Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 23/10/2021 18:04, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 14:19 +1030, Tim via users wrote: Nor even is computer literacy a prerequisite for being a tech support person, either:  I had to get my ISP to change their faulty router, that was an exercise in stupidity.  You can't phone th

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-23 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-10-23 at 14:19 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Nor even is computer literacy a prerequisite for being a tech support > person, either:  I had to get my ISP to change their faulty router, > that was an exercise in stupidity.  You can't phone them, you had to > do > it over the internet, i

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Tim via users
Roger Heflin >> LVM is also used to make separate LV's such that critical >> filesystems can have their own space and be protected against >> another filesystem filling up (if you only had a single >> filesystem). Jonathan Billings: > While you can do this with separate partitions with file sys

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread George N. White III
On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 18:11, Roger Heflin wrote: > there are only like 2-3 ways to get it not activated on boot.. > > This is a misconfig of some sort, not random breakage (unless it is metad). > > cat /proc/cmdline > disable/mask lvm2-lvmetad if your fedora version has it, it causes weird > lvm

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Roger Heflin
there are only like 2-3 ways to get it not activated on boot.. This is a misconfig of some sort, not random breakage (unless it is metad). cat /proc/cmdline disable/mask lvm2-lvmetad if your fedora version has it, it causes weird lvm issues (ie random fail to find/enable vgs). Did "vgchange -ay"

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 03:02:29PM -0400, John Mellor wrote: > Yup, but btrfs and zfs also do the same thing, except more elegantly.  One > thing that btrfs does NOT do only on Fedora at this time is fs encryption, > which is super useful on a laptop. I'm unsure why Fedora is still using the > clun

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread John Mellor
On 2021-10-22 1:14 p.m., Roger Heflin wrote: LVM is also used to make separate LV's such that critical filesystems can have their own space and be protected against another filesystem filling up (if you only had a single filesystem). . . . Yup, but btrfs and zfs also do the same thing, exc

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Dave Close
John Mellor wrote: >Anyway you cut this, even if you get the problem fixed, you can no >longer trust that this machine is sane. You have suffered some kind of >critical corruption, and who knows if you've corrected it or whether >there is more undiscovered damage or loss. ... Yep, I've come to

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Dave Close
Roger Heflin wrote: >run "systemd-analyze critical-chain home.mount" and it will show you the >requirements. >And if you find a dependency not working run at "systemctl status " >against it, and that should show you what error it got. # systemd-analyze critical-chain home.mount home.mount @2mi

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Oct 22, 2021, at 13:16, Roger Heflin wrote: > > LVM is also used to make separate LV's such that critical filesystems can > have their own space and be protected against another filesystem filling up > (if you only had a single filesystem). > > There are reasons to use it, especially if you

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Roger Heflin
LVM is also used to make separate LV's such that critical filesystems can have their own space and be protected against another filesystem filling up (if you only had a single filesystem). There are reasons to use it, especially if you don't want filling up a /data only filesystem to impact the OS

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2021-10-22 at 09:09 -0400, John Mellor wrote: > Maybe moving up to a less complex storage system with built-in volume > and raid management and dynamic error detection/correction (like > btrfs or zfs) would also be a better move at this point. I've always queried the point of using LVM by

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread John Mellor
(top-posted due to the length of this thread) Anyway you cut this, even if you get the problem fixed, you can no longer trust that this machine is sane.  You have suffered some kind of critical corruption, and who knows if you've corrected it or whether there is more undiscovered damage or loss

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-22 Thread Roger Heflin
run "systemd-analyze critical-chain home.mount" and it will show you the requirements. I would suspect something going wrong with the activation of the home lv. On boot up do a "lvs" post that info. The Attr column will show if it is activated or not. And if you find a dependency not working

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-21 Thread Dave Close
I asked: > Not sure how to title this issue but I'd appreciate advice. A laptop > running F34 crashed last night and won't start properly since. The > only errors I can see and find in the logs indicate some unknown > issue mounting the /home filesystem. The system has /boot and an LVM > partition

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/21/21 5:15 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Oct 21, 2021, at 00:51, Joe Zeff wrote: I'm not familiar with LVM, but I'm sure there's an equivalent to fsck for it. You might want to boot from a LiveUSB and running it while the partition isn't mounted to make sure there aren't any problem

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-21 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Oct 21, 2021, at 00:51, Joe Zeff wrote: > > I'm not familiar with LVM, but I'm sure there's an equivalent to fsck for it. > You might want to boot from a LiveUSB and running it while the partition > isn't mounted to make sure there aren't any problems there. LVM is not a file system, just

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-21 Thread Roger Heflin
Since it is home, I would edit fstab and change "defaults" to "defaults,nofail" that will result in the system booting up if/when home is missing. Then you can look at what is going on with home with the system booted and all tools. Rule #1: avoid emergency mode and get the system on the network

Re: Startup recovery

2021-10-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/20/21 10:01 PM, Dave Close wrote: It seems apparent to me that there is no problem with the LVM partition or the /home filesystem. So I don't understand why startup is failing nor how to discover the true cause. I'm not familiar with LVM, but I'm sure there's an equivalent to fsck for it

Startup recovery

2021-10-20 Thread Dave Close
Not sure how to title this issue but I'd appreciate advice. A laptop running F34 crashed last night and won't start properly since. The only errors I can see and find in the logs indicate some unknown issue mounting the /home filesystem. The system has /boot and an LVM partition with / and /home. /