Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> https://plus.google.com/106327083461132854143/posts/SbnL3KaVRtM
Super! Good to know.
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Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> I have 2 Seagate FreeAgent Go 1Tb drives. These are portable drives
> that get their power through USB. Both these drives are about 1
year
> old. Every time I login I get a notification that both these drives
may
> be going bad. The reason is too many bad sectors. On
Reindl Harald wrote:
> 00-system-setup-keyboard.conf
> # This file is autogenerated by system-setup-keyboard. Any
> # modifications will be lost.
>
> Section "InputClass"
> Identifier "system-setup-keyboard"
> MatchIsKeyboard "on"
> Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
> Option "
Patrick Lists wrote:
> Does anyone have an idea how I can make these keys work?
There used to be something about atkbd messages in /var/log/messages, but I
believe that is only for the old PS/2 keyboards and not USB keyboards. I don't
know what built-in laptop keyboards are classed as.
Keep us
Ed Greshko wrote:
> When I rebooted I made sure not to request NTP as an option. Also, I
> picked "Advanced" when creating the first user an picked UID/GID=1000.
Great stuff!
> So, that answers another issue raised on this list earlier. :-)
But there's still the issue of Fedora using the pref
Bruno Martins - GALILEU LISBOA wrote:
> I'm having problems with booting Fedora 14 X64 after I clone the hard disk
> with Clonezilla.
>
> Disk imaging goes nices until it reaches the end, when it tries to
> reinstall GRUB on the target hard disk. It hangs, but I can boot that disk
> one time. Onc
夜神 岩男 wrote:
>
>> This is well put :-) I believe you meant to say that you always choose
>> UIDs/GIDs >= 1000.
>
> Indeed I did... that sort of typo is the kind that leaves a sleepy coder
> scratching his head sometimes ヽ(ｏ`皿′ｏ)ﾉ
>
> I'm glad you got the idea anyway. I've found this to be a sim
?? ?? wrote:
> Every time
> you create a user on any system, specify the UID & GID explicitly, and
> always use UIDs/GIDs <= 1000. Fedora doesn't care if you have a UID much
> higher than 500, but Debian does care if your UID is lower than 1000 (in
> fact, the man page for "useradd" on Fedora even
JD wrote:
>> Machine one..johan 1000:1000
>> Machine two ..johan 500:500
This is the problem I had with Debian and friends.
Fedora starts users at 500, while Debian&c uses 1000. So, if you use the same
username on both, you now have the same user with both 500 and 1000 uid. When
you log back i
Johan Scheepers wrote:
> I have a multiple boot internal drive (different linux
> flavors)(excluding windows).
>
> Have a external usb drive for backup between these different systems.
>
> Now booting in a different flavor the permissions change to numbers.
>
> My normal permission is johan joh
Johan Scheepers wrote:
> Looking around to buy a new laptop.
I like Intel.
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Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> I just wanted to ask if someone has any advice to themes for Gnome2 (I
> am running F14) that are reputed to be gentle on the eyes?
I know you are looking for a full easy-eye theme, but...
What I have done (in KDE), is to select any theme I like and to change
the
Tim wrote:
> Backing up configuration files can be handy, too
You bet. I keep a number of config files in my backup, since I spent a
lot of time configuring them and like to restore that configuration in
future editions of Fedora. Of course, I always compare to make sure that
the new system st
Ed Greshko wrote:
> Isn't Chrome source code available? I thought it was.
That doesn't help me a lot.
I took 2 years of Computer Science back in the early 80s (learned
pascal, c, assembly language, fortran) and I can still understand short
pieces of code, but when it gets complicated or much
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> google-chrome --help
good idea. I never thought of running it that way.
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Ed Greshko wrote:
> Are you concerned that Chrome maybe doing something evil?
Yes. even though I do use google services, I don't trust them and I have never
trusted their browser or their addon toolbar, etc. I use firefox and like it,
but I wanted to have a look at chrome, because of its recent
I just nstalled Google Chrome to test it. Immediately, it asked to open
Kwallet. I allowed it, and then I thought... Yikes! Should I have done that?
Why does Google chrome need to see the contents of Kwallet even before I have
visited a web site and while all I am doing is configuring it? Is it
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> My solution:
>
> mount user stuff to /home/you/mountpoint.
>
> Eg. I mount my Documents partition and my Backup partition to
> /home/me/Documents and /home/me/Backup. This way, I am the owner and I
> don't have to with changing the o
james tate wrote:
> On a backup drive /mnt/home/tom , I want to change all directories and
> files in tom to owner:tom .
>
> The drive is mounted but from /home the command chown -R tom tom is not
> changing the directories and files to owner, tom .
>
> Command chown -R tom:tom tom won't chang
Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> Then you should know to run needs-restarting when it has finished to check
> for this yourself.
Thanks for the info. Finally, after so many years, I *do* understand how it is
meant that it is not required to reboot.
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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> The upshot is that if a process has a file open, and that file is
> replaced by a different one (using unlink and creat) then the process
> will continue to use the old file and all its attributes. When the
> process closes the file, or terminates, the reference disapp
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> needs-restarting
Never heard of it. I will definitely man it and add it to my repertory of
knowledge.
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Andrew Haley wrote:
> How could it be otherwise?
If a file has been deleted, the proper thing would be for the running process
to read the new copy into memory.
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Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> For a couple of releases now the graphical updater tools have supported
> the ability to warn the user when this is the case. If you were using
> these tools then you should have received such a warning.
I run yum from the command line, as I feel I have both more control a
It is common knowledge that one does not need to reboot for updates to take
effect in GNU Linux.
However, in actual practice, this is not so. I could cite many examples, but
this should suffice:
On Sunday evening, I installed a new updates-testing version of mesa and then I
suspended the machi
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> you do have to worry about it
> rewriting your grub bootloader.
Absolutely correct!
I boot into rescue mode and reinstall the grub bootloader to the MBR of
/dev/sda. This is the only little 'glitch'. Once Windows is installed, however,
it has no further effect.
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Frode wrote:
> Questions:
> 'Olde' knowledge says that only one primary partition can be visible
> to the system at one time. Is this not longer true?
Don't quote me (DQM), but I think this only applies to Windows. DQM, but I
think grub doesn't care. I boot systems installed on partitions that
Aaron Konstam wrote:
> But: chkconfig --level 35 nfs on
>
> would start on entering runlevel 3 and 5 and not on entering runlevel 2
> 4. Are you saying you can't arrange to do that in systemd. Is that
> considered a step up?
As I understand it (could be inaccurate :-) ), there are no run levels
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> My knowledge
> of systemd is limited only to what I had to figure out to fix the systemd-
> related subset of everything that was utterly broken after updating from
> F14 to F15.
Same here. I had to rewrite all of my scripts. Just really easy stuff, like
starting a daemo
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> This is specified by the service unit. systemd uses a slightly different
> paradigm. The service itself knows what system state it should be running
> in, by default. Enabling the service puts it as a target for the state.
I'm glad you know what you're talking about. It's
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> I'm not sure how you would differentiate between multi-user.target and
> graphical.target.
I just remembered that multi-user.target is a subset of graphical.target, so
this should likely cover your needs.
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Aaron Konstam wrote:
> eqwuivalent to: chkconfig --level 35
To start it during this session:
systemctl start .service
To start every time you start graphical.target:
systemctl enable .service
I'm not sure how you would differentiate between multi-user.target and
graphical.target.
Don't quo
nomnex wrote:
> so, the '&' part is superfluous when I pass the command in
> my bashrc file
I believe so, but don't quote me. Try it: it should work.
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nomnex wrote:
> What's the '&' for [?]
If you don't use the '&' at the end of the line, the program will run, but the
command line will be hung until the program is terminated. If you put the '&'
oat the end of the command, then the running program goes into the background,
I believe, and you
nomnex wrote:
> what's the setxkbmap command to use the menu key? There is no
> right alt on the JP keyboard layout on my notebooks.
I use KDE and there is a graphical interface to set it. However, I am guessing
that you can likely find success with:
setxkbmap -option compose:menu &
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Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
> íïéë - Iḿ almost loving it... :)
Tell me about it. It's like you can actually type freely and don't have to look
at character charts to type words.
> All I need to learn is which alt I need
> to type to get the apostrophe, and not an m with an accent...
apostrophe
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I don't even have a Menu key, nor anything labeled Windows
I hate those damned windows keys, but they are handy as spare keys to be mapped
to useful functions that windows does not have.
I can use menu as compose, and the left windows key is actually meta, if I am
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> BTW all of these use Right Alt, not Left Alt.
Yes, right alt and left alt are not the same thing. On German keyboards, left
alt is called alt and right alt is called Alt-Gr, so you can see that they are
different. Even on a US international keyboard, right alt m pro
Tim wrote:
> f you take lessons, though. The keyboard layout becomes second nature,
> quite quickly. You can do that with a program, you don't need to go to
> a school. While it may seem overkill, for many, but if you do a lot of
> email, or programming, or any other regular typing. It's worth
Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
> in F15 the settings are under System
> Settings -> Region and Language -> Layout.
I don't know which version of kde you are using, but in fedora 15, with
kde-4.6.3, there is no layout under systemsettings/locale region and language.
Layouts are shown under:
system
Antonio Olivares wrote:
> You can use the compose command and set it up in ~/.bashrc
> Add a line
>
> setxkbmap -option compose:ralt &
I use the menu key, to the right of right-alt, since right-alt is also known as
Alt-Gr and it has a different function than left-alt.
left-alt-m does not print
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> The hardest to remember are ¿ and ¡
Really?
¿ is alt-/ (shift-/ is ?)
¡ is alt-1 (shift-1 is !)
I find those really obvious.
I just found ç and Ç. They're also somewhat obvious, but not based on the c.
ç is alt-,
Ç is shift-alt-,
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Joe Zeff wrote:
> No. They were arranged that way to minimize the possibility of keyboard
> jams in early manual typewriters.
True. Now that you mention it, it jogs my memory.
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Tim wrote:
> Ever more, the need for the standard QWERTY keyboard (and its ilk) to be
> abandoned has increased. It's inadequate for anything more than primary
> school beginner's English.
I've always wanted a keyboard that has the letters arranged in order. It
makes no sense for me, and likely
nomnex wrote:
> I used to simultaneously press , and keys.
> Release "U" key and enter Unicode symbol's hex code
Holy Moley! But you have to memorize the unicode hex code for each character.
You're right, it doesn't work in KDE.
> Linux compose key sequences method is a gem
I like them, too,
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Or diacritical+space, which works all the time. I speak as one with an
> apostrophe in my name :-)
I have an ü :-) but in English, I usually just use ue.
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JB wrote:
> - going beyond system init replacement
> - not adhering to UNIX principles (modularity, etc)
> - interference with sysadmin duties/decisions to set up the system (e.g.
> loading modules on its own and e.g. enabling sys capabilities and
> protocols)
It would be nice if there were m
Actually, I modified it a bit more, as I couldn't quite get it to do the whole
download, so I put this in my .bashrc
function fid () { echo $( ps -fu peter | egrep 'libflashplayer\.so' | egrep
'npviewer.bin' | egrep -om 1 -E '\<[0-9]+\>' | head -1 ) ; }
All I do is type fid to get the flash id
Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:26:57 -0400
> james tate wrote:
>
>> At one time Youtube videos were being temp. downloaded while playing
>> to the /tmp directory where you could save from, but now it seems
>> that is no longer the case.
>>
>> Where are they being temp. downloaded to
Roelof 'Ben' Kusters wrote:
> I'm using the US English keyboard, and am so used to that, I don't want to
> change the layout.
I type a lot in German and French and I also use the US 104-key generic layout.
In systemsettings/input devices/keyboard/layouts, you can select US-
international with de
Tom Horsley wrote:
> For me, I can't get all flash pages
> to work unless I completely remove nspluginwrapper
Never had that one! For me, nspluginwrapper has been a saviour. I used to not
be able to open more than one youtube video tab at a time, without having
firefox lock up and then all of
Andre Robatino wrote:
> I removed the cd instructions from the wiki after reading
> it and deciding they weren't necessary.
Suit yourself. It is a wiki, and as I understand it, it can be edited by any
contributor. If you are privy to information that supercedes the current
information, then you
Andre Robatino wrote:
> If the command IS actually necessary, it would also be good
> to determine if it's necessary to do the cd command first, and remove it
> if not, for the same reason.
That is for experts to ascertain.
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Tom Horsley wrote:
> That's what the "site:" syntax in google searches if good for :-).
Thanks for the tip! I will definitely be using it.
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Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> Should I just put in a fake number to see if it will work?
The fake telephone number worked. I am now a contributor, but I don't know what
I can contribute. I will see if I can add the nspluginwrapper stuff I had
mentioned earlier in this thread to the
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Feel free to pitch in and add more details.
I now have an account, but I am unable to complete the contributor agreement,
because the program refuses to accept my agreement without a telephone number.
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Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Wiki can be edited by anyone with a Fedora account. If you don't have
> one, you can get it within minutes
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts
>
> Feel free to pitch in and add more details.
Sure, I can get one. But I should also add that I am not an expert and
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> Then, I run, as root (not sure if you need to cd
> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, but it can't hurt, just in case):
>
> mozilla-plugin-config -i
>
I forgot to mention, in case you are copying the tarball by hand into the
plugin directory... Make
Christian Kreibich wrote:
> I've upgraded a 64-bit test box from F14 to F15, and am not impressed.
> For starters, the 32-bit Flash plugin no longer works in Firefox. Most
> pages using it stall the browser for 10-15 seconds, then I get a
> black/grey rectangle. I've followed the instructions
> ht
Tom Horsley wrote:
> For me, this did the trick:
>
> cd /etc/fonts/conf.d/
> ln -s ../conf.avail/10-autohint.conf .
Thank you so much for bringing this to my/our attention!!!
I have also had the spindly fonts in KDE (in Okular, too) and noticed that
they were thin and wiry up to size 13 and th
FHDATA wrote:
> C. I used F14 32bit install media and it sees
> p0 as /dev/sda1 and it sees p1 as /dev/adb
>
> D. Fedora 14 install completes successfully
> During which it was instructed to install
> boot loader onto p1 and to leave alone /dev/sda1 ...
>
I would suggest installing Fedora
Eric B. wrote:
> I have no idea what
> those error messages mean. I am extremely frustrated, and it is
> becoming increasingly difficult to work with a laptop that I cannot
> hibernate as I take it back and forth to the office every day.
I had a similar problem and have not tried to hibernate fo
Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 03/06/2011 03:14 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
>> I didn't see anything that is. That is about files with the extension
>> .md, while I was asking about a file called .rnd (. r n d).
>>
>
> While that is true, you can always type .rnd in
Fred Erickson wrote:
> Is this relevant?
> http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/md
I didn't see anything that is. That is about files with the extension .md,
while I was asking about a file called .rnd (. r n d).
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Craig White wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 15:28 -0700, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
>> There is a file in my home directory called .rnd. I presume it is the
>> seed for a random number generator. What program creates/uses it? I ran
>> yum provides */.rnd and nothing at all tu
There is a file in my home directory called .rnd. I presume it is the seed for
a random number generator. What program creates/uses it? I ran yum provides
*/.rnd and nothing at all turned up.
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Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> bfo.org
Sorry, that should be bfo.iso from boot.fedoraproject.org.
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Christian Langer wrote:
> Any suggestions?
Try:
sudo chown root:root splash.xpm.gz
Also, run, for selinux' sake:
sudo restorecon -v '/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz'
Since you cannot boot, you will need to do after booting from a rescue disk.
bfo.org or boot.iso should work, or, I believe, the orig
This ain't the sixties, man! Just quit.
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g wrote:
> maybe not for some who are not used
> to man pages.
Actually, I am intimately familiar with man pages; however, the only commands I
know are space bar, 'b', 'q' and the mouse wheel.
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Heinz Diehl wrote:
In Fedora is there a better email Browser ?
>
Kmail. I've been using it for over 10 years, and it has never failed me yet.
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g wrote:
> man bash
The man page for bash is the worst one of all! I use man all the time for all
kinds of commands, but anything to do with bash directs you to this bash page,
meaning you have to pore over hundreds of separate entries in the vain hope of
finding something relevant to your que
Joe Zeff wrote:
> You might find what you need at http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't have the time to read a book just to
find out the meaning of ` and learn that it is not the same as '.
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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Of course they do. They are entirely different things. The first one is
> for quoting strings which might contain Shell metacharacters. The second
> is to execute a command and insert its output as the value of the
> string, e.g.
>
> ls -l `find ~/.kde`
>
> This is e
What is the difference in a bash script when one places something between
single quotes:
- using the apostrophe, '
- using the accent grave, `
?
Eg.,
ps -fu 'whoami'
ps -fu `whoami`
They produce entirely different results.
There are many other places where one might wish to put a command, va
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
> You can also use the much smaller (220 MB) boot.iso CD image.
I guess I could just have gone to the command shell and run the install
command, eh? Just get to the grub shell and run root and setup commands. I
never thought of that until now. I thought I had to ru
Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 21:25 -0700, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
>> Windows changed the system clock from UTC to local time, so fedora
>> needed to do a complete relabelling before I could finally boot up
>> again.
>
> I can't see why that was necessar
Gabriel Ramirez wrote:
> maybe http://boot.fedoraproject.org/index can be useful
>
Thank you. I had downloaded it about a year ago when I first heard about it,
but never tried it. I decided to get a new version, in case it changed, and
burnt it to disk. It must have taken 15-20 minutes for it
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
> You can also use the much smaller (220 MB) boot.iso CD image. You can
> find it on a mirror site at:
>
> .../releases/14/Fedora/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso
>
I already tried that. It didn't work. A black screen appeared with a grub menu
and it was not able to dete
OK. Thanks to both of you. Yes, I had feared that this might be the only way.
I didn't want to have to download 700MB just to be able to reinstall grub, but
I guess that is the only way.
I don't have an installation disk, since I did a system upgrade from f13 to
f14. I no longer have the f13 in
Which disk would I download to get into rescue mode on F14 x86_64?
All I need to do is reinstall grub, after (hopefully) repairing a broken
Windows XP that I have not been able to boot for a year because of having
gotten a new motherboard a year ago.
I do not have a floppy drive or any type of
Mike Chambers wrote:
> wireless drivers
> in laptops that are mostly supported by Fedora, out of the box
My laptop has a BROADCOM NETXTREME BCM5751M GIGABIT ETHERNET and it uses the
tg3 kernel module. I just booted up after the initial installation and it just
worked. The kernel module must hav
stan wrote:
> I'm not living up to my full potential
I'm sorry to hear that, but recognizing it is the first step to recovery LOL
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Vadgama Harsh wrote:
> Am using fedora 14 64 bit. when i play some flash videos there is a
> irritating clicking lowpitched noise when videos play. any solutions? You
> tubevidoes seem to play perfectly without the sound. Other videos
> requiring flash seem to have this issue. By the way i am usin
suvayu ali wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I was trying to clean my /tmp with tmpwatch and noticed a really large
> file sitting there, and I have no clue what could have generated that.
> Anyone has any ideas?
>
> $ lt /tmp/magick-XXWa5SP9.pam
> -rw-rw-r--. 1 13G Oct 29 01:47 /tmp/magick-XXWa5SP9.p
JD wrote:
> you can save yourself a lot of trouble
> by downloading the firefox add-on
I could, but I like Suvayu's function better. I already put it into my .bashrc
and its a keeper.
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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I meant link to it before it's deleted. Wasn't that obvious?
No.
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dky73/flashplugin_not_caching_to_tmp_any
more/c10ylu5
It gets deleted right away, so there never is any file in /tmp, so there is
nothing to link to (except usi
Takehiko Abe wrote:
> The new flash player (preview 2) unlinks a temp file right after
> opening it as discussed in this reddit thread:
>
>
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dky73/flashplugin_not_caching_to_tmp_any
more/c10ylu5
>
Finally, someone who gets it :-)
That is what I was saying
Suvayu Ali wrote:
> How do you hard link a deleted file?
Have no fear. I like your function. :-)
I was just curious about how Patrick manages to link to a deleted file.
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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Try it and see.
I am on it this very second. I has misunderstood earlier and thought you
meant the file in the mozilla cache, but you did explicitly state /tmp/Flash.
I just tied to make a hard link, but it says the /tmp/Flash* does not exist.
Using Suvayu's comman
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Actually what I do is hard-link to the flash file in /tmp, thus keeping
> a handle to the file so it won't disappear
OK, I tried this, as described in my previous post, using Suvayu's commands. It
didn't work, as I am unable to hard link to a file that has been delet
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> Actually what I do is hard-link to the flash file in /tmp, thus keeping
> a handle to the file so it won't disappear when the Flash process
> terminates, then copy the link once I'm sure it has completely
> downloaded.
I already thought of that, but it didn't work. I
suvayu ali wrote:
> Happy to be of help. :) FWIW, I have successfully used this with
> youtube, vimeo, dailymotion and metacafe.
Thanks a lot for responding. I really like this.
And it's a new function for my .bashrc. ;-)
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suvayu ali wrote:
> What version of flash are you using?
I am using flash 10 beta for x86_64, likely the same as you.
See my previous posting for my apparent success. I will have to give another
try, though, but to hear that you yourself use it successfully, I am most
reassured :-))
Thanks.
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> I am sorry to report that the function does NOT work.
OK, I tried it again with one of those YT video that mysteriously auto-delete
themselves. Very strange behaviour, I must say.
Anyway, perhaps it does work after all? I had to wait until the file was
complet
suvayu ali wrote:
> this is very limited and elementary function but it does the job.
I am sorry to report that the function does NOT work.
It captured a segment of the downloaded .flv, but not all of it. In the
mozilla cache, there is a file that has over 13M, but the function only
captures a
Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> dupe_flash ()
>> {
>> pid=$( ps -fu `whoami`| egrep 'libflashplayer\.so'| egrep -om 1 -E
>> '\<[0-9]+\>'| head -1 ); fid=$( lsof -p $pid | egrep '/tmp/Flash'|
>> egrep -om 1 -E '\<[0-9]+[a-z]\>'| tr -d 'a-z'); cp
>> /proc/${pid}/fd/${fid} ~/flashtmpfile
>> }
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Suvayu Ali wrote:
>> dupe_flash ()
>> {
>>pid=$( ps -fu `whoami`| egrep 'libflashplayer\.so'| egrep -om 1 -E
>>'\<[0-9]+\>'| head -1 ); fid=$( lsof -p $pid | egrep '/tmp/Flash'| egrep
>>-om 1 -E '\<[0-9]+[a-z]\>'| tr -d 'a-z'); cp /proc/${pid}/fd/${fid}
>>~/flashtmpfile
>> }
Thanks!
PS:
Duh...
I am using Adobe Flash 10 (x86_64) with Firefox on Fedora 14.
I have noticed that, when watching YouTube, the videos are downloaded into the
~/.mozilla cache (in the older flash, it was /tmp).
With some YT videos, the file remains in the Cache, but with other videos, the
file vanishes at the in
JD wrote:
> I found that current release of libreoffice is same as
> openoffice.
OpenOffice is at version 3.3 in F13, while LibreOffice is only at 2.96 in
Rawhide.
Are you sure they are the same?
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