Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
Dave Ihnat wrote: To a large degree, a Windows box is protected from the internet by NAT in the router, ... NAT is not a security protection. At best it's obfuscation. And if someone comes into a LAN via it's WAP, they're on the _inside_, so NAT doesn't apply, and they're behind the router b

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-21 Thread J.Witvliet
...@yahoo.com.au] Verzonden: Thursday, February 21, 2013 05:52 PM W. Europe Standard Time Aan: Community support for Fedora users Onderwerp: Re: Odd Question, Wifi Tim: >> To a large degree, a Windows box is protected from the internet by >> NAT in the router, ... Dave Ihnat: > NAT is

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-21 Thread Tim
Tim: >> To a large degree, a Windows box is protected from the internet by >> NAT in the router, ... Dave Ihnat: > NAT is not a security protection. At best it's obfuscation. Yes, I know. Poor choice of words, on my behalf. It's somewhat buffered, in that NAT often gets in the way. But it's n

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/20/2013 06:36 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: NAT is not a security protection. At best it's obfuscation. Security isn't just one thing; it's a set of layers. NAT is one of them. Nothing more, but nothing less either. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Dave Ihnat
Once, long ago--actually, on Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 06:46:05AM CST--Tim (ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au) said: > If you didn't know your neighbour well enough, in the first place, to > mention in passing that their wireless was unsecured, that approach > would be about the only thing I'd attempt to do

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2013-02-20 at 08:48 +, Junk wrote: > Have you tried printing a stack of small leaflets and posting them > through neighbours doors? Maybe with an infographic showing the perils > of open access wifi. Or maybe knocking on doors and talking. If you didn't know your neighbour well enough,

RE: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread J.Witvliet
From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:40 PM To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Odd Question, Wifi On 02/19/2013 03:13 PM, JOYCE POLZIN wrote

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 08:48:31AM +, Junk wrote: > Have you tried printing a stack of small leaflets and posting them > through neighbours doors? Maybe with an infographic showing the perils > of open access wifi. Or maybe knocking on doors and talking. Or, let your neighbor continue to be ne

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Junk
On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 15:10 -0500, Jim wrote: > Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to > contact the owner about his connection. > > I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. Have you tried printing a stack of small leaflets and posting them thr

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 03:40:05PM -0500, Jim wrote: > No I'm not a Wardriver, I just think the guy shouldn't be using a > Unsecured AP, It leads to nothing but trouble down the road, when a > hacker logs on to his open AP and starts hacking the Dept of Defence > and the FBI shows up at his door o

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread David G . Miller
Jim comcast.net> writes: > > Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to > contact the owner about his connection. > > I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. Use nmap to find the actual host IP addresses of systems on his network and then use th

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Bill Davidsen
Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 04:07 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security configuration. How would you

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 19.02.2013 22:51, schrieb Jim: > I got his world IP and I used "whois" and it says that it is a "This is a > Ripe Database query service, The objects > are in RPSL format" > > What is this ?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whois http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIPE signature.asc Description:

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their prin

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:56 PM, Todor Petkov wrote: On 19/02/2013 10:52 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Steven Stern
On 02/19/2013 03:26 PM, Jim wrote: > On 02/19/2013 04:07 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print >>> queue warning them. >> Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the >> se

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Todor Petkov
On 19/02/2013 11:20 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:56 PM, Todor Petkov wrote: Try to open www.whatismyip.com, look at the IP address and call the ISP to warn the user. the IP address that the AP shows is a local 192.168.x.x and is not a world IP. You can a private IP from the AP, but t

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 04:07 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security configuration. How would you do that ? Th

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:56 PM, Todor Petkov wrote: On 19/02/2013 10:52 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Steven Stern
On 02/19/2013 02:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print > queue warning them. Clever idea! Print out the manual pages for their router with the security configuration. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Todor Petkov
On 19/02/2013 10:52 PM, Jim wrote: On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/19/2013 12:40 PM, Jim wrote: I do have some very good neighbours and hate to see one hauled off to jail for something he wasn't aware of. Another possible problem is having a neighbor connect to your WiFi and download so much video content that you find yourself hitting your bandwidth c

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/19/2013 12:10 PM, Jim wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. I used to know a man who'd log onto them, then put a job in their print queue warning

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
On 02/19/2013 03:13 PM, JOYCE POLZIN wrote: Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. -- Wh

Re: Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread JOYCE POLZIN
- Original Message - Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. -- What do you want to do? Wardrive around your neighborhood and then start knocking on doo

Odd Question, Wifi

2013-02-19 Thread Jim
Is there any way a Unsecure Wifi connection, one can determine how to contact the owner about his connection. I can't visualise how , but I just thought I would just ask. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproje