Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/04/2015 06:20 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: journald automatically scales its usage to its idea of available memory That's an explanation that's somewhat less troubling. I read the man page for journald.conf and was not enlightened. Which values am I looking at? I see references to in-mem

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/03/2015 04:13 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: Gordon Messmer wrote: SysV init scripts are here for ages They were large, inconsistent, and burdensome to maintain. The people who maintained them decided that there was a better option. If you are willing to maintain them, then you can do

Re: /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db perms

2015-05-04 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/03/2015 04:47 PM, jd1008 wrote: I distrust suid programs. Skepticism toward SUID root is sometimes merited. Evaluating your own needs for such programs is reasonable. Distrusting the mechanism itself is tin-foil-hat-crazy. I find it strange that a security minded system needs an su

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Ronal B Morse
Forget it, Dan. It's Chinatown. RBM On Tue, 2015-05-05 at 08:07 +1000, Dan Irwin wrote: > I find the attitude of many of the senior fedora people quite > disappointing. There is no freedom, there is ZERO choice on this > issue. It's a dictatorship. > > > My observations are that the systemd peop

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Dan Irwin
I find the attitude of many of the senior fedora people quite disappointing. There is no freedom, there is ZERO choice on this issue. It's a dictatorship. My observations are that the systemd people are not the best people for the job. In fact, they are probably at the complete other end of the sp

Re: Nouveau trouble

2015-05-04 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:24:52 +0200 Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:18:02 +0200 > Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:24:28 -0400 > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > >> I just ran into this with Fedora 22, and was pointed to a libdrm 2.4.60 > >> bug. If you do

Re: failed systemctl services?

2015-05-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 12:48:46PM -0700, stan wrote: > Those were interesting reads. It seems the infrastructure is in place > to deal with the problem of service failure, but operational inertia is > slowing adoption. In other words, just a normal human system. :-) > The one thing I didn't see

Re: The spamming servers

2015-05-04 Thread stan
On Mon, 4 May 2015 19:56:12 +0200 Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 04.05.2015, stan wrote: > > > I don't see a defense against such exploits as long as people can > > install software on their systems. The alternative is Mac on > > steroids, only the software that big brother approves of and allows > >

Re: failed systemctl services?

2015-05-04 Thread stan
On Mon, 4 May 2015 11:51:08 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Actually, *systemd* is that process. That's one of its huge features > missing in the old init system. Take a look at the man page for > systemd.service — search for "Restart=". > > However, we don't configure most things that way out of

Re: Tainted kernels

2015-05-04 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/04/2015 01:23 AM, Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote: FYI if you get on oop and then another one, then kernel would show tainted by the initial oop. That makes it sometimes hard to report an issue. Yes. Two or sometimes three, all of them generally "tainted." Or, if the first one isn't, ther

Re: The spamming servers

2015-05-04 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 04.05.2015, stan wrote: > I don't see a defense against such exploits as long as people can > install software on their systems. The alternative is Mac on steroids, > only the software that big brother approves of and allows you to use. The choice is yours. Either you stick with straight Fed

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 03 May 2015, Marko Vojinovic sent: > Oooh, I see, writing buggy and ill-documented code is (ultimately) > better for the market survival of the software company! Isn't that how Microsoft made their millions? -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is n

Re: failed systemctl services?

2015-05-04 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 4 May 2015 at 11:51, Matthew Miller wrote: Date sent: Mon, 4 May 2015 11:51:08 -0400 From: Matthew Miller To: Community support for Fedora users Copies to: "Michael D. Setzer II" Subject:Re: failed systemctl ser

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 05/04/2015 12:01 PM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > There is also a tool > Super grub. > very nice! not much difference in these 2 apps, super grub was last updated May 2014.. boot-repair was updated November 2014.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/files/ http://www.supergrubdi

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, There is also a tool Super grub. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | | Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | | Tel.

Re: failed systemctl services?

2015-05-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 07:57:57AM -0700, stan wrote: > > Is there a process that automatically will try to restart failed > > systemctl services, or would it be worth creating something to do so? > > Perhaps in cron.hourly? > I'm no expert, but my understanding is that there is not. Actually, *s

Re: failed systemctl services?

2015-05-04 Thread stan
On Mon, 04 May 2015 16:40:49 +1000 "Michael D. Setzer II" wrote: > I was checking on systemctl status and found some that were listed as > failed? > One was caused since the vboxdrv modules for 3.19.5 kernel were not > being installed by yum for some reason. They didn't show up in the > list, bu

Re: The spamming servers

2015-05-04 Thread stan
On Sun, 03 May 2015 12:33:43 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > Has anyone else seen this: Unnoticed for years, malware turned Linux > and BSD servers into spamming machines > > http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=3030 > freebsd-questions@freebsd.orgmailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread stan
On Mon, 04 May 2015 08:07:44 -0400 Paul Cartwright wrote: > I'm not sure but I think doing yum update, if you get a new kernel, it > runs mkconfig. I think kernel updates run a program called grubby to update the grub.cfg file. I always run grub2-mkconfig -o grub.cfg in the /boot/grub2 director

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 05/04/2015 08:40 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ >> > Thank you, that looks very promising. I hope not to have to use it, > but you never know ... my sda drive wouldn't boot, but the partitions were still there, so I replaced sda with a new

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 02:57:57PM -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > I tend to think that's a better question. 2.5M of memory is > trivial, but I have systems where the RSS of systemd-journald is > 30M+ The very high variability of the memory size for that process > makes me worry about memory leaks

Re: SV: Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 01:48:57AM +0200, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Hmm, I guess You want advice me, to bought some strictly limited (maybe > commercial) OS - and then shut up and be satisfied with I have. But this > fortunately is not Linux case... Fundamentally, if you want something to be diff

Re: SV: Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread birger
ma., 04.05.2015 kl. 01.48 +0200, skrev Frantisek Hanzlik: > > Hmm, I guess You want advice me, to bought some strictly limited > (maybe > commercial) OS - and then shut up and be satisfied with I have. But > this > fortunately is not Linux case... That was not what I wrote at all. I gave reason

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Am 04.05.2015 um 14:18 schrieb Paul Cartwright: On 05/04/2015 08:13 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Usually, I don't have to fiddle with grub. The cases I remember were when I had repaired windows installations (in a dual boot situation) which refused to boot. By restoring the windows boot mech

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 09:41 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > See "Tip 3" in: > > http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/game/systemd.html While I can see that attitude in closed source software, as yet another vendor lock-in, I'm more inclined to go with a point I saw raised, elsewhere, about ADD progra

Re: F21: why Fedora still has not alternative init?

2015-05-04 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 14:04 +0200, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Why hasn't Fedora alternative (upstart/openrc) init? Wasn't upstart the (ironically named) new thing that was utterly despised in Ubuntu, many years ago? -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.19.5-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Mon Apr 20 2

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 05/04/2015 08:13 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: >> >> > Usually, I don't have to fiddle with grub. The cases I remember were > when I had repaired windows installations (in a dual boot situation) > which refused to boot. By restoring the windows boot mechanism via the > rescue console, the MBR h

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Am 04.05.2015 um 13:19 schrieb Paul Cartwright: mmm, well if it has already been installed , why would you ever have to run grub-2-install again?? all you would have to do is modify the grub.cfg whenever you add a new kernel.. I guess the only way to test would be to add/remove a kernel, then JUS

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Cartwright
I have 3 OSes booting- WIndows, Fedora 20 & fedora 21. But I always try to default to the fedora 21 install, so I don't have to press any keys when it boots. so running mkconfig always picks up the latest version & kernels from all installs.. but I only run it from fedora 21. I'm not sure but I thi

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
You may avoid to do it. But I have a multiboot system. I may have to manage which grub.cfg file needs to be read when booting. grub-install let me do it. === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx

Re: /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db perms

2015-05-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2015-05-03 at 17:47 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > > [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ll /bin/locate > > -rwx--s--x. 1 root slocate 40528 Aug 18 2014 /bin/locate > I distrust suid programs. > I find it strange that a security minded system needs an suid > program to do something as simple as locate a file. T

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Paul Cartwright
mmm, well if it has already been installed , why would you ever have to run grub-2-install again?? all you would have to do is modify the grub.cfg whenever you add a new kernel.. I guess the only way to test would be to add/remove a kernel, then JUST run grub2-mkconfig, reboot & see if the changes

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, In my opinion, it odes not matter. after grub-install /dev/sda grub knows that it has to read the file /boot/grub2/grub.cfg Then you can change it, it will use the chnaged file. There is no copy of the copy in /dev/sdx ==

Re: grub2

2015-05-04 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Am 03.05.2015 um 20:42 schrieb Paul Cartwright: On 05/03/2015 11:02 AM, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: Am 03.05.2015 um 15:59 schrieb Patrick Dupre: Hello, After I run grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda First thought: Shouldn't these two commands be interchang

Re: Tainted kernels

2015-05-04 Thread Aleksandar Kostadinov
FYI if you get on oop and then another one, then kernel would show tainted by the initial oop. That makes it sometimes hard to report an issue. In the oops reporter you can see capital letters flags about the taintedness of the kernel. There was some doc documented what each flag means. Joe