Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/04/2012 11:23 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > You are nothing if not persistent. As to contributing to Linux, which > for me has *always* been Red Hat, this is not the only forum in > existence. Given your investment in defending your ego, it is clearly > an important forum for you. My goodness

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 04/07/12 11:07, Fernando Cassia wrote: Linux purists answer that "that's not the way we do things in Linux" and that "users should learn their new OS rather than try to copy the way Windows does things". I think that is wrong and is precisely one of the reasons of desktop linux minuscule mark

Re: Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

me too. I tried to use mono before, I think Java is more suitable in Linux. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM > > I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and > http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather tha

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > It should have been clear, but I suppose I must state it explicitly, > that I do not care either for Adobe or for Flash, but I have no choice > but to use them, which means that Fedora cannot be my primary OS So you're negating the technical

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: >> Flash actually works for Windows, and I need Flash (I know...pathetic, isn't >> it?) > > Adobe gets in bed with Google to promote Chrome and makes Flash > available on Chrome only and

Is Gnome becoming a Microsoft project?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzMjM I'd rather see more Gnome projects using OpenJDK and http://java-gnome.sourceforge.net/ rather than the .Net clone Mono. FC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/04/2012 10:35 AM, Robert Myers wrote: >> Because I have a significant if not especially visible investment in both >> time and >> emotion. I'm just not as visible as some of the more aggressive >> self-promoters >> [sustained and direct

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > Remember, Windows is designed as an OS for the masses, and it's designed to > be used mostly by people with no real understanding of computers or how they > work. Would you really want Linux to follow down that path? Let me jump in on this discu

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > Flash actually works for Windows, and I need Flash (I know...pathetic, isn't > it?) Adobe gets in bed with Google to promote Chrome and makes Flash available on Chrome only and this is a fault of Fedora or Linux, exactly HOW? and how do you s

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/04/2012 10:35 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > Because I have a significant if not especially visible investment in both > time and > emotion. I'm just not as visible as some of the more aggressive > self-promoters > [sustained and direct eye contact]. I had hoped to fend off patronizing > mess

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/03/2012 07:35 PM, Robert Myers wrote: There is also just the outside chance that someone, rather than trying to make me into a Better Person [tm], might have a useful suggestion to make, which clearly you do not. You hope that someone might have a useful suggestion, but rather than ask

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/04/2012 09:10 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > > Maybe I'll be sufficiently frustrated with Ubuntu that something else > will happen > > in the end, but, right now, it's looking like Windows for the laptop and > anything > > but Fedora for everyt

Re: After sleep, telnet on local host fails

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/03/2012 06:58 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > >> >> NetworkManager generally closes the firewall down, brings the network >> up (and if it's a wireless, that includes authenticating, et al) and >> then starts the firewall. >> > > That's strange.

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > Remember, Windows is designed as an OS for the masses, and it's designed > to be used mostly by people with no real understanding of computers or how > they work. > And this is EXACTLY the reason why such an OS must of necessity be made impervi

Re: After sleep, telnet on local host fails

On 07/03/2012 06:58 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: NetworkManager generally closes the firewall down, brings the network up (and if it's a wireless, that includes authenticating, et al) and then starts the firewall. That's strange. Shouldn't the firewall be up before networking? -- users mailing lis

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/03/2012 06:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: You can say whatever snarky things you want to about Windows (and no one enjoys trashing Microsoft and its straight out of a Pixar movie management more than I do), I'm not being snarky. There are a number of things that Windows does well, or that o

Re: After sleep, telnet on local host fails

On 07/03/2012 06:25 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan issued this missive:: After waking my system up from sleep mode, telnet on the local host doesn't work for a minute or two. Here's a typical attempt, which was run about a minute after waking the system up: $ telnet localhost 25 Trying ::1

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 7/3/2012 9:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Joe Zeff > wrote: > > On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > > Fedora > doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows. > > > And why should it? That would be se

After sleep, telnet on local host fails

After waking my system up from sleep mode, telnet on the local host doesn't work for a minute or two. Here's a typical attempt, which was run about a minute after waking the system up: $ telnet localhost 25 Trying ::1... telnet: connect to address ::1: Connection refused

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/04/2012 09:10 AM, Robert Myers wrote: > Maybe I'll be sufficiently frustrated with Ubuntu that something else will > happen > in the end, but, right now, it's looking like Windows for the laptop and > anything > but Fedora for everything else. Why not just go quietly? Nothing being said h

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > >> Fedora >> doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows. >> > > And why should it? That would be setting the bar far, far too low. You can say whatever snarky things you want to about Windo

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/03/2012 07:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: Hello, all, I've been using Red Hat and then Fedora for a long time. The only reason I've stuck with Fedora this long is that I am very grateful to Red Hat for its contribution to the community. HOWEVER. As time has passed, Fedora has become increas

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: The precipitating event is actually caused by Windows, which will not accommodate all 24Gb of RAM I have on one machine without my paying blackmail (which I would have to pay over and over again), and Fedora doesn't even aim at being a replacement for W

Re: TeX update failure with texlive-release.repo

On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 12:21 -0400, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm using the texlive-release repo under Fedora-17 > in order to get a recent version of TeXLive. > (I want to run luatex, and this seems the easiest way.) > > I've been getting the following dependency error > for the last few days: > --

Re: No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

On 07/03/2012 04:31 PM, David A. De Graaf wrote: As I also mentioned, this problem occurs on only one of four machines on which I've installed F17. The other three work properly. There is no difference in the way I installed F17, that I'm aware of. Are there any significant differences between

Re: And don't let the door hit you on the way out

On 07/03/2012 04:10 PM, Robert Myers wrote: Fedora doesn't even aim at being a replacement for Windows. And why should it? That would be setting the bar far, far too low. You complain about how it's getting harder and harder to find various settings. Is that in the GUI, or the CLI? If you

Re: No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 11:45:06PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 03.07.2012, David A. De Graaf wrote: > > > There are so many major faults with grub2 it's hard to see where to > > begin. The most egregious are these: > [] > > Do you have any proof for your statements? Yes, as I think I de

And don't let the door hit you on the way out

Hello, all, I've been using Red Hat and then Fedora for a long time. The only reason I've stuck with Fedora this long is that I am very grateful to Red Hat for its contribution to the community. HOWEVER. As time has passed, Fedora has become increasingly demanding, idiosyncratic, and user-hosti

Re: No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

On 03.07.2012, David A. De Graaf wrote: > There are so many major faults with grub2 it's hard to see where to > begin. The most egregious are these: [] Do you have any proof for your statements? I installed F17 on 12 different machines since it's release, and encountered not a single probl

No grub2 menu display; can't boot F17

I've filed the text below as Bug 837430 - No grub2 menu; can't boot new F17 installation But since the grub2 developers are probably overwhelmed at this point, and since folks on this list are usually very helpful, I'll post it here too. If anyone has seen this problem, or even better, has a so

hibernate and suspend broken on F17 i686 desktop

I have an i686 desktop (dual core 2GHZ Pentium 4), on which suspend and hibernate have not worked properly since sometime in the 3.1 kernel series. This system has 4GB RAM and uses the PAE kernel. Under F16, I kept updating the kernel and finding each time that suspend and hibernate did not work,

Re: cups and selinux on fedora

On 07/03/2012 01:35 PM, Gergely Buday wrote: setenforce 0 I also had problem with installing that driver for a Samsung CLX3175FN and I still can't get it to print on a PC . I had to set about 7-8 Selinux rules to get it to print on a Laptop. Open the Selinux Troubleshooter in > Menu > System

Re: powerdown restarts

Paweł Brodacki wrote: 2012/7/2 Richard Vickery : On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: How do we boot up after "halt" or "sleep"? I quit using these commands years ago for lack of knowledge about booting back up. The man pages never gave me what I needed to know, and now that it has

Re: Optical media drive emulation in linux kernel

JD wrote: On 06/30/2012 03:43 PM, Andy Blanchard wrote: On 30 June 2012 22:38, JD mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Does it exist? What about kernel add-on packages that would insert the pseudo-driver shim and the apps to use it? If you mean, for instance, can I put an ISO ima

Re: powerdown restarts

Richard Vickery wrote: On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Joe Zeff mailto:j...@zeff.us>> wrote: On 07/02/2012 11:00 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: I have several systems which either reboot or drop to some zombie mode on shutdown from the WM (GNOME3, XFCE, Cinnamon) and on all of t

Re: F16 - Password requirements

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/03/2012 08:56 AM, Jeffrey Ross issued this missive:: > > How do I relax the password requirements in Fedora? >> >> I though adjusting /etc/pam.d/system-auth was were the changed needed to >> be made, I made this change: >> >> #password

cups and selinux on fedora

Hi there, I installed a Samsung unified driver for my printer and it did not work. It turned out that setenforce 0 cured the problem. But this is strange - shouldn't there be an selinux rule for cups so that it can print? Which package has the bug then? Cups, selinux or the proprietary driver?

Re: F16 - Password requirements

On 07/03/2012 08:56 AM, Jeffrey Ross issued this missive:: How do I relax the password requirements in Fedora? I though adjusting /etc/pam.d/system-auth was were the changed needed to be made, I made this change: #passwordrequisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 type= password

Re: F17 XDMCP

Gordon Messmer wrote: On 07/02/2012 07:08 AM, Ken Smith wrote: I would suggest deprecated as the settings for the function have been buried. It suppose it depends on how you define deprecated. No, they haven't. They're still in custom.conf, where they've been for some time. The burie

TeX update failure with texlive-release.repo

I'm using the texlive-release repo under Fedora-17 in order to get a recent version of TeXLive. (I want to run luatex, and this seems the easiest way.) I've been getting the following dependency error for the last few days: --- Error: Package: R-core-2.15.0-1.fc17.i

F16 - Password requirements

How do I relax the password requirements in Fedora? I though adjusting /etc/pam.d/system-auth was were the changed needed to be made, I made this change: #passwordrequisite pam_cracklib.so try_first_pass retry=3 type= passwordsufficientpam_unix.so sha512 shadow nullok try_first_pa

Re: Can DHCP deamon expire leases "lazily"?

On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:18:08 +0930 Tim wrote: > If they keep time so badly, you might want to play around with NTP > servers forcing the clock back into sync, quite often. This is with NTP - you should see how bad they are without it :-). I found a complicated whitepaper on the vmware web site t

Re: F17 XDMCP

Gordon Messmer wrote: {snip} It sounds like the X server is crashing or locking up. Try this: Reset the machine running the X server. Possibly reset the F17 host as well, since it's complaining about too many sessions from your X server host. When you run X -query, capture data using s

Re: Can DHCP deamon expire leases "lazily"?

On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 07:37 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > I've got some virtual machines with old kernels that know nothing > about virt clocks. They keep time so horribly when loaded up with > testbed runs that they forget to renew their DHCP lease, which > results in their name being removed from t

Can DHCP deamon expire leases "lazily"?

I've got some virtual machines with old kernels that know nothing about virt clocks. They keep time so horribly when loaded up with testbed runs that they forget to renew their DHCP lease, which results in their name being removed from the DNS server, which results in testbed failure :-(. Does any

Re: Optical media drive emulation in linux kernel

On 01/07/12 05:38, JD wrote: Does it exist? What about kernel add-on packages that would insert the pseudo-driver shim and the apps to use it? I don't believe so. You probably need something like: http://cdemu.sourceforge.net which incidentally does work quite well but you'll need to go throu

Re: powerdown restarts

Paweł Brodacki writes: > If the system was shut down, then it would just remain shut down after > power was restored. Modern BIOSes often have a setting to turn on after a power restore. That lets you power down the system right away and save battery, yet come back up when the power returns. Co

socket files in /tmp/at-spi2

When starting up Fed17 a number of 'sockets' get created in /tmp/at-spi2. The same when starting apps. However these sockets are not removed when closing the apps or shutting down Fed17. So the number of these sockets keeps increasing. Is this normal behaviour or should I file a bug? Alexander

Re: mobile broadband

On 07/03/2012 01:06 PM, Mulkesh Sharma wrote: sir i am just start using linex i don't know how it works. but it seems quit interesting. sir i try to use my mobile broadband to run internet in fedora, but don't know how . sir please help me click on network icon on top panel right side sele

mobile broadband

sir i am just start using linex i don't know how it works. but it seems quit interesting. sir i try to use my mobile broadband to run internet in fedora, but don't know how . sir please help me -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http