Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On Feb 27, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Sadly, this once-satirical comment about upgrades is increasingly relevant: > There are two definitions of upgrade: Upgrade, n. In software, a new version of an applic

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I wanted to upgrade a quad code Xeon Apple Server, but any attempt to do so results in “You can’t do that!” Bob On Feb 27, 2014, at 15:39 , Richard Gaskin wrote: > Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by > upgrading to OS X 10.6: > > Looks like I had more fa

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Yeah Leo LaPorte is not thrilled with that whole deal either, and he recommends post production guys go with Adobe’s product. Feels like the fall of an empire. Bob On Feb 27, 2014, at 16:12 , stephen barncard wrote: > "like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn’t cost a thing. " > > It

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"like Lion and Mountain Lion, Mavericks doesn’t cost a thing. " It costs a LOT if one can run 32 bit any more… more bricks on the shelf. Maybe Apple can shut up for a while now that they've forced everyone to 64 bit. It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't tried to axe popular apps with completely n

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Re. my suggestion that it may be possible for older Macs to stay safe by upgrading to OS X 10.6: Looks like I had more faith in Apple than their decisions warrant, as they just knifed the baby, and 19% of Mac users along with it: Apple Retires Snow Leopard Support, Leaves 1 In 5 Macs In The

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I compared a PC laptop once with the same hardware, memory, hard drive and quality of display, including the graphics chip, and the price difference was within $200 for Apple’s top of the line Macbook Pro. The difference is, as you touched on, that Apple does not make lower end products that can

AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

twoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:38 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5 > > So Apple sold you an upgrade for your MacBook and the upgrade cannot be > installed? > Is it really a retail DVD and not a gray recovery DVD? > What is support saying? I read

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Tiemo said early 2007, so it's actually a 2006 (i.e. original intel model) MacBook right? The 2007 model was introduced mid-2007. Even so there are still plenty of folks online who say they have Snow Leopard running just fine on their 2006 MacBook - it seems the only reason you might not be able

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Tiemo Hollmann wrote: Hi Matthias, thats what I did, and the installer of snow leopard told me, my hardware is out of date and incompatible. I'm sorry to hear that. Apple makes good computers, but their costs average about twice that of PCs. Good components and all that so I'm not making a

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

>> von Matthias Rebbe | M-R-D >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:21 >> An: How to use LiveCode >> Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5 >> >> >> Hi Tiemo, >> >> i did a quick search and found this here >> >> https://discussions

AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2014 17:21 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5 > > > Hi Tiemo, > > i did a quick search and found this here > > https://discussions.apple.com/message/19930525#19930525 > > So it seems you have to contact Appl

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Hi Tiemo, i did a quick search and found this here https://discussions.apple.com/message/19930525#19930525 So it seems you have to contact Apple Sales to order an SL upgrade dvd for your MacBook 2007. Regards, Matthias Am 26.02.2014 um 17:12 schrieb Tiemo Hollmann TB : > Hi Richard, > >

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Hi Tiemo Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote > ...and I have to pay 500 bucks every year just that runrev doesn't shut > off my old > license. Yes it does seem unfair that you would have to keep paying just to access an older version of LC - maybe Heather could make an exception and change the licence type

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Hi Richard, it is a standard MacBook (not pro) with a 2.2Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo from beginning 2007 which was at least over here pretty popular for standard users. The search for updates doesn't offers me any updates anymore and a manual try to install 10.6 is refused by the installer because of "h

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Tiemo Hollmann wrote: I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to drop support for OS 10.5. Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC computers I don't know, why you set 10.5 == PPC. I don't

AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

And those Bulgarians with a good running MacBook from 2007 have the money to buy a new one??? Even in Germany most ones would hesitate for another couple of years to spend such a sum, if the old machine still runs. Tiemo > > Dropping support for Windows XP would be fairly foolish (while dropping

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 26/02/14 11:23, Dirk prive wrote: Dropping XP seems to be a little more controversial, but it looks like this might be dropped as well, since MS won't support it anymore anyway. I guess support for the old platforms takes up time and needs to stop at a certain point in time. There is alwa

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Oh I forgot to say: I appreciate this conversation started by Ben/RunRev immensely, and think these kind of questions should be asked several times each month, ideally as often as any kind of decisions, for example syntax changes, come up. -- Use an alternative Dictionary viewer: http://bjo

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25.02.2014, at 18:08, Mark Schonewille wrote: > No longer supporting OSX 10.5 will definitely be a blow in the face for the > educational market! I agree with the direction of Mark's point, but maybe not with the way he assesses it's severity. Maintaining good terms with the educational

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Some other dev platform I use dropped PPC a long time ago, and just dropped support for anything below 10.7. They also asked about dropping support for Windows XP. Dropping 10.6 met with a little resistance there, but didn't lead to a revolt against the dev platform. Dropping XP seems to be a littl

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

This is absolutely right: > The Kickstarter campaign was all about modernizing LC. It's a clear choice to > me: drop 10.5 support. As others have said, people who want to maintain > their old systems can use old versions of LC. > > Thanks, > Tom Bodine There are many of us waiting for major ne

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Hi Folks Market share is one thing and sales to that market share is another. People still on 10.5 and below are quite used to not being able to buy new software by now so probably aren't even looking. So really this is just a maintenance market (which even Apple with their huge resources don't

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 26/02/2014, at 9:26 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Good idea with the forum post. We may find others in the community who > have the time and interest to devote to maintaining a PPC build while > the core team and RunRev keeps their attention on their own ROI. Exactly! Since the current ope

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v provides me a persistent license for 6.6. I would agree. Wonderful new world. My 2 euro cents Tiemo > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Mark Schonewille > Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Februar 2014 18:21 &g

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I will have to buy a new machine for my office desktop, a PPC. Rats. Drop support. Craig -Original Message- From: Mike Kerner To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Tue, Feb 25, 2014 12:06 pm Subject: Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5 This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding. Let

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I also think that parking support for OSX 10.5 now makes sense - what is the point of including modern LC stuff like scaleFactor for machines too old to have retina screens? - "Some are born coders, some achieve coding, and some have coding thrust upon them." - William Shakespeare & Hugh Se

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

+1 drop support. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Paul Hibbert wrote: > I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in > future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason > hold up so many other developers and their clients for the few that don

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I would be happy to see LC move on and drop support for Mac OS X 10.5 in future, especially if they still supply LC6.6, I don't see any good reason hold up so many other developers and their clients for the few that don't want to move on. If RR continue to supply LC6.6 with support for Mac OS X

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: > So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the > appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. > you will have a much higher percentage of 10.5 in schools where computers are usually used until they die and with macs

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I say drop 10.5 support. Any Mac OS X version older than 10.7 shouldn't be considered safe to use on the internet, because it is partially open source and there are no security updates provided for it. Meaning that hackers can tell exactly what is fixed and where the vulnerabilities of the old

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Richmond wrote: > So, what chance a Linux PPC build and/or the ability to deliver Linux > PPC standalones from other platforms? > > This is votable: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=19328 Good idea with the forum post. We may find others in the community who have the time and intere

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25.02.2014 at 17:53 Uhr +0100 Tiemo Hollmann TB apparently wrote: Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my iM

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Even if try to set aside the developer salaries and technical debt, it's not like it's going to get any less dangerous using an unsupported OS version than it was half a decade ago when it stopped getting security updates. Every year an unsupported OS is used, the only people writing system

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On Feb 25, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Richmond writes: > >> As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise >> that, frankly, that the work involved >> in not justified: so drop it. >> >> BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial >>

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often, > they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a small > bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rat

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Andrew Kluthe wrote: What is a "little longer" in your opinion? 1 year? 5 years? I would hate for runrev to spend several months to make something backwards compatible for a short time. Along with this time spent, I would imagine it would further complicate the code base in non-trivial ways. E

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PS: Richmond, have you considered trimming replies to the relevant portion you're replying to? I don't mind scrolling through a lot of text to get to your one-sentence replies on my laptop, but on mu phone it's a more cumbersome. Pruning! Best, Richmond. ___

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Richmond wrote: On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: A PowerPC build of Xubuntu is maintained by the Ubuntu community as well for those who need it. At which point it might be not a bad idea to point out that RunRev's time might be better spent putting a Linux PPC version of Livecode toge

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25/02/14 20:27, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Schonewille wrote: > Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find > out how many people are really using older systems. It seems he did both: before double-checking with the community, he cited one of the leading metrics com

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Mark Schonewille wrote: > Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find > out how many people are really using older systems. It seems he did both: before double-checking with the community, he cited one of the leading metrics commonly used for identifying OS market shar

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Richmond writes: > As "King of Retro" I would like to say 'keep Mac OS 10.5', but realise > that, frankly, that the work involved > in not justified: so drop it. > > BUT . . . Please continue to make LIvecode 6.5 and 6.6 commercial > licenses avaialble who feel compelled to build for Mac PPC c

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

No, Andrew. I think this is exactly one of RunRev's problems. Too often, they seem to have no attention for how many people are affected by a small bug or a strategical change, which seems to be rather unimportant at first sight. If you count the total number of hours that people will have to s

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Drop it if you need to... isn't it true that people can use older versions of LC if they want to build for 10.5? Keep focused on forward movement. my 2c ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, uns

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25/02/14 18:53, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: Though I can follow the arguments for concentrating the efforts on new and faster platforms, I actually can't believe that only 3,8% of Mac users would be affected (if you count notebooks to desktops). I myself have beside my iMac a MacBook from around

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

The Kickstarter campaign was all about modernizing LC. It's a clear choice to me: drop 10.5 support. As others have said, people who want to maintain their old systems can use old versions of LC. Thanks, Tom Bodine -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25/02/14 18:18, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: Dear List Members, As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode Github repository, you'll notice that: - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Le 25 févr. 2014 à 18:04, J. Landman Gay a écrit : > I vote to drop support for OS 10.5. +1 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://l

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Am 25.02.2014 um 18:02 schrieb Devin Asay : > > Dropping support for 10.5 won't affect me much, if at all, but I do worry > about the many primary and secondary schools, public and private, who still > depend on old hardware. (Richmond, this is your cue.) :) > > My recommendation would be for

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Currently, I don't target mac so it really my input doesn't matter much. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of > support for Mac OS X 10.5. That seems rather hyper

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Mike, When we gave money, we didn't expect that our reward would be the lack of support for Mac OS X 10.5. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use C

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Jacque, Dropping support for 10.5 isn't the same as dropping support for PowerPC. AFAIK, PPC support doesn't really exist for quite a while now. 10.5, however, also runs on a number of Mac models with Intel processor and LiveCode would no longer be useful on those machines. If I and hundres

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Exactly, Devin! LiveCode is just getting back on the educational market and now they are about to lose it again! -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553

Re: AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I completely agree with Tiemo's comments. This is a big issues for me. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RA

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Is there a distinction between what the LiveCode IDE needs and what a stack needs? Would an OSX 10.5 compatible standalone app be able to open and use a stack that was made in LiveCode 6.7 or later? If that’s the case then people could use the latest LiveCode for development, and then either se

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Ben, Dozens of my customers are still using Mac OS X 10.4. I'm quite surprised that you are asking about 10.5. Perhaps you shouldn't ask this list but some neutral source to find out how many people are really using older systems. Keep in mind that for people who focus on the Mac market, no

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

This is yet another opportunity for crowd-funding. Let everybody put their money where their needs are. Default: Wave and move forward. On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:04 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: > >> So we'd like to consult the community to gauge

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 2/25/14, 10:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: So we'd like to consult the community to gauge whether now is the appropriate time to cease our support for Mac OS X 10.5. I haven't built for PowerPC in ages and no one has ever noticed. I vote to drop support for OS 10.5. -- Jacqueline Landman

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

A little historical perspective: Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" was released in April 2005, nearly 9 years ago. RunRev only recently announced it is dropping support for Tiger. (In v. 6.6?) The transition to Intel processors happened in 2006, 8 years ago. OS X 10.5 was released in October 2007, 6.5 ye

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Terence Heaford wrote: > I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a > little guilty about posting regarding this subject... You needn't feel guilty at all. Freely sharing code is what the GPL is all about. You would only need a Commercial license if you need to deploy

AW: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

25. Februar 2014 17:19 > An: LiveCode Developer List; How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Support for Mac OSX 10.5 > > Dear List Members, > > As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for the > last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 25.02.2014 at 16:18 Uhr + Benjamin Beaumont apparently wrote: Dear List Members, Thanks for reading up to this point. We appreciate your feedback as it will help us in our decision making process. Warm regards, Ben My vote: Drop support for 10.5 for LC 6.7 and newer. RObert ___

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

> Richard: > I think the math is pretty compelling in favor of your proposal to drop  > support for that very old version of OS X.  > You folks have done a stellar job of supporting older versions of OS X  > longer than even Apple. Sometimes you just gotta cut the cord and move on.  +1 > Teren

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

I am currently only a user of the Community Edition and so feel a little guilty about posting regarding this subject, however… The main reason I have not become a fully paid up member is for me the lack of a speedy scrolling data grid. I am currently also evaluating Xojo. I really don’t want

Re: Support for Mac OSX 10.5

On 2/25/14 8:18 AM, Benjamin Beaumont wrote: ... > As we approach a DP we have a decision to make in regards to our > continuing support for older platforms, in particular, Mac OSX 10.5. ... > However, only 3.8% of Mac desktop computers are running MacOS X 10.5 > according to netmarketshare.com

Support for Mac OSX 10.5

Dear List Members, As many of you will know, we have been overhauling the LiveCode engine for the last 12 months or so. For those of you who are watching the LiveCode Github repository, you'll notice that: - LiveCode 7 (Unicode) is nearing a workable engine. - LiveCode 6.7 (Cocoa) is nearing a wo