you have no Swedish people at > your university (and you get a lot of spam from Sweden). Then it would be > nice to have a not_ok_locales option, bec

Re: the opposit of "ok_locales" ??

2007-12-07 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 07 December 2007 04:42, Matt Kettler wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > MK> I'll be happy to change my assumptions, but can you name any good > > reason MK> why they would want to do so? > > > > The Matt theme: restrict oneself from getting mail from any but a few > > safe people, lang