Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-14 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 4:43 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > Just wondering why some values of EnvironmentFile variable in the > services files are as follows (output of grep): > > /usr/lib/systemd/system/irda.service:EnvironmentFile=-/etc/sysconfig/irda > /usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service:EnvironmentFil

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 20:26, Ntlworld wrote: > Do the rest of us on this list have to read this stupid thread? No, you don't. -- If I wanted a blog or social media I'd go elsewhere -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 20:11 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 19:15, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Maybe if you > > had just given the straight dope instead of insisting it was easy > > to > > find we wouldn't be having this discussion. > > I suppose so. Yet one hopes that at least one per

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ntlworld
Do the rest of us on this list have to read this stupid thread? Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Aug 2015, at 01:42, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 08/13/15 08:01, Ed Greshko wrote: >> Being that it was a very specific question the 2 words were easy to divine. > > And, if I had my coffee, I probably w

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 19:15, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Maybe if you > had just given the straight dope instead of insisting it was easy to > find we wouldn't be having this discussion. I suppose so. Yet one hopes that at least one person could learn a few more commands/methods of doing research from th

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 08/13/2015 06:15 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Maybe if you had just given the straight dope instead of insisting it > was easy to find we wouldn't be having this discussion. +1 -- Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe." -- u

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 18:24 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 18:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 17:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > throws up a whole bunch of of hits which don't include the word > > > > Environme

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 18:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 17:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> throws up a whole bunch of of hits which don't include the word >>> EnvironmentFile. >> Oh, I think I parsed your statement wrong. I should have

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Christopher Ross
On 13/08/15 11:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 17:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: throws up a whole bunch of of hits which don't include the word EnvironmentFile. Oh, I think I parsed your statement wrong. I should have read it a

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 17:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > throws up a whole bunch of of hits which don't include the word > > EnvironmentFile. > > Oh, I think I parsed your statement wrong. I should have read it as > "more than EnvironmentFile conta

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I still await some identification of where the general rule is > specified. Maybe you will wait forever on that question, which wasn't asked until now. And which I missed as the *not* in the next sentence shows as bold in T-Bird and it drew my eye

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > throws up a whole bunch of of hits which don't include the word > EnvironmentFile. Oh, I think I parsed your statement wrong. I should have read it as "more than EnvironmentFile contains that syntax such as ExecStartPre". But that then results in

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 16:38, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 16:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/13/15 16:17, Christopher Ross wrote: >>> So if your glib statement "The answer you seek is in the man >>> pages." is true I cannot find it. >> man -K EnvironmentFile >> >> takes you first

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 16:30 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 16:17, Christopher Ross wrote: > > So if your glib statement "The answer you seek is in the man > > pages." is true I cannot find it. > > man -K EnvironmentFile > > takes you first directly to SYSTEMD.EXEC(5). Where you type >

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 16:30, Ed Greshko wrote: > Konsole output The konsole5 bug bites again. That should not have been included in the paste... -- If I wanted a blog or social media I'd go elsewhere -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 16:17, Christopher Ross wrote: > So if your glib statement "The answer you seek is in the man pages." is true > I cannot find it. man -K EnvironmentFile takes you first directly to SYSTEMD.EXEC(5). Where you type /EnvironmentFile which brings you to the definition of EnvironmentFi

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Christopher Ross
On 13/08/15 08:52, Christopher Ross wrote: On 13/08/15 01:42, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/13/15 08:01, Ed Greshko wrote: Being that it was a very specific question the 2 words were easy to divine. And, if I had my coffee, I probably would have used "-K" and a single word before resorting to googl

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 15:52, Christopher Ross wrote: > On 13/08/15 01:42, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/13/15 08:01, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Being that it was a very specific question the 2 words were easy to divine. >> >> And, if I had my coffee, I probably would have used "-K" and a single word >> before resor

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-13 Thread Christopher Ross
On 13/08/15 01:42, Ed Greshko wrote: On 08/13/15 08:01, Ed Greshko wrote: Being that it was a very specific question the 2 words were easy to divine. And, if I had my coffee, I probably would have used "-K" and a single word before resorting to google. Recalling, again, this to have been a v

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 08:01, Ed Greshko wrote: > Being that it was a very specific question the 2 words were easy to divine. And, if I had my coffee, I probably would have used "-K" and a single word before resorting to google. Recalling, again, this to have been a very specific question with a very un

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 07:52, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 07:46 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/13/15 07:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> If the man pages are clear it shouldn't be necessary to use a >>> search >>> engine to find essential information on basic system functionality.

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 07:46 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 07:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > If the man pages are clear it shouldn't be necessary to use a > > search > > engine to find essential information on basic system functionality. > > What if the info you're looking for relates

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2015-08-12 at 19:32 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 00:26:55 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > What if the info you're looking for relates to getting your net > > connection to work? > > That's what smart phones are for :-). (I've used mine more than > once while tr

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 07:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > If the man pages are clear it shouldn't be necessary to use a search > engine to find essential information on basic system functionality. > What if the info you're looking for relates to getting your net > connection to work? I'm not interested in g

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 00:26:55 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > What if the info you're looking for relates to getting your net > connection to work? That's what smart phones are for :-). (I've used mine more than once while trying to find out how to beat systemd into submission) -- users mailin

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 05:40 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 05:34, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 05:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 08/13/15 04:43, jd1008 wrote: > > > > Just wondering why some values of EnvironmentFile variable in > > > > the > > > > services fi

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 05:34, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 05:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 08/13/15 04:43, jd1008 wrote: >>> Just wondering why some values of EnvironmentFile variable in the >>> services files are as follows (output of grep): >>> >>> /usr/lib/systemd/system/irda.ser

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2015-08-13 at 05:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/13/15 04:43, jd1008 wrote: > > Just wondering why some values of EnvironmentFile variable in the > > services files are as follows (output of grep): > > > > /usr/lib/systemd/system/irda.service:EnvironmentFile= > > -/etc/sysconfig/irda >

Re: Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/13/15 04:43, jd1008 wrote: > Just wondering why some values of EnvironmentFile variable in the > services files are as follows (output of grep): > > /usr/lib/systemd/system/irda.service:EnvironmentFile=-/etc/sysconfig/irda > /usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service:EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/

Q about Environment files of systemd

2015-08-12 Thread jd1008
Just wondering why some values of EnvironmentFile variable in the services files are as follows (output of grep): /usr/lib/systemd/system/irda.service:EnvironmentFile=-/etc/sysconfig/irda /usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service:EnvironmentFile=/etc/sysconfig/sshd So, what's with the hyphen after =