Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 02 November 2012, Timothy Murphy sent:
What is an "end user", as a matter of interest?
Is it a polite term for "newbie"?
I would say, especially in this conversation, that it's the person who
will be using the computer, rather than those creating the software.
Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 01.11.2012 04:55, schrieb Junayeed Ahnaf:
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post from
Michael isn't looking too good
either: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
so what
often i would love there would not be a
Alan Cox wrote:
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post from
Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almo
Am 05.11.2012 21:38, schrieb Bill Davidsen:
> If it were a new version of something else, wouldn't it just be pushed off to
> the next release? Other things have
> been put off, sometimes amid great outcry from those wanting the latest. Why
> is anaconda being forced in now, when
> it will undo
Frank Murphy wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:45:21 +0100
Timothy Murphy wrote:
Ian Malone wrote:
And the move to F18 does mean a big
functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is.
Is there something wrong with the current Anaconda?
In relation to Fedora 17, no.
But dracut
Ian Malone wrote:
On 1 November 2012 16:31, wrote:
Personally, I think the problem is the obsession with regular upgrades to
new versions on a rigid schedule whether an upgrade is warranted or not, not
the fact that they're failing in that obsession. If I have Fedora 17
installed and things
Ian Malone wrote:
On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
from Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:55:28PM +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
>
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse
On 11/03/2012 04:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
We can make an educated guess the he hasn't registered with at the imageshack
site. If you're not registered and logged in, you can't view that image.
FWIW, I'm not registered there but I had no trouble seeing it.
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Allegedly, on or about 03 November 2012, Frank Murphy sent:
> I never registered , I viewed it.
Likewise.
And that, folks, is how you do a "me too..." ;-)
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On 11/03/2012 08:30 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:57:08 +0800
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> On 11/03/2012 07:39 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:33:59 -0200
>>> Lailah wrote:
>>>
I would like to see that image but I couldn't. What happened?
>>> As we are
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:57:08 +0800
Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 11/03/2012 07:39 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:33:59 -0200
> > Lailah wrote:
> >
> >> I would like to see that image but I couldn't. What happened?
> >>
> > As we are not using your PC.
> > How can we possible know!
On 11/03/2012 07:39 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:33:59 -0200
> Lailah wrote:
>
>> I would like to see that image but I couldn't. What happened?
>>
> As we are not using your PC.
> How can we possible know!
We can make an educated guess the he hasn't registered with at the im
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:33:59 -0200
Lailah wrote:
> I would like to see that image but I couldn't. What happened?
>
As we are not using your PC.
How can we possible know!
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El vie, 02-11-2012 a las 05:26 +1030, Tim escribió:
> On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 12:42 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> >
> > http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6580/bodysnatcherstroll.jpg
>
> I was trying to figure out what a body snatcher stroll would look like
> (a zombie shuffle?), before I clic
Over and over again, what crap! Please take your futility off list.
Thanks
Roger
ok, dude, what makes an assumption reasonable? unreasonable?
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Charles Zeitler
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a
>> > member of homo sapiens?
>> >
>> yes. given a set of assumptions, valid ( or invalid ) deduc
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
>
> If the developers aren't testing the stuff as they write it then I'm
> rather surprised. And you've trimmed the bit where we were talking
> about Anaconda. Quick testing is going to be an install in a VM,
>
Developers can test all they wan
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote:
>
> > So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a
> > member of homo sapiens?
> >
> yes. given a set of assumptions, valid ( or invalid ) deductions and
> arguments
> can be made- but the assumptions *themselves* a
On 02.11.2012 18:08, Tim wrote:
> I think the Fedora project needs to have a good think about what
> they're doing. If they want it to be a geek thing, like it's been so
> far, that's all well and good, but don't pursue conflicting goals (as
> it seems to be going, now). If they want it to be for n
Allegedly, on or about 02 November 2012, Timothy Murphy sent:
> What is an "end user", as a matter of interest?
> Is it a polite term for "newbie"?
I would say, especially in this conversation, that it's the person who
will be using the computer, rather than those creating the software.
I still t
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 12:56:16PM +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:45:21 +0100
> Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> > Ian Malone wrote:
> >
> > > And the move to F18 does mean a big
> > > functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is.
> >
> > Is there something wrong
Am 02.11.2012 13:43, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
>
>> End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need
>> stability and predictability.
>
> What is an "end user", as a matter of interest?
> Is it a polite term for "newbie"?
someone who does USE it's c
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:45:21 +0100
Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Ian Malone wrote:
>
> > And the move to F18 does mean a big
> > functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is.
>
> Is there something wrong with the current Anaconda?
>
In relation to Fedora 17, no.
But dracut has intr
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:43:35 +0100
Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
>
> > End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need
> > stability and predictability.
>
> What is an "end user", as a matter of interest?
> Is it a polite term for "newbie"?
>
Normally a
Ian Malone wrote:
> And the move to F18 does mean a big
> functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is.
Is there something wrong with the current Anaconda?
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Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
> End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need
> stability and predictability.
What is an "end user", as a matter of interest?
Is it a polite term for "newbie"?
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On 01.11.2012 04:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date,
> what do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt
> it's adoption rate to end users?
End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need
stability a
Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release deadlines
are beneficial.
Maybe instead of Delayed Again headlines could it have a positive spin?
May be for headlines to say "NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IN FEDORA FOR
UPCOMING RELEASE.
Personally, I'm glad that Fedora's attitude is, "W
On 2 November 2012 03:46, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 07:44 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>> That's actually my point. If they're in the middle of a re-write then
>> yes there are going to be bugs and they probably know what they are.
>
> That's just not a valid assumption to make.
>
If the dev
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 10:28 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote:
>>>
>>> That's just not a valid assumption to make.
>>>
>>
>> ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>)
>>
>> cfzeitler
>>
>
> So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a
On 11/01/2012 10:28 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote:
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
That's just not a valid assumption to make.
ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>)
cfzeitler
So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a
member of homo
On 11/01/2012 03:10 PM, Roger wrote:
Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release deadlines
are beneficial.
Maybe instead of Delayed Again headlines could it have a positive spin?
May be for headlines to say "NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IN FEDORA FOR
UPCOMING RELEASE.
Personally, I
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> That's just not a valid assumption to make.
>
ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;>)
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On 11/01/2012 07:44 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> That's actually my point. If they're in the middle of a re-write then
> yes there are going to be bugs and they probably know what they are.
That's just not a valid assumption to make.
Rahul
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 09:10:39AM +1100, Roger wrote:
> Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release
It's not supposed to be bleeding. It's supposed to be leading. I mean that
very seriously. That's the mission. And it needs to work in order to support
that.
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On 11/1/2012 10:01, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:55:28PM +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
>> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
>> do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt it's
>
> Ubuntu has also shipped a known-broken
On 1 November 2012 22:10, Roger wrote:
>
> Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release deadlines are
> beneficial.
You do need some kind of plan.
> Maybe instead of Delayed Again headlines could it have a positive spin?
> May be for headlines to say "NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IN
On 11/02/2012 07:50 AM, ven...@billoblog.com wrote:
If what you mean though is the 'rigid schedule' bit, then yes that
seems to be part of the problem. And the move to F18 does mean a big
functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is. It
seems that the work on the installer was i
On 01.11.2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
> Ubuntu has also shipped a known-broken release just to meet the date. We
> don't do that.
Right so!
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Yes, I mean the second. I appreciate the ability to go in and type "yum
update" all the time for all the great bug fixes and such. It's the
have-to-do-a-full-version thing on a rigid schedule I don't think is necessary.
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Ian Malone wrote:
On 1 November 2012 16:31, wro
On 1 November 2012 16:31, wrote:
>
> Personally, I think the problem is the obsession with regular upgrades to
> new versions on a rigid schedule whether an upgrade is warranted or not, not
> the fact that they're failing in that obsession. If I have Fedora 17
> installed and things haven't chan
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 12:42 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6580/bodysnatcherstroll.jpg
I was trying to figure out what a body snatcher stroll would look like
(a zombie shuffle?), before I clicked on the link and saw what it
was. ;-)
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On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 13:20 +, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> Also what do you think does more damage shipping broken
> code or shipping late ?
Damage to the users, or the product?
Microsoft's been shipping damaged goods for as long as they've been
around, hasn't stopped them from doing it, but has mad
>
> Also what do you think does more damage shipping broken
> code or shipping late ?
>
The jokes almost write themselves: "And with Fedora, we get both!" *ducks*
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Personally, I think the problem is the obsession with regular upgrades to
new versions on a rigid schedule whether an upgrade is warranted or not,
not the fact that they're failing in that obsession. If I have Fedora 17
installed and things haven't changed so much, then just upgrade the
exis
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:55:28 -0400
Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:37:56PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > > Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
> > > Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
> > It may be written so but in that case then the current Fedora project is
> >
finally free software DOES not need the same bullshit as marketing
driven comanies do "release for the sake of a release and let
us fix broken things sometimes in the future"
>
I totally agree.
2012/11/1 Reindl Harald
>
>
> Am 01.11.2012 04:55, schrieb Junayeed Ahnaf:
> > I'm seeing that Fedor
Am 01.11.2012 04:55, schrieb Junayeed Ahnaf:
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good
> either: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
so what
often i would love there would not be any announced releas
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
> do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6580/bodysnatcherstroll.jpg
> Doesn't it hurt it's adoption rate to end users?
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this
> post from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
I still sleep at night.
> Distro like Ub
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:37:56PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
> > Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
> It may be written so but in that case then the current Fedora project is
> lousy at aiming in the direction it intends 8)
Let's just say ther
On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:55 +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date,
> what do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt
> it's adoption rate to end users?
It's irrelevant. New end users will use the current release. Up
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:03:42 -0400
Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 01:20:07PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
>
> Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
It may be written so but in that case then the current Fedora project is
lousy at ai
On 1 November 2012 12:59, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 11/01/2012 05:56 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
>> Well, I'm not about to start hacking on Anaconda for all sorts of
>> reasons. If everyone on this list started contributing patches I doubt
>> that would actually get us closer to a 'solution'. Writing
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 01:20:07PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> Fedora isn't aimed at "end users".
Sure it is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 02:55:28PM +1100, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
> do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt it's
Ubuntu has also shipped a known-broken release just to meet the date. We
don't do that.
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Hello,
I'
It seems that F18 will be the first version where the recomended way of
installation will be installation of the previous version and distribution
upgrade ... :-).
Vaclav M.
On Nov 1, 2012 3:55 AM, "Junayeed Ahnaf" wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already,
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
>
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almos
On 11/01/2012 05:56 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
> Well, I'm not about to start hacking on Anaconda for all sorts of
> reasons. If everyone on this list started contributing patches I doubt
> that would actually get us closer to a 'solution'. Writing code for
> the component in question isn't a prerequis
On 1 November 2012 11:56, Lawrence Graves wrote:
>
> On 11/01/2012 05:06 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
>>
>> On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
>>>
>>> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what
>>> do
>>> you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it
On 11/01/2012 05:06 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
from Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like Ubu
On 1 November 2012 03:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post
> from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
>
>
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails
Why bother 18? There's stupid naming going on for 19.
Where hell you guys are rushing?
Belive me, there's end of a rope.
Jarmo
Seems to me that releases herald yet another way of designing and
managing a new Linux system with emerging technologies.
It does not matter if releases are delayed, n
On 11/01/2012 03:56 PM, jarmo wrote:
Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf kirjoitti:
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this
post from Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like
Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf kirjoitti:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this
> post from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
>
>
> Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 14:55:28 +1100
Junayeed Ahnaf wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this
> post from Michael isn't looking too good either:
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
I'd take that article with a grain of salt
Hello,
I'm seeing that Fedora 18 has been delayed 5 times already, and this post from
Michael isn't looking too good either:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIxODk
Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what do you
think about Fedora's consecu
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