Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 17Dec2017 18:05, sam varshavchik wrote: But I really don't understand why so much research is needed for this issue, by disabling random things, and then trying other random things. Either NetworkManager-wait-online actually waits until the network interfaces have their IP address set, or i

F26 hangs or dies

2017-12-17 Thread Stephen Davies
I upgraded from F25 to F26 yesterday and ever since have been seeing the system frequently become totally unresponsive. It seems to be quite random and can only be resolved by hitting the reset button to reboot. On other occasions it doesn't quite die but starting anything takes several minu

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 17 December 2017, Temlakos sent: > I need to set up links to: > 1. All folders that I want to hold on the data drive, including > configuration files that I want to preserve from one iteration to the > next--like .thunderbird, .firefox, .chrome, .adobe, and so on. These > wou

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2017 07:12 PM, fred roller wrote: Does seem cleaner; but, I assume you are creating a partition for each directory?  And fstab could be saved and at worse used for reference in new build. In some cases, yes. In others, I just used links, depending on how much space I needed. __

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread fred roller
>>> Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any physical directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain on the actual /home mount? >> My process was to mkdir on the new drive, delete the old directory in /home/user and when I created the lin

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/18/17 08:42, fred roller wrote: > > Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any > physical > directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain > on the > actual /home mount? > > My process was to mkdir on the new drive, delete the old di

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2017 04:42 PM, fred roller wrote: Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any physical directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain on the actual /home mount? My process was to mkdir on the new drive, delete the old directory

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread fred roller
[snip] Now I have one more question, and this is for Fred or Stan. Should any physical directories named Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Video, etc., remain on the actual /home mount? My process was to mkdir on the new drive, delete the old directory in /home/user and when I created the lin

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/18/17 06:53, Temlakos wrote: > On 12/17/2017 05:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/18/17 06:14, Temlakos wrote: >>> I wonder: am I the first here to build a system with all SDD drives? Or has >>> any >>> other subscriber to this list done that? >> >> Hah, Hah, nope    Been running one lik

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > As for a smaller SSD just for booting, there's a tiny advantage in > that it's physically separate so if you're at all prone to making CLI > mistakes, there can be an isolation advantage. But as far as > performance, no not really. GPT supp

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Temlakos wrote: > On 12/17/2017 05:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> >> On 12/18/17 06:14, Temlakos wrote: >>> >>> I wonder: am I the first here to build a system with all SDD drives? Or >>> has any >>> other subscriber to this list done that? >> >> >> Hah, Hah, nope

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom H writes: Does privoxy start properly if you disable NM and its wait-online unit and use systemd-networkd and its wait-online unit? Does privoxy start properly if you disable NM's wait-online unit and use a custom wait-online unit that waits until "/sys/class/net//carrier" is "1"? privoxy

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Tony Nelson wrote: > On 17-12-17 14:38:02, Chris Murphy wrote: > ... >> >> smarctl -l scterc /dev/ >> >> This will reveal if this drive supports SCT ERC. If it does, and it's >> not enabled, it can be set to an obscenely high value, and then a >> matching SCSI blo

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Temlakos
On 12/17/2017 05:49 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/18/17 06:14, Temlakos wrote: I wonder: am I the first here to build a system with all SDD drives? Or has any other subscriber to this list done that? Hah, Hah, nope    Been running one like that for several months now.    Half done with swit

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/18/17 06:14, Temlakos wrote: > I wonder: am I the first here to build a system with all SDD drives? Or has > any > other subscriber to this list done that? Hah, Hah, nope    Been running one like that for several months now.    Half done with switching another over to only SDD.  Will

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Temlakos
On 12/17/2017 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/17/2017 11:55 AM, fred roller wrote: Main thing to remember is KISS.  This is a simple way to have the normal drop points of data redirected to the larger drive. If you really want to KISS, just migrate /home to the new drive and be done with it.

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread stan
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:31:05 -0500 Temlakos wrote: > Let me see if I understand the result: > > I need to set up links to: > > 1. All folders that I want to hold on the data drive, including > configuration files that I want to preserve from one iteration to the > next--like .thunderbird, .fi

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Tony Nelson
On 17-12-17 14:38:02, Chris Murphy wrote: ... smarctl -l scterc /dev/ This will reveal if this drive supports SCT ERC. If it does, and it's not enabled, it can be set to an obscenely high value, and then a matching SCSI block device command timer might permit deep recovery by the drive's firmwa

Re: micro dropout's playing video's / card games or just scrolling in an terminal.

2017-12-17 Thread stan
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 16:39:28 - " sixpack13" wrote: > ... > Intel HD Graphics 530 (GT2) 6 th Generation Intel > > Gnome terminal I have radeon graphics, I can run man man in a gnome terminal flawlessly. If you give a game name that has problems, I can try it. Is there anything running i

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Francis . Montagnac
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:49:39 -0800 Gordon Messmer wrote: > Not exactly... I'd like to know if this commit is the one that broke the > service: > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/data/NetworkManager-wait-online.service.in?id=520d2814ba720cf8aee9d6f91fca4e3ea0d855

Re: Samba support fails in F27

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
Feel free to ignore this BUT, I'm confused where Windows 10 is fitting into this. I see an smb.conf that looks like it's setup for a server with a bunch of shares. And I also see the use of smbclient for testing. So I think it needs to be more clear what is the server, and what is the client. Also

Re: Which fedora package can read EPUB docs?

2017-12-17 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 12 December 2017 at 06:46, JD wrote: > Thanx. > My ebook file seems to be corrupted, as /bin/FBReader producted an empty > file. > > The Linux version of FBReader is getting a bit too old as upstream has been concentrating more and more on the Android port (best eBook reader for Android IMHO).

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2017 11:55 AM, fred roller wrote: Main thing to remember is KISS.  This is a simple way to have the normal drop points of data redirected to the larger drive. If you really want to KISS, just migrate /home to the new drive and be done with it.

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread fred roller
My links were: All the default folders of the user: Documents Downloads Music Pictures Videos My Virtualbox build directory .thunderbird a note pad directory an "isolibrary" directory I maintained Most software like View Your Mind, Calibre and others gave the option to choose where to save a fil

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 12/17/2017 08:38 AM, Tom H wrote: Yes, it's the same thing as doing what I suggested next and you snipped out. Not exactly... I'd like to know if this commit is the one that broke the service: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/data/NetworkManager-wait-onli

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Temlakos wrote: > Everyone: > > If you have followed my threads about: > > SMB failing with F27 > > and > > system hanging and requring repeated restarts, > > then you've seen people suggest replacing my 1 TB HDD with an SSD. I > acquired a 1 TB SSD and then tried

Re: Which fedora package can read EPUB docs?

2017-12-17 Thread Andras Simon
2017-12-17 18:56 GMT+01:00, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco : > On Dec 11, 2017 10:41 PM, "Andras Simon" wrote: >> >> fbreader or calibre . If you install calibre, use ebook-reader, not > calibre itself, unless you want it to build (without asking for your > permission, of course) a database of all

Re: Which fedora package can read EPUB docs?

2017-12-17 Thread Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco
On Dec 11, 2017 10:41 PM, "Andras Simon" wrote: > > fbreader or calibre . If you install calibre, use ebook-reader, not calibre itself, unless you want it to build (without asking for your permission, of course) a database of all your documents. > Is it possible to split ebook-reader from calibre

Re: Questions regarding dual booting with Windows 8.1

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: > Hello, > > I have to install Windows 8.1 so that Dell technician can troubleshoot my > system. I have not installed Windows in years, so, I wanted to confirm the > process before destroying my system. > > I will create a 50GB partition fo

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Dr J Austin wrote: > On Sun, 2017-12-17 at 08:20 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:07:52 + >> Dr J Austin wrote: >> >> > Anyone else with the same problem/ >> >> I gave up on getting NFS mounts to work a long time ago. >> I have a job I start

Re: micro dropout's playing video's / card games or just scrolling in an terminal.

2017-12-17 Thread sixpack13
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Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 12/17/2017 07:18 AM, Tom H wrote: >> >> I've just read "man nm-online" (possibly for the first time!) and >> "nm-online -s" doesn't seem to do what >> "NetworkManager-wait-online.service" is supposed to do, systemd-wise. >> It waits "for

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 12/17/2017 07:18 AM, Tom H wrote: I've just read "man nm-online" (possibly for the first time!) and "nm-online -s" doesn't seem to do what "NetworkManager-wait-online.service" is supposed to do, systemd-wise. It waits "for NetworkManager startup to complete, rather than waiting for network con

Re: piping

2017-12-17 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 17 December 2017 at 01:06, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 16Dec2017 22:34, Patrick Dupre wrote: > >> I do: >> my_sort files.asc > new_file.asc >> and then >> gawk -f file.awk -v sampl=T new_file.asc >> to get what I want. >> >> how can I do the same in a single command with a pipe (and not gene

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Dr J Austin
On Sun, 2017-12-17 at 08:20 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:07:52 + > Dr J Austin wrote: > > > Anyone else with the same problem/ > > I gave up on getting NFS mounts to work a long time ago. > I have a job I start with "at now" in rc.local that > delays for a few seconds th

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Just had another boot that utterly failed because services that were > supposed to start only after the network interfaces came up, didn't. They > started too soon. Privoxy's logfile has the smoking gun: > > 2017-12-16 09:42:39.875 7f4ac

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:54:06 -0500 Temlakos wrote: > bind mounts are copies. They are copies of mountpoints, but not copies of the data. The /zooty/home directory is still there on my data disk, and the /home mount point also refers to /zooty/home. ___

Announcing the "Unfrak Systemd" project (was Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken)

2017-12-17 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Dr J Austin writes: On Sat, 2017-12-16 at 10:03 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Why is it so friggin difficult to get something this simple, this basic > concept of starting things only after the network interfaces are up, working > correctly, and reliably? > > Oh yeah, I know. systemd. Sim

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Francis . Montagnac
broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:20:37 -0500." <20171217082037.2148ddd8@zooty> On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:20:37 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:07:52 + > Dr J Austin wrote: >> Anyone else with the same problem/ > I gave up on getting NFS m

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Temlakos
On 12/17/2017 08:41 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:31:05 -0500 Temlakos wrote: And when I do that, any folder that I create on the "data disk," the system will find by starting from /home/[user-ident]. You might want to consider a "bind" mount for /home instead of lots of symlin

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 08:31:05 -0500 Temlakos wrote: > And when I do that, any folder that I create on the "data disk," the > system will find by starting from /home/[user-ident]. You might want to consider a "bind" mount for /home instead of lots of symlinks for each home directory. I have this i

Re: Data migration for replacing HDD with SSD - suggestions?

2017-12-17 Thread Temlakos
On 12/16/2017 08:07 PM, stan wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2017 18:50:57 -0500 Temlakos wrote: 1. How can you write the linking commands so that they will execute automatically at startup, rather than your having to "sudo ln -s [source] [destination]" for every directory for every user every time you

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:07:52 + Dr J Austin wrote: > Anyone else with the same problem/ I gave up on getting NFS mounts to work a long time ago. I have a job I start with "at now" in rc.local that delays for a few seconds then does all the NFS mounts. I have other commands in there as well to

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-17 Thread Dr J Austin
On Sat, 2017-12-16 at 10:03 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Just had another boot that utterly failed because services that were > supposed to start only after the network interfaces came up, didn't. They > started too soon. Privoxy's logfile has the smoking gun: > > 2017-12-16 09:42:39.875 7f

Re: micro dropout's playing video's / card games or just scrolling in an terminal.

2017-12-17 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2017-12-17 at 01:47 +, sixpack13 wrote: > Any hints to debug/troubleshoot this ? You might want to mention a) which terminal program you use, and b) which graphics driver you have. Either or both may be relevant. poc ___ users mailing list