Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> Fedora will be creating a small stage 1 loader. This wil be signed by > the MS keys, and will inself contain Fedora keys. These fedora keys will Which is therefore non-free and cannot be part of Fedora or shipped with it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or cha

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread William Brown
On 1/06/12 16:38, Alan Cox wrote: >> Fedora will be creating a small stage 1 loader. This wil be signed by >> the MS keys, and will inself contain Fedora keys. These fedora keys will > > Which is therefore non-free and cannot be part of Fedora or shipped with > it. I don't know enough about the l

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 31 May 2012 20:56:03 -0700 JD wrote: > FWIW, perhaps - just perhaps - this is an attempt by MS and redhat > (and perhaps others like Oracle), > to try an convince government customers that a system with a signed > bootloader and kernel and modules, provides for such greater security, > th

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Javier Perez
William. The operating word here is Tiviozation. You can compile the kernel but you can't run it on the system. That is the threat GPL3 is trying to counteract. By creating "valid" kernels, by definition "not valid kernels" cannot run. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:09 AM, William Brown wrote: > On 1

Re: F17 preupgrade

2012-06-01 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 5:44 PM, jarmo wrote: > When closing comp kernel panic, again > can't produce message here, but remember, that can't find shutdown.sh > script was one of messages... Ok, so I think I just went through this same path yesterday. I noticed the upgrade did not correctly set t

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> If you wouldn't mind explaining *exactly* how this would be "non-free", > and why this would exclude this approach, I would be most interested. Free Software is usually defined as providing a set of freedoms - The freedom to run the program, for any purpose Ok not a problem - The freedom to s

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread William Brown
On 1/06/12 16:50, Javier Perez wrote: > William. The operating word here is Tiviozation. > You can compile the kernel but you can't run it on the system. That is > the threat GPL3 is trying to counteract. > By creating "valid" kernels, by definition "not valid kernels" cannot run. > Well, It woul

Twinhead gnome 3 & fallback mode

2012-06-01 Thread William Murray
Dear all, I have a machine with two monitors, using Intel Q35 driver with DRI. Gnome 3 works in fallback mode still in FC17 - I was expecting that would not happen. Did I hope for too much? Bill -- Bill Murray ATLAS STF

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> We're told that Fedora's bootloader is going to get signed – and by that, > that must mean "grub", right? No. A tiny loader before grub with the Microsoft key is the plan. That's actually technically quite smart as it means you don't have to keep going back to Microsoft. Of course in reality b

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Tommy Pham
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Javier Perez wrote: > William. The operating word here is Tiviozation. > You can compile the kernel but you can't run it on the system. That is the > threat GPL3 is trying to counteract. > By creating "valid" kernels, by definition "not valid kernels" cannot run. >

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:58:52 +0930 William Brown wrote: > On 1/06/12 16:50, Javier Perez wrote: > > William. The operating word here is Tiviozation. > > You can compile the kernel but you can't run it on the system. That is > > the threat GPL3 is trying to counteract. > > By creating "valid" kern

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Javier Perez
Tommy, you are exactly right on all of your points. The Fedora people say that they would rather not go back to the times of compatibility lists to find out what hardware worked with the system. I'd rather go back to compatibility lists and give my gold to whichever hardware manufacturer caters t

FW: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread J.Witvliet
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 9:54 AM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions Tommy, you are exactly right on all

Yum upgrading FC17

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
Turns out this can be done although its somewhat scarier than usual http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum#Fedora_16_-.3E_Fedora_17 It worked on my test box fine. The new Fedora kernel crashes all the time, the desktop is in fallback mode and also broken but the upgrade works fi

Misleading Subject title >> Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Frank Murphy
On 31/05/12 21:15, Javier Perez wrote: Looking up the article: "Implementing UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora" at http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html to quote: "(Brief disclaimer - while I work for Red Hat, I'm only going to be talking about Fedora here. A

Re: Solution to RAID /boot issue in fc17?

2012-06-01 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 05/31/2012 06:17 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 14:43:29 +0100, > Alan Cox wrote: >> >> Count yourself lucky - if it can only find part of an old RAID volume eg >> a stale header the FC16 installer just crashed. FC17 has introduced a new >> bug where you can't install on

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 June 2012 08:46, Alan Cox wrote: >> We're told that Fedora's bootloader is going to get signed – and by that, >> that must mean "grub", right? > > No. A tiny loader before grub with the Microsoft key is the plan. That's > actually technically quite smart as it means you don't have to keep goi

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> > Demanding your money back because the board doesn't work as > > advertised cuts even more deeply into their profit margin. > > This might work with smaller retail suppliers and local shops but if > the board was advertised as supporting secure boot then you may find > that argument leaves you

Re: Yum upgrading FC17

2012-06-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/01/2012 01:09 AM, Alan Cox wrote: It worked on my test box fine. The new Fedora kernel crashes all the time, the desktop is in fallback mode and also broken but the upgrade works fine. For certain, non-standard values of "fine," that is. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Need more info: UEFI Secure Boot in Fedora [Long]

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> for the virtual machines and continue the chain. Note that you're > already half-way there with KVM, since most of its code runs in the > kernel itself. Not really. Chunks of kvm run in userspace so you'll now have to sign libc, qemu, every file qemu uses, ld.so , ... This is a general proble

Re: Yum upgrading FC17

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 01:27:34 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/01/2012 01:09 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > It worked on my test box fine. The new Fedora kernel crashes all the > > time, the desktop is in fallback mode and also broken but the upgrade > > works fine. > > For certain, non-standard values of

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
NOTE/PS Yes, I was brave and did read myself back (now I feel pain for you). Doing that, I realized we badly need a very visible FAQ somewhere. Does it exist already? Can we point people to it? Should we write it? Anyway, here goes: On 06/01/2012 05:34 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: positiv

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 09:15 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Now a signed bootloader has its uses, however in a properly designed system you would allow the user to import their own keys. If it goes banana, I'm pretty confident this will be required by law in most sane countries. There are good organizations of a

Re: How to install OpenJDK6 on F17

2012-06-01 Thread Andrew Haley
On 05/31/2012 09:33 PM, Fernando Lozano wrote: >> > OpenJDK6 will no longer get security updates after November 2012: >> > http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/discuss/2012-February/002514.html >> > A large part of the problem is that we will not have access to all the >> > security vulnerabi

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Edward M
On 06/01/2012 01:47 AM, Thibault Nélis wrote: Red Hat has the infrastructure, the resources, the money and the OEM contacts to provide that service itself for itself and for many other FOSS players. It probably just didn't think about it yet (or not enough, this isn't an easy business, and sho

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Edward M
On 06/01/2012 02:53 AM, Edward M wrote: also dont expect many computer manufacuters will be adding the keys in comptuers for consumers, if they do it will not be for long term. CORRECTION: last line should of read: also dont expect many computer manufacuters will be adding fedora

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 09:46 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Out of support releases are also an interesting problem. If a hole is found they need to revoke the key. If they do that the users machine is crippled. It's potentially a criminal matter in many EU states as well so whoever issues the revocation could end u

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 31 May 2012 19:46:08 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > I' m using VLC 2.01 as per the vlc-2.0.1-1.fc17.i686 RPM > > I quickly found that the default audio ' visualization ' plugins included > with VLC 2.x suck so badly that it'd be better if they included no > visualizations AT ALL. > > So

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-06-01 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Stop here, please. Don't rush like that. Anyone else, who finds this > message in the list archives (when searching the Internet), don't run > a command like that. Not only does it install much more than necessary > (even packages for softw

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> in case the system isn't yet infected. All the system has to do is > fetch a new kernel and install it somehow, and if it does, even if it > *is* infected, it would work, since the bootloader is assumed to be secure. What new kernel - the release is by then over a year old so is no longer sup

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/01/2012 04:56 AM, JD wrote: > FWIW, perhaps - just perhaps - this is an attempt by MS and redhat > (and perhaps others like Oracle), to try an convince government > customers that a system with a signed bootloader and kernel and > modules, provi

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Alan Cox writes: On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:58:52 +0930 William Brown wrote: > On 1/06/12 16:50, Javier Perez wrote: > > William. The operating word here is Tiviozation. > > You can compile the kernel but you can't run it on the system. That is > > the threat GPL3 is trying to counteract. > > By c

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Javier Perez writes: Tommy, you are exactly right on all of your points. The Fedora people say that they would rather not go back to the times of compatibility lists to find out what hardware worked with the system. I'd rather go back to compatibility lists and give my gold to whichever h

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Alan Cox writes: > certification key. That's the hood, welded shut, that's absolutely mandatory > for a secured bootloader to have any logical purpose, whatsoever. Correct - and you need to lock it down way more than that. Also I can't see Red Hat directly signing third party binary blobs. If

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Thibault Nélis writes: On 06/01/2012 09:46 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Out of support releases are also an interesting problem. If a hole is found they need to revoke the key. If they do that the users machine is crippled. It's potentially a criminal matter in many EU states as well so whoever issues t

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:59:42 +0100 "Bryn M. Reeves" wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/01/2012 04:56 AM, JD wrote: > > FWIW, perhaps - just perhaps - this is an attempt by MS and redhat > > (and perhaps others like Oracle), to try an convince government > > custo

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> AFAIK, Microsoft is already doing something like that with Windows drivers. > They must be signed by Microsoft, in order to avoid a warning thrown in your > face upon installation. I think that current Windows OS will just refuse to > install an unsigned driver, for any hardware. On curren

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Thibault Nélis writes: Yes, I think that would qualify. No it isn't necessary. You're looking at it the wrong way; basically only the things able to boot kernels and kernels themselves have to be signed and trusted to ensure the integrity of the kernels. Who gets to make a call what is

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
> (for instance now that I'll have to > attempt to compile source code on my own to see if the bug is fixed). https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libprojectM-2.0.1-15.fc17 -- Fedora release 17 (Beefy Miracle) - Linux 3.3.7-1.fc17.x86_64 loadavg: 1.11 0.87 0.79 -- users mailing list users@li

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> Even if this goes extremely bad, firmwares will be hacked. The tech > world always goes on with technical solutions, whether the politics > follow or not. I mean this thing affects *everyone*, it's not a lost fight. Oh certainly: one of the nastier effects of this (and it didn't start with E

RE: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread J.Witvliet
-Original Message- Thibault Nélis writes: > Now, users who buy machines with Windows pre-installed should expect > their firmware to include Microsoft's key, and should be aware that > they can add theirs legally. If they don't want to use Windows and > don't want the trouble of setti

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:11 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: You are assuming that Microsoft will sign a bootloader with such functionality. I would not take that bet. The plan is to make them sign a shim boot loader, which essentially delegates the trust down to Fedora entirely, because they have no cont

Re: remote access via VNC

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Thu, 31 May 2012 22:31:11 +0700 Khemara Lyn wrote: > Thanks, > It is far better than i thought. i would love to try the ssh tunnel and > access by VNC to the display 0 also. Please forgive me for the poor > suggestion. I thought i could help; in fact, i learn new thing from that :). x11vnc

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> Aside from some clear performance wins for not-that-uncommon workloads > (deleting lots of large files, storing large images etc) there's the > fact that most of the attention upstream these days is going into ext4 > - - the earlier ext* file systems are pretty much in maintenance mode today. Yo

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Who gets to make a call what is "trusted", and what even "trusted" means. Can I recompile my own kernel, sprinkle some magic dust over it, and make "trusted", without involving any other party? Yes, you can sign it yourself, with your own key. A

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> And if secure boot isn't enabled by default even on machines with > preinstalled OSes, then the world will gain nothing from the technology > as, again, the people feeding the zombie networks are the same who won't > care to enable it themselves. It's btw a requirement that Windows 8 boxes sh

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-06-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:29:05AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/workspace_names/%gconf.xml You already have a solution, so just adding some background info... Up to GNOME 3.2 (inclusive), Mutter and GNOME shell use gconf to store their settings. As of GNOME 3.4, gsettings is

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: If, all of a sudden, another bootloader gets pushed into Fedora, only a year or so after all the headache and pain of migrating from grub 1 to grub 2, then this will validate our collective take on the subject. With the ability to manage your keys,

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/01/2012 12:15 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 11:59:42 +0100 "Bryn M. Reeves" > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 06/01/2012 04:56 AM, JD wrote: >>> FWIW, perhaps - just perhaps - this is an attempt b

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/01/2012 12:18 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Who gets to make a call what is "trusted", and what even "trusted" > means. Slightly off-topic but a favourite Ken Thomson talk/paper of mine that is very relevant to the discussion of "trust" in softwa

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 01:05 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Just last week, installing the kernel 3.3.7 update made the ACPI backlight intensity adjustment keys on my Thinkpad work, for the first time. Unti now, they never worked. I never bothered to complain. I figure that, sooner or later, the kernel will

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread William Brown
> Now a signed bootloader has its uses, however in a properly designed > system you would allow the user to import their own keys. The problem with this scheme is that a "trusted" os would in theory, with the users permission be able to some how update the trusted key repository on the firmware.

Re: VLC + projectM visualisations = segfault

2012-06-01 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/libprojectM-2.0.1-15.fc17 > Thanks Michael, Downloaded and installed http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/libprojectM/2.0.1/15.fc17/i686/libprojectM-2.0.1-15.fc17.i686.rpm Works for me! FC

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Thibault Nélis writes: Again, you are assuming that Microsoft will sign off on the concept of signing a shim, and going forward, it's the wild-wild West. Not going to happen. Well why wouldn't they? Because that makes the entire concept of a trusted boot, into a trusted operating system,

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Thibault Nélis writes: On 06/01/2012 01:11 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: You are assuming that Microsoft will sign a bootloader with such functionality. I would not take that bet. The plan is to make them sign a shim boot loader, which essentially delegates the trust down to Fedora entirely,

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. > In my case, it was an obvious kernel panic. > > AFAIS, the cause was running a Fedora 16 kernel underneath of Fedora > 17. Preupgrade (rsp. yum and/or grub underneath) obviously did not > up

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 02:27 PM, William Brown wrote: The problem with this scheme is that a "trusted" os would in theory, with the users permission be able to some how update the trusted key repository on the firmware. Which means the security of your machine is as good as the security of your firmware /

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Jeff Gipson
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:53:59AM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. In my case, it was an obvious kernel panic. AFAIS, the cause was running a Fedora 16 kernel underneath of Fedora 17. Preupgra

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> Typically you would only be able to manage the keys via the UEFI > firmware UI, only accessible at boot time. Now of course an attack can UEFI doesn't define UI. Which is a problem for getting any kind of sanity here > be mounted against the firmware, but these are often set up to only > in

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Tim Evans
On 06/01/2012 09:06 AM, Jeff Gipson wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 08:53:59AM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. In my case, it was an obvious kernel panic. AFAIS, the cause was running a Fedora

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
> > Verisign is somehow involved since they will receive the payments; and > > they > > are arguably less biased). Microsoft/Verisign currently ask $100 for the > > signatures. Every time an attacker's malware is detected and blacklisted, > > it would have to pay $100 to a trust broker to

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/01/2012 02:53 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. In my case, it was an obvious kernel panic. AFAIS, the cause was running a Fedora 16 kernel underneath of Fedora 17. Preupgrade (rsp. yum and/o

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 02:40 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: they can't possibly review all the software that could follow the boot loader down the chain, They won't have to. Once they have a signing key that boots their current Windows OS, they have no further need for a certification process. What value ad

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Jeff Gipson
Hrm, for me I still have an F16 kernel that seems to be eclipsing the F17 kernel: mcpierce@mcpierce-laptop:~ $ rpm -qa kernel kernel-3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64 kernel-3.3.7-1.fc17.x86_64 kernel-3.3.6-3.fc16.x86_64 mcpierce@mcpierce-laptop:~ $ uname -r 3.3.7-1.fc16.x86_64 -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Sof

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Joe Wulf
I find it gauling that I could buy standard hardware, either directly from an OEM or resale, and Micro$loth (a software vendor, NOT a hardware vendor) has to be paid blood money, so that free and open source software can be 'approved' for installation. This is wholly inappropriate regardless of

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 02:33 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Because that makes the entire concept of a trusted boot, into a trusted operating system, moot. They are not that dumb. This will enable a piece of PC hardware to boot an operating system, then run virus code that boots Windows' bootloader, infecti

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 03:30:28PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 06/01/2012 02:53 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > >On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>>No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. > >>In my case, it was an obvious kernel panic. > >> > >>AFAIS, the cause

F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
Is there no VLC for fedora-17? Yum install vlc results in "No package vlc available." I've messed wit this for a while to no avail, nothing found in Google has provided a solution. Don't know what I might have done wrong?. Bob -- http://www.qrz.com/db/W2BOD box7

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/01/2012 10:31 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > >Is there no VLC for fedora-17? > >Yum install vlc results in "No package vlc available." > >I've messed wit this for a while to no avail, nothing found in >Google has provided a solution. Don't know what I might ha

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-06-01 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/01/2012 01:14 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >> Aside from some clear performance wins for not-that-uncommon >> workloads (deleting lots of large files, storing large images >> etc) there's the fact that most of the attention upstream these >> days is go

cannot create-md on DRBD with external meta-disk

2012-06-01 Thread Lutz Griesbach
Hi there Fedora17 with drbd 8.3.11 an i am trying to create a resource with external meta-disk: resource cos62 { #meta-disk internal; meta-disk /dev/vg_drbd/lv-cos62-drbd-meta; disk/dev/vg_drbd/lv-cos62-drbd; on fed17-1 { address 10.1.1.23:7789

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 10:43, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/01/2012 10:31 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Is there no VLC for fedora-17? Yum install vlc results in "No package vlc available." I've messed wit this for a while to no avail, nothing found in Google has provided a solu

Re: cannot create-md on DRBD with external meta-disk

2012-06-01 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/01/2012 03:55 PM, Lutz Griesbach wrote: > Hi there > > Fedora17 with drbd 8.3.11 an i am trying to create a resource with > external meta-disk: > > resource cos62 { #meta-disk internal; meta-disk > /dev/vg_drbd/lv-cos62-drbd-meta; - From the

Re: cannot create-md on DRBD with external meta-disk

2012-06-01 Thread Lutz Griesbach
Hey Bryn, Thank you for your answer. On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > > - From the parse error you're getting it seems like drbd is expecting an > index following the device parameter. According to the documentation > that should be optional: > > "meta-disk internal, meta-

Re: cannot create-md on DRBD with external meta-disk

2012-06-01 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/01/2012 04:24 PM, Lutz Griesbach wrote: > as you described but the parse error still appears. > > [root@fed17-2 drbd.d]# drbdadm create-md cos62 drbd.d/cos62.res:8: > Parse error: '[' expected, but got ';' (TK 59) > > Also i am not sure, if the

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread suvayu ali
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >   Ok, well maybe what I need is to get rpmfusion-free installed which >   I don't see in my list of yum repos? I haven't been able to get that >   either. http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration -- Suvayu Open source is the

any suggestions for these F17 upgrade problems (can not boot)?

2012-06-01 Thread Chris Caudle
Hoping someone has some suggestions for helping me recover from these upgrade problems (problems = system will not boot). The system started as F16 with a RT patched kernel from Planet CCRMA. I upgraded to F17 using the install DVD, and after the upgrade install the system console has a continuous

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 12:07, suvayu ali wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Ok, well maybe what I need is to get rpmfusion-free installed which I don't see in my list of yum repos? I haven't been able to get that either. http://rpmfusion.org/Configur

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Tim Evans
On 06/01/2012 10:25 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 03:30:28PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/01/2012 02:53 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. In my case, it was an obvious

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:48:17 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 01/06/12 12:07, suvayu ali wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA > > wrote: > >>Ok, well maybe what I need is to get rpmfusion-free installed which > >>I don't see in

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread JD
On 06/01/2012 04:18 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I don't give a frak about that. I just want to run my own stuff, without anyone else sticking their nose in my personal business. Is that too much to ask? This discussion reminds me of the great Philospher Hegel. The means used by tyrants to ri

Re: Red Hat Will Pay Microsoft To Get Past UEFI Restrictions

2012-06-01 Thread Key Schmidt
Am 01.06.2012 13:17, schrieb Alan Cox: AFAIK, Microsoft is already doing something like that with Windows drivers. They must be signed by Microsoft, in order to avoid a warning thrown in your face upon installation. I think that current Windows OS will just refuse to install an unsigned driver, f

new thread (was Re: Problem shutting down laptop...)

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Tim Evans wrote: > My repo config must not have been reset for fc17 by preupgrade. Having > removed the fc17 kernel, yum cannot find it to (re)install--only sees > fc16 ones. Please do not hijack threads. Start a new thread for your problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 13:33, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:48:17 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: On 01/06/12 12:07, suvayu ali wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Ok, well maybe what I need is to get rpmfusion-free inst

Re: new thread (was Re: Problem shutting down laptop...)

2012-06-01 Thread Tim Evans
On 06/01/2012 03:10 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Tim Evans wrote: My repo config must not have been reset for fc17 by preupgrade. Having removed the fc17 kernel, yum cannot find it to (re)install--only sees fc16 ones. Please do not hijack threads. Start a new thread for your problem. Was

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-06-01 Thread James Wilkinson
> Is there any way to download all the required updates (on a machine that > has Internet access, obviously) and save these downloads for the creation > of the local repository you speak of? Let me clarify. The target system > (with no Internet access) is in a customer site. The development s

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:10:42 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 01/06/12 13:33, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:48:17 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > > >> On 01/06/12 12:07, suvayu ali wrote: > >>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Bob Goodwin

F15 -> F16 Firmware RAID boot issue

2012-06-01 Thread Pete Stieber
I upgraded a Dell PowerEdge 2099 from Fedora 15 to Fedora 16 using a F16 x86_64 net install CD and the machine can't boot: Error 15: File not found Press any key to continue... Then I get an old grub 0.97-71.fc15 screen with an "Upgrade to Fedora 12" message from long ago. I know this is th

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 15:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: Try again. Use cut'n'paste. Don't introduce type mistakes. What you've run is not what I've suggested. [root@box9 bobg]# rpm -e rpmfusion-release-nonfree rpmfusion-release-free error: package rpmfusion-release-nonfree is not installed er

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Elliott Chapin
On 06/01/2012 04:11 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 01/06/12 15:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> Try again. Use cut'n'paste. Don't introduce type mistakes. >> What you've run is not what I've suggested. >> > >[root@box9 bobg]# rpm -e rpmfusion-release-nonfree >rpmfusion-

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:11:19 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 01/06/12 15:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > Try again. Use cut'n'paste. Don't introduce type mistakes. > > What you've run is not what I've suggested. > > > > [root@box9 bobg]# rpm -e rpmfusion-release-nonfre

Fedora-17 installation failure

2012-06-01 Thread Timothy Murphy
I've tried installing Fedora-17 in two ways using a USB stick. First I installed the DVD.iso on a stick with Fedora LiveUSB Creator. This seemed to work fine and installed all the packages asked for, remarkably quickly, and then booted OK. I installed the new system on /dev/sda7, leaving Fedora-16

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:16:06 -0400, Elliott Chapin wrote: > On 06/01/2012 04:11 PM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > On 01/06/12 15:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> Try again. Use cut'n'paste. Don't introduce type mistakes. > >> What you've run is not what I've suggested. > >> > >

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Terry Polzin
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 22:24 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:11:19 -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > > > On 01/06/12 15:53, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Try again. Use cut'n'paste. Don't introduce type mistakes. > > > What you've run is not what I've suggest

Re: How to apply updates to a system with no Internet access?

2012-06-01 Thread Peter Butler
James - thanks for the info. Much appreciated. In answer to your question, the reason for the upgrade on the 'stand-alone' machine is mostly so as to have the latest kernel (3.3.7 as opposed to 3.10) as there are a lot of SCTP fixes with regards to this (still) changing piece of code. -- u

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 16:28, Michael Schwendt wrote: These typos (wrong space characters= in the earlier reply caused too much confusion. It should have been rpm -e rpmfusion-free-release rpmfusion-nonfree-release Sorry. This is very basic RPM usage. One should not simply sit and wait for step-by-ste

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-06-01 Thread Thibault Nélis
On 06/01/2012 04:45 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: Or is the ext4 code able to mount ext3 now (I didn't think so)? I'm pretty sure it is fully backward compatible yes, even with ext2 from what I read. It simply doesn't use all the new and fancy features obviously. -- t -- users mailing list user

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 16:24, Michael Schwendt wrote: Good. So, that raises the question why you have .repo files for rpmfusion repos in /etc/yum.repos.d/? And those are damaged or invalid. Let's continue with the instructions at: http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration What works for you? What doesn't? I

Re: Filesystem format for external hard disk

2012-06-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.06.2012 23:06, schrieb Thibault Nélis: > On 06/01/2012 04:45 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: >> Or is the ext4 code able to mount ext3 now (I didn't think so)? > > I'm pretty sure it is fully backward compatible yes, even with ext2 from what > I read. > It simply doesn't use all the new and f

Re: F-17 vlc/rpmfusion install problem -

2012-06-01 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 01/06/12 17:11, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: Can you download that file with your favourite browser? If yes, userpm -ivh rpmfusion-free-release-stable.noarch.rpm to install it within the directory you downloaded it to. Yes that works: [root@box7 bobg]# wget http:/

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