Re: unlock screen?

2015-03-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 08:08:04AM +0100, Niels Weber wrote: > Is there any way that I missed so far? Or is it simply not possible? Please try: $ loginctl list-sessions $ loginctl lock-session $ID $ loginctl unlock-session $ID -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 01:15:53PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:43:57 -0400 > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > This isn't the case. systemd isn't monolithic. it is a collection of > > tools with a shared codebase where most of the tools are optional. > > Its a collection of tool

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jul 06, 2014 at 02:23:44PM -0700, David Benfell wrote: > Olav Vitters writes: > > >On Sun, Jul 06, 2014 at 01:34:24PM -0700, David Benfell wrote: > >>Poettering reminds me of a teenager who thinks the world would be > >>perfect if everybody just did thin

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jul 06, 2014 at 01:34:24PM -0700, David Benfell wrote: > Poettering reminds me of a teenager who thinks the world would be > perfect if everybody just did things his (gender-biased language > *might* be appropriate here) way. The difference is that > distributions are giving Poettering his

Re: why do we use systemd?

2014-07-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jul 06, 2014 at 04:34:35PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 13:22:56 -0700 > Joe Zeff wrote: > > > One > > wonders what would happen if somebody would open a bugzilla on the man > > page claiming that it's impossible to understand, especially if there > > were a number of

Re: dconf-editor bug?

2014-07-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 09:02:54PM -0700, Mike Wright wrote: > Appears to be a bug in dconf-editor-0.18.0-2.fc20. > > Drilling down: > > org->gnome->desktop->wm->preferences: *auto-raise* has no effect. > > Targeted window receives focus but doesn't raise to the top when > mouse or sloppy is sel

Re: How avoid unwanted systemd-journald?

2013-11-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 04:48:32PM +1030, Tim wrote: > Tim: > >> And if logs are in a format that you cannot read, you cannot safely > >> submit them to an outside server. You don't know what they contain. > >> Logon credentials, confidential data that you're working on, etc. > > Patrick Lists: >

Re: How avoid unwanted systemd-journald?

2013-11-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:44:21PM +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > I agree, all systemd stuff seems very crude for me. > And 'enough time' to debug or help to fix systemd monster I really not > have, I even don't have time to report all bugs which happens to me. > Thus I must only wish to systemd

Re: How avoid unwanted systemd-journald?

2013-11-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 12:46:40PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/17/2013 12:32 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > >I'm convinced it is as similar things on eg. ms windows (binary logs, > >registry,...) - when is all working fine, then it look fine too. > > Yes. When there's a major crash, you may no

Re: turning off Screen Lock in F19 GNOME doesn't work

2013-10-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 05:51:53PM +, Andre Robatino wrote: > The bug was just closed as NOTABUG with the comment "Get the gnome devs to > blacklist it." Since you obviously understand this stuff much better than > me, does that sound like a reasonable response? To explain this in a bit more d

Re: turning off Screen Lock in F19 GNOME doesn't work

2013-10-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 03:09:32PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: > Please file a bug. Note: the bug is in Cinnamon, because I see the same > in Mageia. Checking more, it seems that almost all of the Cinnamon 2.0 packages have similar bugs. Causing Cinnamon bits to start under GNOME. Plus Ci

Re: turning off Screen Lock in F19 GNOME doesn't work

2013-10-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:25:13AM +, Andre Robatino wrote: > Thanks for this, I'll try it next time it happens, and file a bug if it > works. (BTW, I don't always have the problem - the last time I was locked > out, I was able to enter password.) I currently have > cinnamon-screensaver-2.0.0-1

Re: How to create launchers on panel in Gnome 3 Classic Mode?

2013-07-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 03:36:38PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Only until the Gnome devs change something that breaks them. What I > don't understand is why they removed that functionality in the first > place? Why discuss this for the 50th time on the same mailing list? I already provide everything

Re: How to create launchers on panel in Gnome 3 Classic Mode?

2013-07-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 01:13:13PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > Is there some way to create launchers on the Gnome 3 Classic Mode > panel, as was easily done in Gnome 2? > > I'm trying really hard to like Gnome 3 Classic Mode, but having a very > difficult time of it, because it seems to only provid

Re: Do I need avahi?

2013-07-30 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 05:28:25PM +0200, lee wrote: > It won't run to begin with but say it cannot find this or that library, > and something that doesn't run can't crash. Seems unimportant to discuss the difference between not starting up and crashing if you're on about removing avahi and expect

Re: LibreOfffice and its new UI

2013-07-29 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 07:33:39AM +0200, Martin Skjöldebrand wrote: > What is it supposed to look like? It is not a new UI. You can add a sidebar, taken from IBM Symphony. It is not working perfectly so it is still under experimental. For me I can enable it under Tools→Options→Advanced. After ena

Re: Setting the default web browser

2013-07-19 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 02:37:05PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > In fact I had already tried installing gconf-editor, however as the rest > of the Gnome environment isn't there the options it offers are limited > and desktop/gnome/applications/browser is not one of them You want "Preferred a

Re: please discontinue to moderate Haralds posts (was: a different point of view to "etiquette")

2013-07-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 08:26:26AM +0200, lee wrote: > I don't know what the point is in moderating his posts. He does things Then you haven't seen his messages that haven't made it through the moderation queue. I know not all make it through (CC to inbox). No clue what is in those, I only read t

Re: f18+gnome3: howto recording desktop with audio

2013-05-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:09:50PM +0100, Dario Lesca wrote: > Someone have suggest? Requires work in GNOME shell: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=665548 Please only cc. -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option

Re: gnome-shell and syslog problems [SOLVED]

2013-05-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 07:34:39PM +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > $HOME/.cache/gdm/session.log > > Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Nodoka": Failed to > find a valid file for theme Nodoka > > Which makes sense, insofar as I did not have Nodaka installed, but does

Re: fedora18 stopped suspending on lid closed

2013-04-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 04:33:12PM +0300, Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote: > From some time my fedora stopped suspending when lid is closed. I > see in system log that lid event is detected. So I'm wondering what > can be the cause. > Suspend works when I choose to suspend clicking on the XFCE power ap

Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

2013-03-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 12:32:11PM -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > Harald may be a little rough around the edges, but he consistently makes > helpful > and informative posts. In balance, this mailing list would be much worse off > without his presence. Thanks for the hint. I make various helpful

Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

2013-03-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:59:54PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 19.03.2013 23:55, schrieb Olav Vitters: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:43:11PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> > >> > >> Am 19.03.2013 23:38, schrieb Olav Vitters: > >>

Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

2013-03-19 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:43:11PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 19.03.2013 23:38, schrieb Olav Vitters: > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based > >> BUSINESS wo

Re: I want Fedora in my future, but is it possible?

2013-03-19 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 09:58:36PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > have a good reason to do so - i am living in a IT based > BUSINESS world, and no serious business will outsource > all it's IT "to the cloud", not now and not in the future I know one Fortune 500 company that has no problems with tha

Re: Is gnome-disks really incapable of dealing with a blank drive?

2013-03-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 07:22:47PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > By golly that works (since I hadn't put anything on the disk yet, > I wiped it so I could try again). It is unfortunate that it uses > the same gear icon as the one below the picture in the middle of the > screen yet does complete diffe

Re: Alacarte on F-18/64 XFCE -

2013-03-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 02:13:01PM -0400, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > process = subprocess.Popen(['gnome-desktop-item-edit', > file_path], env=os.environ) Install whatever provides gnome-desktop-item-edit and please file a bug for the missing requires. -- Regards, Olav -- us

Re: LibreOffice version 4

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:40:19PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > you simply have no opinion because you are lacking the experience most > grown up people have to realize that this time libreoffice and openoffice > are the same application Attack the argument, not the person? > you could have a op

Re: LibreOffice version 4

2013-02-08 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 12:43:05PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM, doug wrote: > > > You'll > > most likely have to download it and install it yourself from > > an rpm or dev archive, since most of the devs of the Linux > > distros hate it > > > > Oh really? an e

Re: f18: compiz, "initial package for f18", and Gnome3

2013-01-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:58:40AM +0100, Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno mer, 30/01/2013 alle 21.04 -0500, Rahul Sundaram ha scritto: > > Note that the entire GNOME Shell UI is a plugin to Mutter which is the > > window manager for GNOME 3. > > Ok, now is NOT obsolete. (as the subject suggests)

Re: Which Fedup?

2013-01-16 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 06:44:29AM -0500, John Aldrich wrote: > I was looking to download Fedup, but I see that there is one for F17 and one > for F18. I am currently running F17, so I'm guessing I should download that > one I used the one for F17 and worked fine. -- Regards, Olav -- use

Re: Fedora 17 Gnome 3 Desperate Plea

2012-12-31 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 10:00:41PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > GNOME is not interested in their userbase and was never really In your view. > so use KDE which is after the 4.0 disaster now really fine again > sad that the ignorant GNOME developers did not learn from what > happened with KDE 4.0

Re: F18: Fedora icon on gdm replaced by a fuzzy rectangle

2012-11-28 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 09:13:01AM +1100, Nick Urbanik wrote: > On my son's machine, however, gdm presents a fuzzy rectangular patch > instead of the Fedora logo. This is also the case with the icons at > the top right of the gdm screen, until you move the mouse over them. > > Can anyone suggest

Re: Have I got an AT hangover?

2012-10-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:03:28PM +0100, Joe Feely wrote: > The problem seems to have started after I enabled some assistive > technology, which nearly paralysed the performance of the computer. The performance impact was only solved quite recently (GNOME 3.6). I assume the assistive tech is stil

Re: Whatever happened to Wayland?

2012-10-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 01:40:49PM -0400, Doug wrote: > On 10/21/2012 01:06 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > >On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:59:26 +0200 > >Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > > > >>What would be some key benefits of replacing X with Wayland? > >Loss of remote display capability? Destruction of compatib

Re: Whatever happened to Wayland?

2012-10-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 04:18:36AM +1030, Tim wrote: > Christopher Svanefalk: > >> What would be some key benefits of replacing X with Wayland? > > Tom Horsley: > > Loss of remote display capability? Destruction of compatibility > > for tens of thousands of existing applications? But it is > > shi

Re: GNOME 3 Apps maximized on startup?

2012-08-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 01:04:09AM +0200, Kernel Guardian wrote: > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651075 (When I read this I had > the impression that someone is trying to insult my intelligence.) Not fixed and a lot of discussion why it isn't good. > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/De

Re: GNOME 3 Apps maximized on startup?

2012-08-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 03:07:10PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/22/2012 02:38 PM, Kernel Guardian wrote: > >As I found in Gnome 3.4 release notes, this is default options for all > >applications. > > Are you serious about this? Who in their right mind thought that > the average user wanted this

Re: F17: How to always show desktop notifications?

2012-08-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:16:08AM +0200, sguazt wrote: > In my case, the effect of unread notifications is the one you can see > in the following screenshot http://i48.tinypic.com/2qkovpw.png > In this screenshot there are two unread notifications: one from > mail-notification and the other one fr

Re: configure postfix to drop e-mail

2012-08-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:51:25PM -0700, Tommy Pham wrote: > I have a need to test network throughput for SMTP traffic on Fedora > and I'd like to configure postfix to accept incoming e-mail from > clients and drop them. How can I go about that? A postfix mailing list would be more appropriate?

Re: Focus at window

2012-08-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 09:21:57PM +0200, Łukasz Jagiełło wrote: > Is it possible to set focus at gnome-terminal window after system bell > ? Can't find any good solution for that. What I want to achieve is > working from example Chrome or other terminal and when window gets > system bell it will b

Re: Fedora 17 with Unity Desktop

2012-08-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 06:09:48PM +0530, Danishka Navin wrote: > Does any body use Fedora 17 with Unity Desktop? Last I see it was still being worked on. Unity required all kinds of patches, but seems the most invasive ones (gtk+) are now optional. Suggest looking back in the various Fedora archi

Re: Setting up a dedicated seeder

2012-08-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:46:48AM +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > To clarify a bit, is there a BETTER way to seed, than to simply let a > client program (such as Transmission, which I currently use) do the seeding > for me? I would like to feed as much data as possible. Transmission also ha

Re: F17: How to always show desktop notifications?

2012-08-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:53:11AM +0200, sguazt wrote: > In GNOME, when you have "unread" desktop notifications come from a > specific source (e.g., empathy, mail-notification), all new > notifications from that source do not pop-up. > Instead, they are stacked up in the "unread notifications" pla

Re: gnome 3 extensions install fails silently

2012-07-21 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:03:52PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > On 2012-07-20 21:51, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > >Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > >>Any clues on how to debug this further? > > > >Press ALT+F2 and type "lg" into the run prompt. Look at the > >"Errors" tab > >for more clues. > > lg, I do n

Re: problem in gnome-fallback :Fedora 15

2012-07-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 02:49:19PM +0530, magina antimage wrote: > it freezes for forever. > pressing these keys does nothingalso mouse cursor gets vanished... Ok, then I don't have any idea. Seems like maybe hardware or kernel problem, and that is a bit too detailed for me. To really kno

Re: problem in gnome-fallback :Fedora 15

2012-07-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 11:55:28AM +0530, magina antimage wrote: >FYI I have ported fedora 15 for my target board (x86 based arch.) >when i switch any user to gnome-fallback mode,i cant relogin > once i do switch-user.GDM login screen freezes and i have to restart my > syste

Re: F17 gnome-terminal crashes

2012-07-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 04:03:08PM +0200, Frode Petersen wrote: > I was about to report a bug towards terminal, as several other > people have, but after trying to start terminal as a fresh test user > without problems, I'm uncertain about this being a bug in terminal > or not. [..] > $ gnome-termi

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

2012-07-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 12:28:47AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM Phoronix? Though, Phoronix doesn't even suggest what you read into it. > I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and > http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather

Re: Starting Gnome' s Commander as root.

2012-06-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 09:48:52AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > I could not find any package that supplies either xdg-su or gnomesu > > I also just realized that my eyes missed your platform information at the top > of your > original email. So it is a bug in gnome-commander. Relies on something

Re: An apology is required from me

2012-06-23 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 08:20:05AM -0400, Eddie G.O'Connor Jr-I wrote: > Uhhguys? not to be a pain in the arse or anything, but does it > matter either way? I have a slew of e-mails of you guys going back > and forth, let's just leave it as "You have YOUR opinion..and He [..] > in any case.

Re: An apology is required from me

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 09:12:30AM -0700, Daniel wrote: > On 06/22/2012 08:10 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:27:14AM -0700, Daniel wrote: > >>>On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >>>>>On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -07

Re: An apology is required from me

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:14:46AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/22/2012 07:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >I think it is somewhat normal to ask for more details. And I understand > >that proving a negative is difficult (XFCE/KDE), but that should still > >be possible (sampli

Re: An apology is required from me

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 04:34:34PM +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: > So in short: you have a belief, no basis for it, but cannot be bothered s/you have/someone has/ -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: ht

Re: An apology is required from me

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 06:27:14AM -0700, Daniel wrote: > On 06/22/2012 05:00 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > >>>On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote: > > >>>>>As I understand it to date the devs say

Re: Weird freeze

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 08:18:03AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Currently, my desktop's running F16, fully updated. Just a few > minutes ago, I was reading my morning comics on-line when my box > froze. Nothing responded. Even the second hand on my desktop clock > stopped moving. Just as I was about

Re: An apology is required from me

2012-06-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:45:06PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/21/2012 09:36 PM, Roger wrote: > >As I understand it to date the devs say: > >"Go away", rightly so, > >and "Put up or shut up", again rightly so. > > I've never heard complaints about the KDE devs doing that, and I > know that the

Re: Fedora 17

2012-06-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 02:00:50PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > You list a number of things you personally dislike, but Fedora 17 > isn't responsible for any of them. All of them are part of Gnome 3, > just one of the many desktop environments that you can use with > Fedora. This is not, believe me,

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Gnome 3

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:39:47AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > That however is a matter of ensuring a global disable is a feature of the > configuration that is easy for an admin to use (easier than firewalling > gnome.org to stop it) I think that was planned, but I'll check as development goes on.

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Gnome 3

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 06:20:10PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > Probably by arguing that 99.99% of users who don't actually care won't > be part of the noise. Which I think is a fair point. Having a good user testing would be very much appreciated. Meaning: something that Sun did a lot of years ago. A

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Gnome 3

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 10:25:44AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/15/2012 10:20 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > >Probably by arguing that 99.99% of users who don't actually care won't > >be part of the noise. Which I think is a fair point. > > So, what you're saying is, Gnome 3 is being developed for people

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:48:28PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Having every appp implement a version of NoSquint makes so much more > sense than gdm passing through the right option to Xorg! Do you honestly expect anyone to respond to you? I mean, anyone who actually bothers to makes changes?

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 08:27:22AM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Olav Vitters writes: > > >You're very demanding and call people "royal highnesses". Sure seems > >like you seem obliged that people do what you think is right (other > >idea? wrong!) o

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 06:29:53PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Unfortunately, the royal highnesses that even bothered to reply to > that years-old bug have waived it off, with vague, occasional Someone pointed at this lately: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=etiquette.html It contains

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Gnome 3

2012-06-15 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:35:50AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Or are you saying that extensions.gnome.org has the ability to interface > with the package manager?. ;) In GNOME 3.6 the extensions will update automatically. This was not done before on purpose (fear of bugs, breaking stuff, etc.

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 08:09:57PM +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > Now it really goes OT and becomes venting. I'm far from complaining > every time and for everything and you'll see in previous mails I don't. Oops.. didn't want to imply that you did. Just wanted to explain about venting _in

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:50:16PM +0200, Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: > As you already know it does. This stupidity in GNOME is changed in next > releases so each voice from frustrated users is important. It is the way > wrong things can be heard and repaired. Venting makes it difficult to underst

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 07:31:43AM -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > From where I'm sitting, that looks like venting *did something*. Nope, it is totally pointless. I talked to a few designers personally, explained calmly a better approach. The announced change pretty much matches with what I said.

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 02:35:43PM +0930, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 00:10 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: > > Furthermore, updates to extensions are reviewed by GNOME shell > > developers. If they break stuff, it means additional work for them to > > review the updated ext

Re: Power-off stupidity remains in Fedora 17

2012-06-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 05:10:02PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > want. Please note that they have made it very clear that they're > not going to make the slightest effort to avoid breaking third-party > plugins, even (especially!) those that correct some of Gnome 3's > most glaring flaws. There is a b

Re: Fedora vs Gnome

2012-06-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:37:53AM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > It is true that Gnome is product of the Gnome people not the fedora > people. But since (it seems to me) Fedora is the only major distribution > that uses Gnome as its default Desktop Environment the Fedora Board > should be listened

Re: NetworkManager and bridge support

2012-06-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 03:54:53PM -0400, David Mansfield wrote: > Implying, of course, that SOME non-gui bits are here now. Which > bits and how can I find them/evaluate them etc? As I mentioned, I No idea. I responded to what I knew. -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedora

Re: NetworkManager and bridge support

2012-06-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:06:44AM -0400, David Mansfield wrote: > 1. There's nothing in the GUI GUI bit is scheduled for GNOME 3.6. -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listin

Re: What's wrong with this /etc/fstab ?

2012-06-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:36:19AM -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Nope. You have found the problem. As soon as I created the ntfs group, > everything started to work. Though I found this error message > > # mount /mnt/c > mount: only root can mount UUID=E0649EB1649E8A44 on /mn

Re: What's wrong with this /etc/fstab ?

2012-06-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 04:44:22AM -0700, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Very strange things happen. With the line commented out the device can > be mounted without problems. But with the line uncommented this happens > (note that I'm running as root): > # mount /mnt/c > mount: only ro

Re: F17 Gnome3 workspace names

2012-06-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 07:29:05AM -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > ~/.gconf/apps/metacity/workspace_names/%gconf.xml You already have a solution, so just adding some background info... Up to GNOME 3.2 (inclusive), Mutter and GNOME shell use gconf to store their settings. As of GNOME 3.4, gsettings is

Re: Network problems

2012-05-11 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:44:16PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I couldn't find a clear account of the effect of the line > anywhere in the shorewall documentation. Add it, apply the changes and run the following as root: iptables -t nat -L -n That'll tell you what it does. -- Regards, Olav -

Re: NetworkManager serious usablity challenges

2012-03-26 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 08:17:47PM +0200, suvayu ali wrote: > A quick question out of curiosity, is Gnome 3 using something other > than nm-applet? I don't use Gnome 3 myself[1]. Since this is a rather > common question on the list would be good to know. It uses something different. Meaning: integ

Re: NetworkManager serious usablity challenges

2012-03-26 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 09:07:22AM +0200, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > A major defiency is the loss of deleting SSID configurations. There > is no 'delete' feature anymore in the Network Settings panel. Not being able to forget wireless networks + not being able to switch of wifi while it is still t

Re: Accessibility (slow keys) in Gnome3 login screen - cannot deactivate.

2012-03-16 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 07:58:05AM -0600, S P Arif Sahari Wibowo wrote: > For some reason some accessibility features (specifically slow keys > and sticky keys) in my Gnome3 login screen turn on, and I cannot > seems to deactivate / disable / turn-off / reset it. I tried turn > them off from the ac

Re: mysql replacement?

2012-03-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 02:04:07AM -0700, Nataraj wrote: > The original author of mysql has created mariaDB http://mariadb.org/ > which I believe is claimed to maintain compatability with mysql. Some > linux distros are considering offering alternative packages. PostGreSQL Adding to above: Magei

Re: empathy - is it for real?

2012-03-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 07:56:41AM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: > Let others know what you find to be better alternative as that can be > helpful as well. He already mentioned Pidgin. -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription o

Re: empathy - is it for real?

2012-03-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 11:53:17AM +1000, Dan Irwin wrote: > Over several successive versions (Since Fedora 10), empathy has never > "just worked" or "worked right" on my laptop. It will crash. Modules > will crash. People will complain that I am signed in and ignoring > them, when I don't appear t

Re: Gnome-tweak-tool issues

2012-02-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:58:14PM -0800, les wrote: > I have added gnome-tweak-tool to my system. However I have some > problems with it. First run from the software install tool went OK. > Made changes to various fonts, and they took effect. > > However on subsequent runs I had t

Re: More on date/time format problems

2012-01-13 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 07:44:33AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > So is this a bug with the locked panel NOT using the same format as > the unlocked panel? Obviously there is an intermitent problem of > the system loosing track of things. And as I think back, once it > gets confused, locking th

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 02:42:31PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > AH. After I thought about it, I thought this was the case. Kind of > an Easter Egg thingee (for those of us not of Easter celebrants). GNOME 3.4 will have a real easter egg (discovered it only by accident; I mean while reading g

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 07:16:09AM -0800, Alan Evans wrote: > A *one* *letter* command to restart the shell?!? That seems like a > horrible mis-feature, like something I might key in accidentally. You noticed this before or after my email? Suggest to try it before becoming emotional. > Did develo

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:29:42AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/05/2012 12:34 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >Quicker than rebooting the entire machine just to see the > >changes you made to gnome-shell. > > Wouldn't logging out and back in be sufficient? Of course. Ju

Re: [Bulk] Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 10:17:55AM -0500, William Case wrote: > Now, how do you download and install a new extension from here? > Anything I have read is out of the dark ages involving torture and > incantations with 'git' and 'make'. There has to be a more modern and > sophisticated way. There s

Re: yum.conf file

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 11:29:38PM +1030, Tim wrote: > There's two paragraphs, the first one just says "this," with no > indication what the hell it's referring to. There's a whole list of File a bug and attach a patch. Pretty sure improvements are welcome. Lots of the comments I write in source

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-05 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 11:52:44PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 01/04/2012 06:29 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:23:30PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > >>This line appears twice, so I commented them both out. We will see > >>what happens o

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 06:23:30PM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > This line appears twice, so I commented them both out. We will see > what happens on the next reboot... tip: alt+f2, type "r", enter, wait a bit -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscri

Re: Another Fedora 16 + Gnome 3.2 question!?

2012-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 04:04:16PM -0500, William Case wrote: > How do I get rid of the Universal Access icon in the upper right hand > corner/panel? Googled but seems every distribution has a different > answer. How do I get rid of it in Fedora 16, preferably using the > icon-manage extension in

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:38:15PM +, JB wrote: > Olav Vitters vitters.nl> writes: > > On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 11:27:11AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Most people already left for fedora forum and the like. The list is > > > basically not managed so its useles

Re: Neal Becker Software Package..?

2012-01-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 11:27:11AM +, Alan Cox wrote: > Most people already left for fedora forum and the like. The list is > basically not managed so its useless. If you want to fix that you need > to take it up with the fedora board I believe. FWIW, I'm willing to moderate (after effect, doe

Re: Gnome3 - Forced Fallback Mode

2012-01-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 04:48:33PM +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: > Gnome3 works fine on some of my systems, but unfortunately my > classrooms machines with Nvidia Geoforce FX 5200 cards it only > works about 80%. Could you link to either a screenshot or a picture of the problem? Sounds like

Re: Desktop "stickiness" under Fedora-16/KDE

2012-01-01 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:32:18PM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: > yes - tho Gnome has a similar thing - it may be called Beagle .. but > I'm not sure ... Beagle was used in the past. Currently it uses Tracker. Before the release of 3.0, Tracker could still negatively impacted performance. This

Re: GNOME 3 Classic on the way

2011-12-22 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:50:40PM +0100, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: > I switched to Gnome3 just recently, and frankly, I am not sure I would want > to go back again. Yes, the project has to mature, and I expect we will hit > F18 before Gnome3 is on par with Gnome2 in terms of raw stability (I >

Re: systemd: wait for shutdown-service to complete

2011-12-14 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:18:10AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > ah sounds exactly what i searched for, thanks Did systemd log anything in syslog about forcefully shutting down the service/unit/... because of the timeout? If not, could you file an enhancement bug with systemd? Thanks -- Regards

Re: Gnome Shell x Network Manager crash

2011-12-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 11:41:51AM -0200, ferna...@lozano.eti.br wrote: > What can I do to troubleshoot this? Anyone with similar problems? > []s, Fernando Lozano Suggest looking into /var/log/messages and ~/.xsession-errors. Look for anything related to networking, dbus, and gnome-shell. -- Reg

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