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Justin Moore :
> It hasn't (yet) happened while I've been sitting at the computer so I
> can't tell if it's a clean shutdown or a hard reboot. Googling for
> "fedora" or "F32" and "random reboots" or "random crashes" doesn't
> bring up anything particularly helpful.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 10:43, Justin Moore wrote:
> About four weeks ago I upgraded from F30 to F32. I've been using this same
> hardware for a few years now, and it worked fine* under multiple versions
> of Fedora.
>
> However since I upgraded to F32 I've been finding my system randomly
> reboo
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 8:43 AM Justin Moore
wrote:
> About four weeks ago I upgraded from F30 to F32. I've been using this same
> hardware for a few years now, and it worked fine* under multiple versions
> of Fedora.
>
> However since I upgraded to F32 I've been finding my system randomly
> rebo
--- On Sun, 2/27/11, Andras Simon wrote:
> On 2/27/11, Patrick Bartek
> wrote:
>
> > TO: OP
> >
> > If you think it's specifically a Fedora problem (I
> don't), I would install
>
> Me neither. It's just that I still think it's possible that
> it's not a
> HW problem.
>
> > (a real dual boot i
On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 10:33 -0500, Ted Roche wrote:
> Vacuums usually kill electronics because they generate static electricity.
Well, it's always been the suggestion that it's the *moving air* that
generates static electricity, with the velocity being the major factor.
The direction shouldn't rea
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Tim wrote:
> Hmm, I would have thought blowing air in to be more of an issue than
> sucking air out. Blasting air in generally has a lot of force, vacuums
> only have much air force when very close to the nozzle.
Vacuums usually kill electronics because they ge
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 13:57 -0800, john wendel wrote:
> I once killed a motherboard by vaccuming out the dust. Static
> discharge from the vac brush, I think. Don't make the same mistake,
> use a blower or canned air instead.
Hmm, I would have thought blowing air in to be more of an issue than
suc
On 02/27/2011 01:11 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 16:12 -0700, compdoc wrote:
>> 3) While looking in the case, look for bad capacitors on the
>> motherboard and inside the PSU. Click on the pictures to see close up:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
>>
>> 4) If you're using
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 20:08:58 +0100
Andras Simon wrote:
> On 2/27/11, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > TO: OP
> >
> > If you think it's specifically a Fedora problem (I don't), I would
> > install
>
> Me neither. It's just that I still think it's possible that it's not a
> HW problem.
I'm going to
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 16:12 -0700, compdoc wrote:
> 3) While looking in the case, look for bad capacitors on the
> motherboard and inside the PSU. Click on the pictures to see close up:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
>
> 4) If you're using two or more sticks of ram and the sticks
Tim:
>> It should drain away when unplugged. But that doesn't happen instantly.
>> And, if the power supply has a fault, it may hold a charge for longer
>> than you might expect.
compdoc:
> You can unplug the power cord and hit the power button on the PC, and it
> will be gone instantly.
As I sa
Andras Simon gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> *-firmware
> description: BIOS
> vendor: Award Software International, Inc.
> physical id: 0
> version: F10
> date: 01/12/2007
You should update the BIOS (and run in default settings for a longer peri
> >There are lots of cases where reallocated
> >sectors is not a problem
>
> Please explain a situation in which a hard drive developing bad sectors is
> not a problem.
The drive has lots of spare sectors. Some drives will even indicate they
have reallocated sectors at purchase time. What matters
> Even if it has failed you don't want to
>try fixing it unless you are a qualified electrician and
>have appropriate tools for things like earth testing.
You don't repair failed/damaged PSUs and motherboards - you replace them.
>PSU's also fail for another common office reason in some
>configur
On 2/27/11, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> TO: OP
>
> If you think it's specifically a Fedora problem (I don't), I would install
Me neither. It's just that I still think it's possible that it's not a
HW problem.
> (a real dual boot install--not a LiveCD) distro other than Fedora that has
> the same ve
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Andras Simon wrote:
> On 2/26/11, Bruno Wolff III
> wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 20:02:26 +0100,
> > Andras Simon
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The crashes seem to happen more frequently when
> I'm doing something
> >> interactively (even if it's just browsing, running
> yum).
> 5) Inside the PSU, look closely at the mid-sized capacitors where the
> external wires are soldered to the circuit board. (external wires meaning
> those that connect to the mainboard and drives) Also, look at the PSU
> circuit board and its components for indication of high heat. For example,
>
>It should drain away when unplugged. But that doesn't happen instantly.
>And, if the power supply has a fault, it may hold a charge for longer
>than you might expect.
You can unplug the power cord and hit the power button on the PC, and it
will be gone instantly. Also, since the PSU circuit boar
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:35 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
> Well, yes, it can be a hardware failure, but then it's a rather
> strange coincidence that the crashes started happening immediately
> after upgrading to F13 (from F10).
Not really so strange. If you have dodgy hardware, something that
stre
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 17:48 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> I love the whooshing sound deadlines make as they go past, don't you?
;-) There's that feeling of relief as you give in and acknowledge that
you've missed it, and decide to work at your own pace, as it's already
too late. Or give up, and ditch
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 16:12 -0700, compdoc wrote:
> There are no dangerous voltages inside the PSU as long as
> the power cord is unplugged from the wall.
Wrong! In a country with 240 volt mains, the big capacitor in a
switchmode power supply may have around 400 volts across it. For 110
volt cou
On 02/26/2011 05:29 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
> No, I thought it always waited for the most inopportune moment. An
> important deadline, to mention just one possibility... :-)
I love the whooshing sound deadlines make as they go past, don't you?
Seriously, though, there's one even more awkward mo
On 2/27/11, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> Well, yes, it can be a hardware failure, but then it's a
>>rather strange coincidence that the crashes started
>>happening immediately
>
> Don't you know that hardware always waits till new software
> is installed before it breaks? :-).
No, I thought it always wa
On 27 February 2011 06:02, Andras Simon wrote:
>
> I'd love to capture the whole message, but by this time
> the machine is unresponsive, and 30 seconds is way too short for me to
> copy it all.
Its would be useful to know what the _exact_ error message is,
especially if it is consistent every ti
> Well, yes, it can be a hardware failure, but then it's a
>rather strange coincidence that the crashes started
>happening immediately
Don't you know that hardware always waits till new software
is installed before it breaks? :-).
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> Well, yes, it can be a hardware failure, but then it's a
>rather strange coincidence that the crashes started
>happening immediately
I do IT for small businesses, and I fix just these sorts of problems. And I
can tell you from experience - these kinds of coincidences happen fairly
often.
In any
On 2/26/11, JB wrote:
> JB gmail.com> writes:
>
>> ...
>
> # yum install mcelog
>
> # cat /etc/cron.hourly/mcelog.cron
> so, of interest is /var/log/mcelog .
>
> # cat /usr/share/doc/mcelog-.../README
> so, make sure /dev/mcelog is created .
>
> # man mcelog
> DESCRIPTION
>
>
> NOTE:
> ...
>
On 2/26/11, Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
> On 02/26/2011 01:35 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
>> Well, yes, it can be a hardware failure, but then it's a rather
>> strange coincidence that the crashes started happening immediately
>> after upgrading to F13 (from F10). Besides, even if it's a hardware
>> failu
On 2/26/11, Joe Zeff wrote:
> If the OP has an nVidia card and is using their drivers (either directly
> or through kmod-nvidia) and has the screensaver set to random, it's a
I'm using the nouveau driver and no screensaver.
> possibility. Several years ago I had the same issue and found, by
>
On 02/26/2011 12:01 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
> On 2/26/11, Patrick Dupre wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a similar problem and a FC13 and on a FC14 machines.
>> It seems to be due to the screensaver.
>
> I see nothing here that would point in that direction.
> Of course, you never know...
>
If the O
On 02/26/2011 01:35 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
> On 2/26/11, Heinz Diehl wrote:
>
>> Most likely, this is some kind of hardware failure. I have fixed many
>> machines which passed memtest over a period of more than 3 days by
>> changing the memory modules. A BIOS bug, an overheated chipset and/or
>>
JB gmail.com> writes:
> ...
# yum install mcelog
# cat /etc/cron.hourly/mcelog.cron
so, of interest is /var/log/mcelog .
# cat /usr/share/doc/mcelog-.../README
so, make sure /dev/mcelog is created .
# man mcelog
DESCRIPTION
NOTE:
...
On newer kernels it can also be triggered directly us
On 2/26/11, JB wrote:
> Get familiar with this:
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-server-predicting-hardware-failure.html
Thanks, but as I said earlier, mcelog reported nothing.
Andras
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On 2/26/11, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a similar problem and a FC13 and on a FC14 machines.
> It seems to be due to the screensaver.
I see nothing here that would point in that direction.
Of course, you never know...
Andras
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On 2/26/11, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 20:02:26 +0100,
> Andras Simon wrote:
>>
>> The crashes seem to happen more frequently when I'm doing something
>> interactively (even if it's just browsing, running yum). This morning
>> it was running for hours under heavy load with
Hello,
I have a similar problem and a FC13 and on a FC14 machines.
It seems to be due to the screensaver.
I reported the bugs, one today. For the other one, I never got
any feedback !
Regards.
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==
Patrick DUPRÉ
On 2/26/11, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> Most likely, this is some kind of hardware failure. I have fixed many
> machines which passed memtest over a period of more than 3 days by
> changing the memory modules. A BIOS bug, an overheated chipset and/or
> CPU, faulty memory or simply a chip on your mainboa
Andras Simon gmail.com> writes:
> ...
> If X runs, then it dies and only a blank console with a cursor at the
> upper left corner can be seen for half a minute; then reboot starts.
> Otherwise, there's a longish message on the console about a machine
> check exception, saying a lot of things, su
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 20:02:26 +0100,
Andras Simon wrote:
>
> The crashes seem to happen more frequently when I'm doing something
> interactively (even if it's just browsing, running yum). This morning
> it was running for hours under heavy load with no problems, but
> crashed a few minutes a
On 2/26/11, agraham wrote:
> On 02/26/2011 05:33 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
>> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 18:21 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>>> My desktop machine started having random crashes last summer when
>>> I installed Fedora 13 (x86_64) on it.
>> (snip)
>>
>> A bit more information would help us mak
On 2/26/11, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 18:21 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> My desktop machine started having random crashes last summer when
>> I installed Fedora 13 (x86_64) on it.
> (snip)
>
> A bit more information would help us make some useful suggestions --
Sure!
> What kin
On 26.02.2011, Andras Simon wrote:
> My desktop machine started having random crashes last summer when
> I installed Fedora 13 (x86_64) on it. Now I upgraded to Fedora
> 14, and this has only got worse: before, uptimes could be
> anything between 3 minutes and a month, now it's a few hours
> at m
On 02/26/2011 05:33 PM, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 18:21 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> My desktop machine started having random crashes last summer when
>> I installed Fedora 13 (x86_64) on it.
> (snip)
>
> A bit more information would help us make some useful suggestions --
>
> Wha
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 18:21 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
> My desktop machine started having random crashes last summer when
> I installed Fedora 13 (x86_64) on it.
(snip)
A bit more information would help us make some useful suggestions --
What kind of hardware? (lshw can be useful here)
What kin
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 18:21:05 +0100,
Andras Simon wrote:
>
> I never found anything interesting in the logs.
Did you notice any other patterns?
I have seen hard to track down bugs that were correlated with system activity.
For example I am pretty sure there is a bug with resyncing software
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