Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/26/2015 10:44 PM, g wrote: On 05/26/2015 10:15 PM, jd1008 wrote: <<>> Thanx. I saved the correction. welcome. how about running it to see if you can notice any changing in the temps. over 5 hrs, i am seeing change on this system; cores +/- 2 c board +/- 2 c fans +/- 5

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 11:33 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > I thought that crystal oscillators were used for the same reason > musicians use tuning forks: it doesn't matter how hard you hit them, > you always get the same frequency. They hum (the ringing after the blow) on pitch, for a prolonged period.

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Tim wrote: >> Thermal pad - heatsink compound, similar job. I wouldn't expect >> both to be present, and I'd expect trying both to be a problem >> in itself. g: > if one is good, both are better. ;-) Not necessarily. > pad and paste tim; > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermally_conductive_p

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On 05/26/2015 10:15 PM, jd1008 wrote: <<>> > Thanx. > I saved the correction. welcome. how about running it to see if you can notice any changing in the temps. over 5 hrs, i am seeing change on this system; cores +/- 2 c board +/- 2 c fans +/- 5 rpm nothing drastic. a sample of r

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On 05/26/2015 09:01 PM, g wrote: *WOW* my bad. :-\ hard to believe error slide thru. ((GBWG)) see notation in script. On 05/25/2015 03:17 PM, g wrote: <<>> forget that script. i thought i would expand script with a time stamp so you can better relate to when things change. =+=+=+= #!/bi

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*WOW* my bad. :-\ hard to believe error slide thru. ((GBWG)) see notation in script. On 05/25/2015 03:17 PM, g wrote: <<>> > forget that script. i thought i would expand script with a time stamp > so you can better relate to when things change. > > =+=+=+= > > #!/bin/sh > # fn = log

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On 05/26/2015 03:16 AM, Tim wrote: I'm not. The other guy posed a theoretical question, and I gave a supposed answer. Smack it harder, and it'll ring differently. I didn't say it was going to be a huge difference. I thought that crystal oscillators were used for the same reason musicians us

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/26/2015 05:17 AM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 16:21 -0500, g wrote: >> also, is there a thermal pad between cpu and heat sink? there >> should be one because they help thermal transfer. > > Thermal pad - heatsink compound, similar job. I wouldn't expect > both to be present, and I'

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jdow: > How far do you expect it to change, Grasshopper? Inquiring and bemused minds > want to know. I wouldn't expect much, probably not even significantly. After all, DC biasing with varicap diodes across crystals are used in phase locked loop circuitry (to do the phase locking). And phase lo

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 16:21 -0500, g wrote: > also, is there a thermal pad between cpu and heat sink? there > should be one because they help thermal transfer. Thermal pad - heatsink compound, similar job. I wouldn't expect both to be present, and I'd expect trying both to be a problem in itself.

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On 05/25/2015 04:28 PM, jd1008 wrote: > On 05/25/2015 03:21 PM, g wrote: <<>> >> also, is there a thermal pad between cpu and heat sink? there >> should be one because they help thermal transfer. > > I am not sure. Will have to get back to you on this. > On another different laptop, there was no

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On 05/25/2015 03:21 PM, g wrote: On 05/25/2015 03:26 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/25/2015 02:17 PM, g wrote: <<>> if you have not refreshed thermal paste yet, as a bit of curiosity, run script before and after to also see if there is a change. I ordered the thermal paste (Arctic silver) onli

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On 05/25/2015 03:26 PM, jd1008 wrote: > On 05/25/2015 02:17 PM, g wrote: <<>> >> if you have not refreshed thermal paste yet, as a bit of curiosity, >> run script before and after to also see if there is a change. >> >> > I ordered the thermal paste (Arctic silver) online. > Waiting for it's arr

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 2015-05-25 06:18, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 03:56 -0500, g wrote: would you presume dropping of voltage would cause a great amount of change in a crystal's oscillation? Seems highly tangental to the prior conversation, but possibly yes. Essentially, it's a mechanical vibration, even

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/25/2015 02:17 PM, g wrote: On 05/25/2015 12:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/24/2015 10:22 PM, g wrote: <<>> . before replacing or installing newer cpu, do what has already been mentioned. clean away old thermal paste, apply fresh _white_ *high temp* thermal paste. _do_not_ use a clear pa

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On 05/25/2015 12:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: > On 05/24/2015 10:22 PM, g wrote: <<>> >> . >> before replacing or installing newer cpu, do what has already >> been mentioned. >> >> clean away old thermal paste, apply fresh _white_ *high temp* >> thermal paste. >> >> _do_not_ use a clear paste. clear does

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Allegedly, on or about 25 May 2015, g sent: > basically, crystals are cut to oscillate at designed frequency, with > exceptions being those designed to vary with voltage. Though, still dependent on temperature, and other tuning components around them. > both of which tend towards 'off topic', but

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On 05/25/2015 02:56 AM, g wrote: On 05/25/2015 12:40 AM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 23:22 -0500, g wrote: before replacing or installing newer cpu, do what has already been mentioned. clean away old thermal paste, apply fresh _white_ *high temp* thermal paste. Even just mucking ab

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On 05/24/2015 10:22 PM, g wrote: On 05/24/2015 02:51 PM, jd1008 wrote: <<>> But this machine had been working for years without this recent issue. So, I kind of dounbt it he the graphics chip issue. It's history included the death of the cpu cooling fan, which I replaced. The laptop belonged

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On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 22:48 +0930, Tim wrote: > If you gently pluck a guitar string while tuning it, it doesn't play > the same note as if you very harshly pluck the string. Or, to put in > another way, you pluck a string and let it ring, the note it plays > goes slightly flat before it peters out

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/25/2015 08:18 AM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 03:56 -0500, g wrote: >> would you presume dropping of voltage would cause a great amount of >> change in a crystal's oscillation? > > Seems highly tangental to the prior conversation, but possibly yes. > > Essentially, it's a mechanical

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 03:56 -0500, g wrote: > would you presume dropping of voltage would cause a great amount of > change in a crystal's oscillation? Seems highly tangental to the prior conversation, but possibly yes. Essentially, it's a mechanical vibration, even at a very high rate. If you

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/25/2015 12:40 AM, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 23:22 -0500, g wrote: >> before replacing or installing newer cpu, do what has already >> been mentioned. >> >> clean away old thermal paste, apply fresh _white_ *high temp* >> thermal paste. > > Even just mucking about with the fan (po

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On 05/25/15 05:39, Ronal B Morse wrote: > Keep us posted. -1 I think there may be other lists better suited for PC hardware repair discussions. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscript

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On 05/24/2015 10:46 PM, Tim wrote: It's arcane knowledge that a clock might be off because of a battery on a mains powered PC, not one that the general public would be expected to know about. Now more than ever, at least for the general public. Still, I'd expect an honest computer tech to rec

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On 05/24/2015 10:46 PM, Tim wrote: I wonder if they've actually be designed to that, or people have just observed that behaviour, and made an assumption. I've certainly fixed up a PC with a new battery, one that exhibited no clock problems. The battery was definitely low, resetting the BIOS par

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On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 11:23 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Ever since mobos have had built-in clocks, they've been designed to > start running slow when the battery gets low so that you know it needs > changing. I wonder if they've actually be designed to that, or people have just observed that behavio

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On Sun, 2015-05-24 at 23:22 -0500, g wrote: > before replacing or installing newer cpu, do what has already > been mentioned. > > clean away old thermal paste, apply fresh _white_ *high temp* > thermal paste. Even just mucking about with the fan (poking things about without removing it) can disr

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/24/2015 02:51 PM, jd1008 wrote: <<>> > But this machine had been working for years without this recent > issue. So, I kind of dounbt it he the graphics chip issue. It's > history included the death of the cpu cooling fan, which I replaced. > The laptop belonged to a friend at the time. She

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I still like my guess better, but it's your machine and your money. Keep us posted. RBM On 05/24/2015 01:51 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/24/2015 12:49 PM, Ronal B Morse wrote: On 05/23/2015 11:03 AM, jd1008 wrote: I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU,

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/24/2015 12:49 PM, Ronal B Morse wrote: On 05/23/2015 11:03 AM, jd1008 wrote: I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). I have run the x86 mem t

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/23/2015 11:03 AM, jd1008 wrote: I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). I have run the x86 mem test for more than a day, and found no problems w

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On 05/24/2015 03:54 AM, Tim wrote: Though you usually have clock problems, at the same time, or as a precursor. Ever since mobos have had built-in clocks, they've been designed to start running slow when the battery gets low so that you know it needs changing. -- users mailing list users@lis

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On 05/24/2015 04:54 AM, Tim wrote: On Sat, 2015-05-23 at 11:44 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Cmos battery will not crash the OS. Some hardware does odd things when the battery is going (*). Though you usually have clock problems, at the same time, or as a precursor. You said your clock is fine, but i

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On Sat, 2015-05-23 at 11:44 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > Cmos battery will not crash the OS. Some hardware does odd things when the battery is going (*). Though you usually have clock problems, at the same time, or as a precursor. You said your clock is fine, but is your hardware always connected to t

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On 24/05/15 03:03, jd1008 wrote: > I have an HP laptop with > AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. > It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes > linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). Having recently replaced my notebook, I leave a short tale: Machine woul

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Well, what you comment is difficult to diagnose. Years ago HP struggled with computers with this processor but it was by overheating GPU that is soldered to the motherboard. This is true for certain models of GPUs from nVidia, but I don't know if this is your case, you didn't specify the model of y

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On 05/23/2015 04:44 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, jd1008 > wrote: I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes linux (p

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On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:03 AM, jd1008 wrote: > I have an HP laptop with > AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. > It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes > linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). > > I have run the x86 mem test for more than a day, an

Re: Replacing laptop cpu

On 05/23/2015 11:38 AM, Tod Merley wrote: cmos battery On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Dave Stevens > wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2015 11:03:31 -0600 jd1008 mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote: > I have an HP laptop with > AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor

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cmos battery On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Dave Stevens wrote: > On Sat, 23 May 2015 11:03:31 -0600 > jd1008 wrote: > > > I have an HP laptop with > > AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. > > It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes > > linux (pclin

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On 05/23/2015 11:21 AM, Dave Stevens wrote: On Sat, 23 May 2015 11:03:31 -0600 jd1008 wrote: I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). I have run t

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On Sat, 23 May 2015 11:03:31 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > I have an HP laptop with > AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. > It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes > linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). > > I have run the x86 mem test for more than a day,

Replacing laptop cpu

I have an HP laptop with AMD Turion II X2 mobile processor RM-72 / 2.1 GHz CPU, Socket S1. It is now causing blue screens in windows and freezes linux (pclinuxos, knoppix, fedora live). I have run the x86 mem test for more than a day, and found no problems with the 4GB ram (2GB X 2). I am wonder