Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Christian Groessler
On 10/27/20 6:03 AM, Tim via users wrote: This whole idea of "I can't work on this, let's throw it all out and start again" is just incompetence. Well said. I agree. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an emai

Re: firewalld

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/26/20 7:44 AM, Michael J. Baars wrote: I'm writing a client and server program for cluster computation. I noticed that nmap sees a specific port as open on Fedora Server and as filtered on Fedora Workstation when the server is running and sees this port as closed on Fedora Server and as f

Re: firewalld

2020-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 26/10/2020 22:44, Michael J. Baars wrote: Can someone please tell me how to close these ports on Fedora Workstation? And why does nmap report the ports as filtered on Fedora Workstation and as open/close on Fedora Server? I think you're not familiar with nmap and those definitions. filtere

Re: firewalld

2020-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 26/10/2020 22:44, Michael J. Baars wrote: After removing these specific lines from /etc/firewalld/zones/FedoraWorkstation.xml, using firewall-cmd, the ports are still accessible by the client and server program. Another question. Why are you not using either the firewall-cmd command line

Fedora 33, worst bug ever :-).

2020-10-27 Thread Tom Horsley
Installing fedora 33 virtual machine from workstation live image. The little spinning circle on the left of the progress text never spun :-). The text would change indicating progress, but no spinning. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: Fedora 33, worst bug ever :-).

2020-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 27/10/2020 21:15, Tom Horsley wrote: Installing fedora 33 virtual machine from workstation live image. What type of VM? The little spinning circle on the left of the progress text never spun :-). The text would change indicating progress, but no spinning. Not clear.  Did the install com

Re: Fedora 33, worst bug ever :-).

2020-10-27 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 21:42:51 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 27/10/2020 21:15, Tom Horsley wrote: > > Installing fedora 33 virtual machine from workstation live image. > > What type of VM? QEMU KVM using virt-manager > > > The little spinning circle on the left of the progress text never > > sp

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 03:33:58PM +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 08:46 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > > One of the motivations for Wayland was that the X.Org was becoming > > unmaintainable and suffered from design choices that are no longer > > relevant. > > Is it rea

Re: Fedora 33, worst bug ever :-).

2020-10-27 Thread Roger Heflin
When I have looked at code that "spins" (in other software) like that, you often find out the spinning is just a timer to do the spin, and has absolutely no relationship to any actual work being done or not. It is just there to make one think work is being done (so don't power it off) and has abs

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Stephen Perkins
+1 We have become throwers-away rather than fixers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgJ-Wd9hGy8 On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 11:25, Roger Heflin wrote: > I think it is simple, in my experience your assertions are right on > the money. They can't be bothered to learn it and/or they aren't good > enoug

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Roger Heflin
I think it is simple, in my experience your assertions are right on the money. They can't be bothered to learn it and/or they aren't good enough to learn it. If it is difficult for them to learn and/or they cannot learn it then they are doomed to failure on the re-write as they simply aren't good

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2020-10-27 at 10:58 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > X11 is *old* and there is a lot of complexity involved, particularly > when it comes to compositing libraries. Wayland takes the X server > out of the conversation, which can improve security and efficiency, > and also makes implimentati

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Richard Hughes
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 05:04, Tim via users wrote: > This whole idea of "I can't work on this, let's throw it all out and > start again" is just incompetence. I suspect you have no idea how a modern window system works. The hardware shipping in computers now bears little resemblance to what X11 w

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:25:26AM -0500, Roger Heflin wrote: > I think it is simple, in my experience your assertions are right on > the money. They can't be bothered to learn it and/or they aren't good > enough to learn it. If it is difficult for them to learn and/or they > cannot learn it then

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread William Oliver
On Tue, 2020-10-27 at 10:58 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: > > snip. > > X11 is *old* and there is a lot of complexity involved, particularly > when it comes to compositing libraries. Wayland takes the X server > out > of the conversation, which can improve security and efficiency, and > also ma

Help with Thunderbird not getting new messages from imap server

2020-10-27 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I am trying to investigate the cause of not getting new messages from an imap server (using Thunderbird). Any ideas? Thunderbird says I am connected to the imap server. Thanks in advance, Paul ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
You might take a look at: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=x_wayland_situation&num=1 It's 7 years old at this point, but all the things it says about X are still true. In some cases it makes sense to fix up something old, but in other cases like this it really does make sense

Re: An "arp ... pub" replacement?

2020-10-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-10-26 18:02, Steve Hill wrote: 1. Add aliases for all of the addresses onto the internet NIC of the firewall.  You used to be able to create an /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0-range0 file with the address range in it and have the network scripts automatically add the aliases

Re: An "arp ... pub" replacement?

2020-10-27 Thread Steve Hill
On 27/10/2020 17:36, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Maybe your problem is just in how to achieve this with NetworkManager, which is probably not the right tool for these "non desktop" setups. I must admit that I don't have a lot of experience with NetworkManager - I've been clinging onto the old netwo

Re: Strange gpg-agent processes with Fedora 32

2020-10-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-10-26 10:51, Richard Hughes wrote: On Fri, 23 Oct 2020 at 14:24, Jonathan Billings wrote: I'm running f33beta, bu I have also seen these, they're owned by the packagekit systemd service (confirm by running 'cat /proc/2512/cgroup' in your example). PackageKit doesn't use gpg itself, bu

Re: An "arp ... pub" replacement?

2020-10-27 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-10-27 18:52, Steve Hill wrote: This solution certainly works (for the IPv4 case), it just feels like there should be a better way of saying "answer ARP / neighbour discovery for anything in this whole network", rather than having attach each individual IP address to the NIC. For IPv6

F32 can't print

2020-10-27 Thread Robert Moskowitz
HP printer.  First time printing since unsuspending Sat night, but printed fine Friday. Output is just pending in the print queue. I did a 'systemctl restart cups' and no change. I can print fine from another computer, so how do I troubleshoot this and fix it?  Other than a reboot? thanks

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/27/20 9:25 AM, Roger Heflin wrote: Too many people have told me that unlike the past team that failed using a given process,this time we are going to do it the exact same way but we are going to be perfect and not have the same issues and not fail. Aha! The Bullwinkle Syndrome. _

Re: F32 can't print

2020-10-27 Thread Ted Roche
Sometimes my printer enters into a "Paused" state, and this is how I fix it: In a browser window address bar: localhost:631 CUPs appears. Select "Administration" from the top menu bar Click the button for "Manage Printers" Select the affected printer It should display the printer status, in my cas

Re: F32 can't print

2020-10-27 Thread Robert Moskowitz
thanks.  that did it. My message was something else, like job rendering completed, but 'resume printer' got the output out. On 10/27/20 2:30 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Sometimes my printer enters into a "Paused" state, and this is how I fix it: In a browser window address bar: localhost:631 CUPs

off topic -- older centos -- ff sound issue

2020-10-27 Thread bruce
Hi. Feel free to disregard as you see fit. Trying to debug/resolve a sound issue. The base OS is an older Centos 7. It's running FF 78. - pulseaudio is running. Sound works with the Chrome browser. However, can't seem to figure out why sound is not working with FF! The FF app isn't appearing in

install to removable drive?

2020-10-27 Thread Michael Hennebry
Can F32 be installed to a removable drive, e.g. an SD card in a USB SD card reader? If so, any traps or tricks I should know about? -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "Sorry but your password must contain an uppercase letter, a number, a haiku, a gang sign, a heiroglyph, and the blood of

Re: Fedora 33, worst bug ever :-).

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/27/20 6:15 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: Installing fedora 33 virtual machine from workstation live image. The little spinning circle on the left of the progress text never spun :-). The text would change indicating progress, but no spinning. There was (is?) an issue where the spinning icon tak

Re: install to removable drive?

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/27/20 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Can F32 be installed to a removable drive, e.g. an SD card in a USB SD card reader? If so, any traps or tricks I should know about? Yes, it can. If you're doing it on an EFI system, be aware that it will likely replace the existing Fedora boot ent

Re: Fedora 33, worst bug ever :-).

2020-10-27 Thread David
I think it should spin counter-clockwise if installed south of the Equator ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/

Policy regarding opt-out telemetry and privacy

2020-10-27 Thread Olivier Lemasle
Hi all, I'm packaging Open Policy Agent [1] (OPA) for Fedora. However, with version 0.20.0, OPA added a telemetry service, enabled by default, reporting to a OPA-managed service the OPA version, a UUID and the build architecture (cf changelog [2] and privacy information [3]) I didn't find any

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:25:26AM -0500, Roger Heflin wrote: > I think it is simple, in my experience your assertions are right on > the money. They can't be bothered to learn it and/or they aren't good > enough to learn it. If it is difficult for them to learn and/or they > cannot learn it then

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Todd Zullinger
Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:25:26AM -0500, Roger Heflin wrote: >> I think it is simple, in my experience your assertions are right on >> the money. They can't be bothered to learn it and/or they aren't good >> enough to learn it. If it is difficult for them to learn and/

Well done, F33 team!

2020-10-27 Thread SternData
The upgrade was an absolute pleasure. Well done, everyone. -- -- Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en

OT: Checking fedora shell script for errors?

2020-10-27 Thread Michael D. Setzer II via users
Recently, had an issue with firefox script creating a zombie because of an error. They fixed it, but then created another error since missed a space after a [, that was then corrected. In some emails, learned about shellcheck package.. Have done some testing to check scripts, but just started.

Re: install to removable drive?

2020-10-27 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 10/27/20 12:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Can F32 be installed to a removable drive, e.g. an SD card in a USB SD card reader? If so, any traps or tricks I should know about? Yes, it can. If you're doing it on an EFI system, be aware that it will l

Re: An "arp ... pub" replacement?

2020-10-27 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 17:02 +, Steve Hill wrote: > In addition to 198.51.100.1 and 192.51.100.2, the ISP is providing > 28 extra public IPs (192.51.100.3-30), and I want to the firewall to > be able to DNAT those IPs to internal machines, which means it needs > to answer ARP for them. > > The

Re: F32 can't print

2020-10-27 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2020-10-27 at 14:30 -0400, Ted Roche wrote: > Sometimes my printer enters into a "Paused" state, and this is how I > fix it: > > In a browser window address bar: localhost:631 > CUPs appears. Select "Administration" from the top menu bar > Click the button for "Manage Printers" > Select th

Re: install to removable drive?

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/27/20 4:45 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Is F32's installer likely to want EFI? No, it will install in whatever mode the computer was booted in. I have one computer. Asking for help in the middle of an install would be difficult. I'd rather it did not require information I did not already

systemd-resolved + adguard?

2020-10-27 Thread Neal Becker
Since updating to f33 today, adguard stopped working. Any thoughts on how to configure a system to take advantage of both systemd-resolved and adguard (or similar)? Thanks, Neal ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send

system loses HDMI sound device

2020-10-27 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky
This is up-to-date f32 amd64. From time to time I find that I do not have sound, and then pavucontrol shows no configuration is available. Sound is via HDMI to the monitor (TV). The internal sound device is not used. So far the only way out I found is to log out/in, but this is not ideal. Is

Re: systemd-resolved + adguard?

2020-10-27 Thread Lance Lassetter
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 7:55 PM Neal Becker wrote: > Since updating to f33 today, adguard stopped working. Any thoughts on how > to configure a system to take advantage of both systemd-resolved and > adguard (or similar)? > > Thanks, > Neal > __ > I don't see how adgua

Re: Well done, F33 team!

2020-10-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 05:17:29PM -0500, SternData wrote: > The upgrade was an absolute pleasure. Well done, everyone. On behalf of everyone, thanks! -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: systemd-resolved + adguard?

2020-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 28/10/2020 11:10, Lance Lassetter wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 7:55 PM Neal Becker mailto:ndbeck...@gmail.com>> wrote: Since updating to f33 today, adguard stopped working.  Any thoughts on how to configure a system to take advantage of both systemd-resolved and adguard (or similar)?

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Kevin Becker
https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/019/304/old.jpg On Tue, 2020-10-27 at 10:25 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote: > I think it is simple, in my experience your assertions are right on > the money.  They can't be bothered to learn it and/or they aren't > good > enough to learn it.  If it is

Re: An "arp ... pub" replacement?

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/27/20 5:35 PM, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 17:02 +, Steve Hill wrote: In addition to 198.51.100.1 and 192.51.100.2, the ISP is providing 28 extra public IPs (192.51.100.3-30), and I want to the firewall to be able to DNAT those IPs to internal machines, which means it ne

Re: An "arp ... pub" replacement?

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/27/20 10:36 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Maybe your problem is just in how to achieve this with NetworkManager, which is probably not the right tool for these "non desktop" setups. With good old ifcfg scripts you do not even need aliases anymore, I achieve a similar configuration through:

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/26/20 10:42 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/26/20 10:10 AM, Matti Pulkkinen wrote: But there's a chance that, over time, the ecosystem will change around Xorg, and gradually fewer and fewer things will work on Xorg, while more and more things will require the use of Wayland. And that's not eve

Re: X Org Server is abandonware

2020-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 28/10/2020 13:27, Samuel Sieb wrote: I realize that you really don't like Gnome for some reason, but there's no reason to be making false claims like that.  Aside from the various smaller window managers that either already support Wayland or are adding support, there's even a filed Fedora

Re: F32 can't print

2020-10-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 10/27/20 11:30 AM, Ted Roche wrote: Sometimes my printer enters into a "Paused" state, and this is how I fix it: In a browser window address bar: localhost:631 CUPs appears. Select "Administration" from the top menu bar Click the button for "Manage Printers" Select the affected printer It sho