Tom Horsley:
>> My consistent experience is that systemd has no clue when
>> the network is "up" if by up you mean actually capable of
>> talking to other things on the network. Thus all of the
>> dependencies it waits on never wait long enough.
Tim:
> There was a thread about that, last year, I t
I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that when I
upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware but so far
fedora 9 - 20) that I can minimise the risk of (anaconda or whatever the
current insta
This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option in your
nfs fstab entry.
Andy
On Sunday 22 February 2015 21:39:13 Pete Travis wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2015 1:01 AM, "Jens Neu" wrote:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > maybe since 2 weeks (close to upgrade to Twenty_One), my nfs shares are
>
Dear All,
Is there some simple way to convert
fedora-server
to
fedora-workstation ?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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On Monday 23 February 2015 09:10:24 Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
> I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that when
> I upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware but so
> far fedora 9 - 20) that
[snip]
This was a good thread and is tied in with my experience
this weekend. I had a very old laptop with F13 that had not
been booted in years. I tried to load F21 on it using the
same partitions (and keeping the old Windows partitions).
Anaconda more or less let me try but gave me a warning
a
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 09:17 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
> This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option
> in your nfs fstab entry.
Putting fstab entries in is really only useful for what I consider to be
permanently available shares (or drives, if we're not talking abou
On 23.02.2015 01:19, Alex Regan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 02/22/2015 06:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
>>> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>>
Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
And their installers are com
Hi,
I've just installed BackupPC on my home server from the Fedora repos
( Fedora 21 ). It doesn't seem to have installed a systemd service
file. So the question is how do I start BackupPC. I have it installed
on CentOS 6 at work so configuration shouldn't be a proble.
I know I've missed som
Ohh, can someone help?
I would like to install a coffee grinder, multi boot with Fedora if possible?
Coffee Coffee Coffee
http://goo.gl/7nPcsB
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On 22.02.2015 23:55, Matthew Miller wrote:
...
> * I mean, literally: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vision_statement
>
People write all kinds of stuff on the walls, Miller.
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On 23.02.2015 08:44, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2015-02-22 at 15:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> What you're talking about might be in-scope for blivet-gui. It
>> definitely sounds out of scope for a GUI OS installer.
>>
>> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
>> And the
On 22.02.2015 22:17, Jim Lewis wrote:
...
> What did I miss? I did not do anything to the printer during this time.
>
WLAN & AP devices are?
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On 02/22/2015 01:31 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like the Anaconda UI could provide much clearer
explanations of available choices, and the consequenes
of those choices (i.e. their impact on the drives/partitions
that are VISIBLE to Anaconda).
Does it even make sense to Anaconda to worry about creat
On 02/23/2015 10:01 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 02/22/2015 01:31 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like the Anaconda UI could provide much clearer
explanations of available choices, and the consequenes
of those choices (i.e. their impact on the drives/partitions
that are VISIBLE to Anaconda).
Does it even
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Paul Smith wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Is there some simple way to convert
>
> fedora-server
>
> to
>
> fedora-workstation ?
Check the thread on Fedora test@ (see archives if you're not
subscribed), "Convert nonproduct to productX" which is somewhat
related. The gist i
On 02/23/2015 11:01 AM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
On 02/22/2015 01:31 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like the Anaconda UI could provide much clearer
explanations of available choices, and the consequenes
of those choices (i.e. their impact on the drives/partitions
that are VISIBLE to Anaconda).
Does it eve
> On 22.02.2015 22:17, Jim Lewis wrote:
> ...
>> What did I miss? I did not do anything to the printer during this time.
>>
>
> WLAN & AP devices are?
>
I'm using the 5G side of my new Netgear R6200v2 router. I'm on Time
Warner in Oahu using an Arris Surfboard SB6183 modem. No special
configu
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> In my experience, anaconda is the #1 point, many people (ordinary users and
> power users) are complaining about when getting in contact with Fedora and
> is the #1 reason why they are shying away from installing Fedora (When
> talking to n
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:44 AM, Tim wrote:
> While I don't find it hard to believe that Windows developers won't
> complain. After all, just about all Windows users do is install Windows
> as a new install, or over the top of a previous one, with no intention
> of doing anything like dual-boot.
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Andrew R Paterson
wrote:
> I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
> I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that when I
> upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware but so far
> fedora 9 - 20) that I
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Wade Hampton wrote:
> [snip]
>
> This was a good thread and is tied in with my experience
> this weekend. I had a very old laptop with F13 that had not
> been booted in years. I tried to load F21 on it using the
> same partitions (and keeping the old Windows part
On Feb 23, 2015 1:26 PM, "Chris Murphy" wrote:
>
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ralf Corsepius
wrote:
> > In my experience, anaconda is the #1 point, many people (ordinary users
and
> > power users) are complaining about when getting in contact with Fedora
and
> > is the #1 reason why they a
On 02/23/2015 12:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted
then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it
integrated in Anaconda?
One of the constraints on what anaconda can do comes from space
limitations, especially on t
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
> To delete and existing /opt or /home requires explicit user
> intervention for this to happen. It doesn't happen by itself. You have
> to a.) click the mount point, b.) click the minus (-) button to
> indicate you want it removed, and c.) the
On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important
unless you have backups.
First, I'd like to point out that just because the installer isn't
supposed to modify your partitions without your explicitly selecting
them doesn't mean t
On 23.02.2015 21:25, Jim Lewis wrote:
>
>> On 22.02.2015 22:17, Jim Lewis wrote:
>> ...
>>> What did I miss? I did not do anything to the printer during this time.
>>>
>>
>> WLAN & AP devices are?
>>
>
>I'm using the 5G side of my new Netgear R6200v2 router. I'm on Time
> Warner in Oahu usin
On 02/23/2015 01:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I mean... fucking seriously. I'm going to go buy a bucket and a mallet.
Back when I did senior tech support for an ISP, we used headsets with
long cords so that we could move around during a call. I always
arranged things so that I was near a pilla
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> This has been a discussion for quite a while over on the devel list (the
> shortcomings/obfuscation in anaconda). I'd highly suggest that you put
> in your $0.02 over there. I have for quite a while but I guess I don't
> carry a lot of weigh
> On 23.02.2015 21:25, Jim Lewis wrote:
>>
>>> On 22.02.2015 22:17, Jim Lewis wrote:
>>> ...
What did I miss? I did not do anything to the printer during this
time.
>>>
>>> WLAN & AP devices are?
>>>
>>
>>I'm using the 5G side of my new Netgear R6200v2 router. I'm on Time
>> Wa
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 12:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted
>> then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it
>> integrated in Anaconda?
>
>
> One of the constraints on w
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important
>> unless you have backups.
>
>
> First, I'd like to point out that just because the installer isn't supposed
> to modify your p
On Monday 23 February 2015 14:03:17 Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Andrew R Paterson
>
> wrote:
> > I have to say I find this disucssion interesting
> > I have spent what amounts to a small fortune (for me!) making sure that
> > when I upgrade from one version of LINUX
On 02/23/2015 01:48 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Anaconda's supported layouts (usage of device types, and creating
volume associated with mountpoints) is not any different among the
various medias available.
There's a slight misunderstanding here. Having two versions of
anaconda, one for Live medi
On 02/23/2015 01:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
So if there's no bug citation I'm considering this in the realm of
conjecture. It's a unicorn.
I'd prefer to call it a Black Swan: something that shouldn't ever
happen, but not quite as impossible as we think.
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On 02/23/2015 01:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
Neurotic I might be, but that's the way I do an "upgrade" because I don't
trust the installer - yum upgrade - fedup or whatever its next incarnation
might be!
Just as a side-note: I've never had fedup fail me on my laptop or work
correctly on my
On 23.02.2015, Pete Travis wrote:
> "Because that's that I want" isn't a good way to ask for someone else's time.
I didn't ask for someone else's time, but for an explanation why there is a
custom mode which indeed isn't custom . I do not want somebody to implement
something
which fits my speci
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson
wrote:
> But maybe the problem is that not many people install/reinstall/fedup often
> enough to get familiar with it.
Nor should they. Therein lies a huge reason for why I think the scope
is just too extreme when they either have to become fami
I ran "yum update" on my Fedora 20 system a few days ago. I normally
don't do this as something always breaks and in this case it was the
Mate-Terminal. I already had a few terminals open so I can still use the
system. Clicking on either the Terminal icon in the panel, or using
Applications->Mate
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> Bonjour,
>
>
> I can read on this page:
>
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/21/html/Installation_Guide/chap-downloading-fedora.html
>
>
>
> netinstall Image
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On Monday 23 February 2015 15:45:26 Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson
>
> wrote:
> > But maybe the problem is that not many people install/reinstall/fedup
> > often
> > enough to get familiar with it.
>
> Nor should they. Therein lies a huge reason for why
On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote:
I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom
partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for
many years. So, all such options should be made available.
A responder to this thread mentioned that there should be an
"expert" m
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Andrew R Paterson
wrote:
> Hang on there Chris, (new thread really)
> why do you think using a mirror as a backup is a bad idea?
I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm just denying it's a backup. What
you have is a degraded array on the shelf that's at best an incide
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>
> What is the benefit of having anaconda worry about *creating* these
> partitioning schemes (for lack of a better term)?
>
> Wouldn't it be better to ask people to use the regular tools in a live
> media environment for anything other than a v
On 02/23/2015 05:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Right. And I'm still waiting to hear, what ought to be much easier
than answering your questions, examples of what layout the installer
won't let them create; or won't use once precreated elsewhere.
Fair enough. For the record, I don't think it does
On 02/22/2015 12:40 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 09:35:54 -0700,
Stuart McGraw wrote:
I have Postgresql-9.3 installed from the Fedora 21 yum repo
in order to satisfy any packages that need postgresql. But
I need to run Postgresql-9.4 so I disabled the yum postgresql
On 02/22/2015 11:18 AM, jd1008 wrote:
[...]
I have Postgresql-9.3 installed from the Fedora 21 yum repo
in order to satisfy any packages that need postgresql. But
I need to run Postgresql-9.4 so I disabled the yum postgresql
startup via systemd and installed the EDB version of 9.4
into /opt/
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