Re: Partitioning with Anaconda

2022-12-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/3/22 10:34, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Installing Fedora 37 (over 35) from the live boot ISO. I had hoped to preserve the /home partition, but I was unable to figure out how to do that. I was unable, in fact, to figure out how to get custom partitioning to work. My attempts were met with this

Re: Partitioning with Anaconda

2022-12-03 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Dec 3, 2022, at 13:34, Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > Installing Fedora 37 (over 35) from the live boot ISO. I had hoped to > preserve the /home partition, but I was unable to figure out how to do > that. I was unable, in fact, to figure out how to get custom > partitioning to wo

Partitioning with Anaconda

2022-12-03 Thread Geoffrey Leach
Installing Fedora 37 (over 35) from the live boot ISO. I had hoped to preserve the /home partition, but I was unable to figure out how to do that. I was unable, in fact, to figure out how to get custom partitioning to work. My attempts were met with this message: Failed to find a suitabble stage

Re: Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

2022-11-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:56:52 -0500 Chris Murphy wrote: > I only advise doing this if there's a problem (firmware confusion) with GPT. I don't know if there would be a problem or not, I just wanted to do everything the way I always did it because the way I install fedora (to reduce down time) is b

Re: Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

2022-11-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022, at 9:18 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Installing fedora 37 from workstation live iso to a virtual machine. > > I couldn't find any way to partition a blank disk with a msdos > partition table without using the advanced manual partitioning. > Did I miss somet

Re: Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

2022-11-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
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Re: Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

2022-11-20 Thread Barry
he advanced manual partitioning. Did I miss something, or is that the way it works now?It's tickling some brain cells but I think it's 100% GPT by default now.Yep. Use GPT and leave MBR is the pasr.BarryThanks,Richard  ___users

Re: Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

2022-11-19 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 8:19 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > Installing fedora 37 from workstation live iso to a virtual machine. > > I couldn't find any way to partition a blank disk with a msdos > partition table without using the advanced manual partitioning. > Did I miss somet

Can't create msdos partition table without advanced partitioning?

2022-11-19 Thread Tom Horsley
Installing fedora 37 from workstation live iso to a virtual machine. I couldn't find any way to partition a blank disk with a msdos partition table without using the advanced manual partitioning. Did I miss something, or is that the way it work

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-16 Thread stan via users
On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 16:10:55 +0530 Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 10:26 AM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > Which is why he was saying it should be at least 920 GiB, not 999. > > 1TB ~= 954GiB > > > > Exactly. > > Where is all the extra space going ? > > If /dev/sda1 is 512 Mi

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-08-16 at 16:07 +0530, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 8:15 PM stan via users < > users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > > > > 1TB (10**12) != 1 TiB (2**40) > > > > > My doubt was not for the size of the whole disk. > > My doubt was that why is the maxim

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-16 Thread Sreyan Chakravarty
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 10:26 AM Samuel Sieb wrote: > Which is why he was saying it should be at least 920 GiB, not 999. > 1TB ~= 954GiB > Exactly. Where is all the extra space going ? If /dev/sda1 is 512 MiB , /dev/sda2 is 1 GiB and the whole disk is 930 GiB then the remaining root partition

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-16 Thread Sreyan Chakravarty
On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 8:15 PM stan via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > 1TB (10**12) != 1 TiB (2**40) > > My doubt was not for the size of the whole disk. My doubt was that why is the maximum size of the root partition only 829 GiB when the other 2 partitions are 1024 MiB and

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-08-15 7:45 a.m., stan via users wrote: On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 18:13:02 +0530 Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: I have not specified any size for the root partition in the anaconda installer, hence it will use all the remaining space, so it should be at least 920 GiB for the root partition right ?

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-08-15 5:43 a.m., Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: I am doing a clean install of Fedora 33 and I can't understand why all my space is not being used properly. Why 33 and not 34? I have a 1 TB SATA HDD. I have selected Custom Partitioning with Thin LVM Provisioning. These a

Re: Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-15 Thread stan via users
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 18:13:02 +0530 Sreyan Chakravarty wrote: > I am doing a clean install of Fedora 33 and I can't understand why > all my space is not being used properly. > > I have a 1 TB SATA HDD. > > I have selected Custom Partitioning with Thin LVM Provisio

Partitioning not done correctly by Anaconda on Fedora 33

2021-08-15 Thread Sreyan Chakravarty
Hi, I am doing a clean install of Fedora 33 and I can't understand why all my space is not being used properly. I have a 1 TB SATA HDD. I have selected Custom Partitioning with Thin LVM Provisioning. These are my configurations: 1 MiB for /boot/efi (EFI System Partition) 1024 Mi

Re: Have I bricked a PC? -- Hooray. -- Partitioning?

2020-11-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
enty releases ago, when I could do tailored partitions, including iirc a separate /home; but then something changed, somehow, and nowadays I always end up having to go back to the automatic. You still can do it, although with two disks it will help immensely if you understand how partitioning wor

Re: Have I bricked a PC? -- Hooray. -- Partitioning?

2020-11-09 Thread Beartooth
nothing for a long time, then booted F32. :-{ I broke the DVD > with my bare hands; it shattered very satisfactorily. I'll go download > and burn another. Stay tuned. The new DVD did boot F33, and did let me start to install to hard drive. I'm in Anaconda, ready to choose parti

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-12-01 Thread Andre Robatino
I finally dealt with this by doing a F25 install with the separate /home partition, then immediately after the install, using the lvremove, lvextend and resize2fs commands to get rid of the /home partition and add the space to /, basically as described at https://serverfault.com/questions/52496

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-21 Thread fred roller
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Kari Koskinen wrote: > (Partitioning is not something I'm familiar with or good at.) >> > set up a virtual machine and practice. It is easy to assign mount points to existing partitions once you have done it a time or two through the cus

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-21 Thread Kari Koskinen
2016-11-21 0:14 GMT+02:00 Andre Robatino : > > Use a Live version of GParted to do your partitioning first, then > install. > > The machine currently has a clean install of F24 (dual-boot with Windows). > Normally, the installer makes me delete the existing Fedora partitions

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-21 Thread fred roller
> Is there any fairly easy way to achieve this without custom partitioning in the installer? My experience has been that any distro will work with existing partitions ( I had a /Crypt partition which needed mounting install to install plus custom lay out). Use gparted, or somesuch in your

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-21 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 20 November 2016, Andre Robatino sent: > My understanding that after Branched reaches Beta, it's acceptable to > ask on the user list My understanding was that on this user list, you discuss the current releases, only. Anything that's not a current (normal public) release

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2016-11-21 at 01:15 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > I'm not absolutely sure. It's definitely the policy on IRC with #fedora where > /topic currently says "Fedora 23, 24, 25 Beta end-user support". I never use IRC. No special reason, I just don't. I was going to consult the Intro text for

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Andre Robatino
I'm not absolutely sure. It's definitely the policy on IRC with #fedora where /topic currently says "Fedora 23, 24, 25 Beta end-user support". ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedo

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2016-11-20 at 22:50 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > Ask on the Fedora Test list. F25 is not yet released. > > My understanding that after Branched reaches Beta, it's acceptable to ask on > the user list (and F25 is already Gold and will be officially released in 2 > days, at which

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Andre Robatino
> Ask on the Fedora Test list. F25 is not yet released. My understanding that after Branched reaches Beta, it's acceptable to ask on the user list (and F25 is already Gold and will be officially released in 2 days, at which point it wouldn't be appropriate to ask on the test list anyway). __

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2016-11-20 at 22:14 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > > > > Use a Live version of GParted to do your partitioning first, then install. > > The machine currently has a clean install of F24 (dual-boot with Windows). > Normally, the installer makes me delete the existing

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Andre Robatino
> Use a Live version of GParted to do your partitioning first, then install. The machine currently has a clean install of F24 (dual-boot with Windows). Normally, the installer makes me delete the existing Fedora partitions to free up space, then it creates new partitions using the free sp

Re: problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/20/2016 01:39 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: I'm trying to install 32-bit F25 Gold (RC1.3) from the netinst, with custom partitioning. The only reason I need custom partitioning is to avoid creating a separate /home partition. Unfortunately, due tohttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.c

problem with custom partitioning installing 32-bit F25

2016-11-20 Thread Andre Robatino
I'm trying to install 32-bit F25 Gold (RC1.3) from the netinst, with custom partitioning. The only reason I need custom partitioning is to avoid creating a separate /home partition. Unfortunately, due to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1375732 , it won't let me e

SV: Re: SV: Re: partitioning new machine

2015-05-07 Thread birger
Anaconda knows how to do it. Select btrfs instead of lvm, and manual partitioning. I did this on f21, and i am also quite certain i did it in f22 server alpha. For my fresh f22 install on my laptop anaconda wanted to switch from bios to uefi boot, so i used btrfs send to make a backup of /home

Re: SV: Re: partitioning new machine

2015-05-06 Thread Neal Becker
birger wrote: > Look at your current fstab. Are there lines for / and /home? Do they use > the subvol mount option? > Yes they do. My question is, does the f22 installer know how to install into a btrfs subvol? What is the procedure? Do I need to create the new root22 subvol before running

SV: Re: partitioning new machine

2015-05-06 Thread birger
Look at your current fstab. Are there lines for / and /home? Do they use the subvol mount option? Sendt fra min Sony Xperia™-smarttelefon Neal Becker skrev >birger wrote: > >> With btrfs you create subvolumes within the same master volume. >> The default is to have separate subvolumes

Re: partitioning new machine

2015-05-06 Thread Neal Becker
birger wrote: > With btrfs you create subvolumes within the same master volume. > The default is to have separate subvolumes for / and /home. > > When doing a new install you can create a new / with a new subvolume > name within the same btrfs file system. rootfs-22 instead of just > root for exa

Re: partitioning new machine

2015-05-06 Thread birger
With btrfs you create subvolumes within the same master volume. The default is to have separate subvolumes for / and /home. When doing a new install you can create a new / with a new subvolume name within the same btrfs file system. rootfs-22 instead of just root for example. That way you can moun

Re: partitioning new machine

2015-05-06 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 05/06/2015 09:08 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > Last time, I setup 1 big 1TB btrfs partition. I'd like to do a re-install > for f22, and I'm wishing now I had my home on it's own partition - since now > I need to backup and restore my home (about 165GB). > > Or perhaps there is another way? shrink

partitioning new machine

2015-05-06 Thread Neal Becker
Actually, re-partioning old machine. Last time, I setup 1 big 1TB btrfs partition. I'd like to do a re-install for f22, and I'm wishing now I had my home on it's own partition - since now I need to backup and restore my home (about 165GB). Or perhaps there is another way? shrink the 1TB btrfs

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-26 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:49:34 -0600 Chris Adams wrote: > Can we get a list admin to kill this thread? Two people calling each > other names (and more) back and forth is really not that helpful. Yeah. I would have done it sooner but I have been busy and apparently so have all the other list adm

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-26 Thread Chris Adams
Can we get a list admin to kill this thread? Two people calling each other names (and more) back and forth is really not that helpful. -- Chris Adams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listin

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-26 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:04 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/26/2015 07:26 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius >> wrote: >>> >>> On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >>> If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug >>>

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-26 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/26/2015 07:26 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug report, If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then pu

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug >> report, > > If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then > publish updates on a regular basis. M

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug report, If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then publish updates on a regular basis. Monthly network installer iso images, for instance. Stability and

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> But no, you were just being a discourteous >> person. > > > Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for posting > was to create dissension, You keep making these grandiose,

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: But no, you were just being a discourteous person. Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for posting was to create dissension, I've been very, very careful to remain civil and I intend to continue that way. I'm not saying

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> No, my posts are designed to hold people accountable for things they >> say, and insist they provide facts, not mere opinions. If that demand >> just so happens to cause the conjecturing factless tro

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS! No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause dissention, which you've alrea

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS! > > > No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause > dissention, which you've already admitted to doing. No more food

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: By all means unleash your billy goat, because no doubt it can conduct a debate better than you have. Fine debaters, billy goats. I'll bet your billy goat has bugs filed before you do at this rate. Weird is anything you don't approve of. -- users maili

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS! No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause dissention, which you've already admitted to doing. No more food for you, troll. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedorapro

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new >> and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious, >> so I also like causing dissonance in others when I

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
as yet I haven't even said what I would take away from the current GUI installer, only that I wouldn't add any more functionality to it until what we have now is better stabilized. > Just because I don't currently need to create weird > partitioning schemes doesn't mean that

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 02:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: They are provided by default, they're hard dependencies by Anaconda. Thank you; as I've said, it's been years since I've needed to do a clean install of Fedora. As long as they're available, and as long as you can make whatever selections of mount

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious, so I also like causing dissonance in others when I think they're wrong. I see: you're simply a troll. Get back

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
bout Linux is the flexibility. You want to take it away. Just because I don't currently need to create weird partitioning schemes doesn't mean that I don't value it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > An excellent point. If the needed CLI tools are provided by default, that's > all that's really needed, isn't it? (Having this mentioned either in the > installer's instructions or in the on-line Documentation would be a Good > Idea as well.)

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 02:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Why do you need a button in the installer? Why is ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a shell insufficient? An excellent point. If the needed CLI tools are provided by default, that's all that's really needed, isn't it? (Having this mentioned either in the inst

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
mise is refused because it hinges on something that is false: "refusing to patch bugs if you're using Expert Mode". What bugs? What refusal? What Expert Mode? > As far as what corner cases I'm thinking about, when I first started moving > from Windows to Linux I had a very

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
esn't refute me. As far as what corner cases I'm thinking about, when I first started moving from Windows to Linux I had a very odd partitioning layout for Windows, because it allowed me to isolate various projects from each other and limit the disk space they used. At that time,

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with > fdisk or gparted or similar, wich then jumps back to anaconda when > partitioning > is done, which then rereads the disk layout and let me enter the

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that >> providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work >> is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfull

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 01:44 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Since 21 there is no "complete" version. About the only way to not use live media is to use netinstall. So? Next time I do a clean install, that's what I'll use. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:23:32 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: > I've had to do a clean install of Fedora, I've always used the complete > install version Since 21 there is no "complete" version. About the only way to not use live media is to use netinstall. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 01:14 PM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote: I'm not clear how this is better than just running fdisk off the live image before running the installer, though. Well, what about those people who don't install from a live image? When I've had to do a clean install of Fedora, I've always used t

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Mike Wohlgemuth
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 12:56 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/25/2015 12:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > > An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with > > fdisk or gparted or similar, > > I like that. If you don't know enough Linux to use those tools (or how > to read and

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 12:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with fdisk or gparted or similar, I like that. If you don't know enough Linux to use those tools (or how to read and understand whatever help they give) you probably don't know en

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfully disabling things. I doubt that. What we want is a way to

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Heinz Diehl
something like this: a button which opens a shell with fdisk or gparted or similar, wich then jumps back to anaconda when partitioning is done, which then rereads the disk layout and let me enter the mountpoints would suffice. I'm sure that's fewer lines of code than the custom function wh

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
meone's system than it is to strip out all the "expert" stuff and not even offer it in the GUI to begin with. Expert mode is kickstart and the CLI tools that do exactly what you want. > >>> But the converse applies: "A tool which doesn't suffice my needs, will >&

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 24.02.2015, jd1008 wrote: > >> Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition >> the drive, without resorting to external tools. >> But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to >> manually partition th

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
converse applies: "A tool which doesn't suffice my needs, will not be my choice and will loose me as a customer" Yes, but it's a 60+ email thread and the people complaining about Anaconda Manual Partitioning, especially the "custom isn't custom" claim haven'

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-25 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 24.02.2015, jd1008 wrote: > Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition > the drive, without resorting to external tools. > But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to > manually partition their drives. A simple solution would be to do whatever is n

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM, jd1008 wrote: > Provide flexibilty for users who would want schemes other than anaconda's > defaults and very limited partitioning options. Flexibility is not inherently a public good in its own right. It comes with costs, typically exponential. Sto

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Pete Travis
On Feb 24, 2015 11:40 AM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > On 02/23/2015 04:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote: >> >> On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom >>> partition the drive(s) and

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread jd1008
On 02/23/2015 04:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote: On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for many years. So, all such options should be made available. A responder to this

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Chris Murphy
send it in. Most >> developers in this space do listen, but the normal rules of polite human >> interaction and rational discourse do apply. "Because that's that I >> want" isn't a good way to ask for someone else's time. > > But the converse appl

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/23/2015 10:15 PM, Pete Travis wrote: On Feb 23, 2015 1:26 PM, "Chris Murphy" I don't think it came up in this thread, but I've seen partition ordering cited in this context as well: user wants /boot on sda1, / on sda2, /home on sda3, /opt on sda5, /usr/local on /sda6, and so on. In mo

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 02/23/2015 05:36 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Right. And I'm still waiting to hear, what ought to be much easier than answering your questions, examples of what layout the installer won't let them create; or won't use once precreated elsewhere. Fair enough. For the record, I don't think it does

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ian Pilcher wrote: > > What is the benefit of having anaconda worry about *creating* these > partitioning schemes (for lack of a better term)? > > Wouldn't it be better to ask people to use the regular tools in a live > media environment fo

Re: What constitutes a backup, was:F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > Hang on there Chris, (new thread really) > why do you think using a mirror as a backup is a bad idea? I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm just denying it's a backup. What you have is a degraded array on the shelf that's at best an incide

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Ian Pilcher
On 02/23/2015 01:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: I think it does make sense, because users would like to custom partition the drive(s) and live with that partitioning scheme for many years. So, all such options should be made available. A responder to this thread mentioned that there should be an "e

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Andrew R Paterson
fs > subvolume, which is on a volume that / is also going to be created > which normally mandates a reformat which might suggest /home gets > obliterated, but the installer instead creates a new subvolume for / > instead of reformatting, and reuses the existing /home. > > > So I&

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
dozens of /home reuse. It even includes /home on a Btrfs subvolume, which is on a volume that / is also going to be created which normally mandates a reformat which might suggest /home gets obliterated, but the installer instead creates a new subvolume for / instead of reformatting, and reuses the

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 23.02.2015, Pete Travis wrote: > "Because that's that I want" isn't a good way to ask for someone else's time. I didn't ask for someone else's time, but for an explanation why there is a custom mode which indeed isn't custom . I do not want somebody to implement something which fits my speci

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/23/2015 01:54 PM, Andrew R Paterson wrote: Neurotic I might be, but that's the way I do an "upgrade" because I don't trust the installer - yum upgrade - fedup or whatever its next incarnation might be! Just as a side-note: I've never had fedup fail me on my laptop or work correctly on my

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/23/2015 01:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: So if there's no bug citation I'm considering this in the realm of conjecture. It's a unicorn. I'd prefer to call it a Black Swan: something that shouldn't ever happen, but not quite as impossible as we think. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedor

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/23/2015 01:48 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Anaconda's supported layouts (usage of device types, and creating volume associated with mountpoints) is not any different among the various medias available. There's a slight misunderstanding here. Having two versions of anaconda, one for Live medi

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Andrew R Paterson
upgrade from one version of LINUX to another (initially slackware > > but so far fedora 9 - 20) that I can minimise the risk of (anaconda or > > whatever the current installer might be) deciding in its wisdom whilst > > doing the partitioning that it thinks best, blowing away my /opt a

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important >> unless you have backups. > > > First, I'd like to point out that just because the installer isn't supposed > to modify your p

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
ith mountpoints) is not any different among the various medias available. Manual Partitioning behaves exactly the same. What will be new in Fedora 22 is, guided partitioning will offer different defaults for the different products. So you'll need to be more specific what limitations you're t

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > This has been a discussion for quite a while over on the devel list (the > shortcomings/obfuscation in anaconda). I'd highly suggest that you put > in your $0.02 over there. I have for quite a while but I guess I don't > carry a lot of weigh

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/23/2015 01:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: I mean... fucking seriously. I'm going to go buy a bucket and a mallet. Back when I did senior tech support for an ISP, we used headsets with long cords so that we could move around during a call. I always arranged things so that I was near a pilla

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/23/2015 01:03 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: And you have backups right? Because by definition it's not important unless you have backups. First, I'd like to point out that just because the installer isn't supposed to modify your partitions without your explicitly selecting them doesn't mean t

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
it removed, and c.) the installer produces a dialog > indicating it's going to be deleted, along with a cancel button, and > d.) the installer produces a summary of changes at the very end of the > Manual Partitioning process THAT FUCKING HIGHLIGHTS THIS SHIT IN RED > LETTERS indica

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/23/2015 12:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: If you really want partitions, why aren't you doing this with gparted then? What's the problem with that workflow? Why do you need it integrated in Anaconda? One of the constraints on what anaconda can do comes from space limitations, especially on t

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Pete Travis
mörgåsbord > before a total rewrite: everyone is used to their specialty dish in > the buffet and will get totally pissed off when their stinky dish no > one else will touch isn't offered in the revamp. Unsurprising. > > The ordinary user use case should be bullet proof. I argued >

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
ould report that to the user. So there's some missing error checking (which may or may not actually be the installer's fault); and another bug if that error checking doesn't have a practical way of being implemented, the installer needs to simply disallow non-empty /boot as well as o

Re: F21 partitioning circus

2015-02-23 Thread Chris Murphy
- 20) that I can minimise the risk of (anaconda or whatever the > current installer might be) deciding in its wisdom whilst doing the > partitioning that it thinks best, blowing away my /opt and/home partitions - It's comments like this that make me want to grab a metal bucket, put i

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