Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-11 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Already reported (dictionary rect stuck out of range) Swasti Astu! Be Well ( from my mobile ) On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:56 AM -0800, "RM" mailto:richmondmathew...@gmail.com>> wrote: I was playing around with LiveCode 8.0 DP 14 on Windows 7 VMware (as one does when life gets a bit tedious on

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-11 Thread RM
I was playing around with LiveCode 8.0 DP 14 on Windows 7 VMware (as one does when life gets a bit tedious on the Linux side: I suppose it's because there is none of the excitement of ransomware, viruses, Trojan horses and so on) and could not help but notice [pomposity at its best] that the rev

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-09 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Feb 6, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Roland Huettmann wrote: > My rule of thumb: Make a good estimation of how much time you need for your > project. Think about it deeply. Use all kinds of techniques to come to a > viable conclusion. Be 100% sure that you will do it during that period of > time. And then

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-06 Thread Earthednet-wp
Well said, Roland! My sentiments as well. The dev team is putting a lot of reliance on the users to do a lot of testing, and we will probably keep finding bugs, which the team will jump on. They deserve a lot of respect. A local Santa Barbara philosopher said: "I am not perfect, but parts of me

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-06 Thread Roland Huettmann
The contribution of Dr. Hawkins to this subject the other has made me think a lot. I am not sure if I have that kind of competency to even write a reply. But finally I decided to contribute some of my reflection. Though I know from many many years of experience with hundreds of developers that fo

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Kay C Lan
At first, I've got to say I was thoroughly underwhelmed... but then discovered I hadn't updated at all. I normally always use the link provided to grab the download but for some reason this time I just used the 'Check for Updates' in the Help menu. I should have realised something was up when the

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 12:43 AM, RM wrote: > > I'm not a gambler either. But I do know one thing: > > Despite my periodic "snotty patches": LiveCode has always delivered when > it comes > to stable releases. If one wants to run at the front of the pack (i.e. > developing with > Developer previews

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Suit yourself. > > I regard testing new software my business relies on as part of the ongoing > cost of developing and maintaining my products. > > You know better than most that given the combinatorial explosion of > possible syntax and fea

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Roger Eller
There's no reason as far as I can see that a Linux native user can't VNC to a remote Mac for the portion of testing that requires a Mac. The same is true of a Windows native user. ~Roger On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Monte Goulding wrote: > > That may be easier said t

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
Monte Goulding wrote: > That may be easier said than done considering as far as I can tell > from following progress at the moment there's no IDE only team. > Instead there appears to be variable degrees of input between the > engine and the IDE from the whole team. While it's relatively easy to >

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Monte Goulding
That may be easier said than done considering as far as I can tell from following progress at the moment there's no IDE only team. Instead there appears to be variable degrees of input between the engine and the IDE from the whole team. While it's relatively easy to do what you are suggesting fo

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter Haworth wrote: > I saw that this release includes "better desktop theming" for desktop > apps, but should all my stacks be displayed with a grey background on > OSX? I know I can override this but is that really the way native > apps look on OSX? I'm having a hard time finding one that doe

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
Really? On 5.02.2016 01:29, Ali Lloyd wrote: The error you posted was nothing to do with the dictionary. It was an error in the menubar, a stack which you have been making changes to. How have I been making changes to the menubar? Sorry; must be missing something here :-[ Richmond.

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
Roger Eller wrote: > Perhaps "apparent" was not the right word, and was mis-used in my > moment of frustration. Happens to all of us. You should see the many emails I don't send - sometimes we just need to vent. :) > However, I would still love to see the stats on platform-specific > (human

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
Well said that man! The other day I "stumbled" over a C++ book and thought * censored * [so many filthy words that my message would offend everybody]. I know why I'm with LiveCode. Richmond. On 5.02.2016 18:26, Ralph DiMola wrote: Ferreting out bugs in new LC versions a real time waster un

RE: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Ralph DiMola
, February 04, 2016 9:20 PM To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Subject: Re: Release 8.0 DP 14 Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> "Developer Preview" is not "Stable", but the purpose of a DP is to >> allow e

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: > I am absolutely sure that when LiveCode 8 comes to fruition it > will make all that has gone before look very inferior. A while > back I characterised LC 8 as where LiveCode really escapes its > HyperCard ancestry and becomes very much its own beast: the ape > comes down from th

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
On 5.02.2016 01:29, Ali Lloyd wrote: We are currently in a DP cycle, and I know it will come back to bite me if I say I think it is very stable, so forgive me for being cautious. Richmond, I may have missed it - did you answer my question? The error you posted was nothing to do with the dictio

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Roger Eller
Perhaps "apparent" was not the right word, and was mis-used in my moment of frustration. However, I would still love to see the stats on platform-specific (human interaction) testing times at RR before a new version is announced. Sub-platforms would be interesting to see as well, such as Windows

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Peter TB Brett
On 05/02/2016 02:35, Roger Eller wrote: I installed it and launched it just before leaving work for the day. There wasn't time to file a report, but hey, apparently RunRev didn't care enough to even try it in Windows 7 64-bit. Therefore, I don't feel too bad about my share of effort in testin

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
On 5.02.2016 01:29, Ali Lloyd wrote: We are currently in a DP cycle, and I know it will come back to bite me if I say I think it is very stable, so forgive me for being cautious. Richmond, I may have missed it - did you answer my question? The error you posted was nothing to do with the dictio

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
On 5.02.2016 04:20, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> "Developer Preview" is not "Stable", but the purpose of a DP is to >> allow everyone the opportunity to make sure "Stable" is stable. >> >> So start testing with v8 today.

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
On 5.02.2016 03:33, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: "Developer Preview" is not "Stable", but the purpose of a DP is to allow everyone the opportunity to make sure "Stable" is stable. So start testing with v8 today. LC is both broad and deep. Testin

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread RM
On 5.02.2016 01:29, Ali Lloyd wrote: We are currently in a DP cycle, and I know it will come back to bite me if I say I think it is very stable, so forgive me for being cautious. Richmond, I may have missed it - did you answer my question? The error you posted was nothing to do with the dictio

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-05 Thread Monte Goulding
Great stuff Ali! Sent from my iPhone > On 5 Feb 2016, at 6:51 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > Funny you should say that, as I started working on that very thing > yesterday. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url t

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Ali Lloyd
Funny you should say that, as I started working on that very thing yesterday. The drawing part is relatively easy, but I'm encountering a few issues getting the focus part to work. Should hopefully have it finished today though. http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16756, if you want to tra

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Monte Goulding
> On 5 Feb 2016, at 12:49 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > The selected object is now indicated in the project browser by a dotted > line. I like this new feature Ali both on the project browser and the selected object. Now that there’s a dashed line though I can’t help wondering if the selection han

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
Roger Eller wrote: > I installed it and launched it just before leaving work for the day. > There wasn't time to file a report, but hey, apparently RunRev didn't > care enough to even try it in Windows 7 64-bit. Sometimes what may seem "apparent" may be more a matter of inference. Have you consi

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Peter Haworth
I saw that this release includes "better desktop theming" for desktop apps, but should all my stacks be displayed with a grey background on OSX? I know I can override this but is that really the way native apps look on OSX? I'm having a hard time finding one that does. On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:3

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Roger Eller
I installed it and launched it just before leaving work for the day. There wasn't time to file a report, but hey, apparently RunRev didn't care enough to even try it in Windows 7 64-bit. Therefore, I don't feel too bad about my share of effort in testing thus far. I'll have a closer look tomorro

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Mark Wieder
On 02/04/2016 05:33 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: I've already reduced my law practice to accommodate this; adding testing time for the ext version (with a different file format) would mean cutting into the bone on my income; my kids need to eat. Other issues aside (I wouldn't switch to 8 at this poi

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
Roger Eller wrote: I installed it in Win 7 64-bit. When it starts, a bunch of errors are shown, and the message box ui text is overlapping. It is unusable. Thanks for testing. What's your bug report number? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the De

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> "Developer Preview" is not "Stable", but the purpose of a DP is to >> allow everyone the opportunity to make sure "Stable" is stable. >> >> So start testing with v8 today. >> >> LC is both broad and deep. Testing a n

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Roger Eller
I installed it in Win 7 64-bit. When it starts, a bunch of errors are shown, and the message box ui text is overlapping. It is unusable. On Feb 4, 2016 7:14 PM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: > Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > >> I'm afraid not - even if t

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > "Developer Preview" is not "Stable", but the purpose of a DP is to allow > everyone the opportunity to make sure "Stable" is stable. > > So start testing with v8 today. > > LC is both broad and deep. Testing a new engine version with your >

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > >> I'm afraid not - even if the current crop of 7.1 RCs weren't >> intended to be the last ones, and the 8.0 script editor weren't >> forked, there were several changes in the engine facilitating >> the performance boost whic

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Ali Lloyd
We are currently in a DP cycle, and I know it will come back to bite me if I say I think it is very stable, so forgive me for being cautious. Richmond, I may have missed it - did you answer my question? The error you posted was nothing to do with the dictionary. It was an error in the menubar, a s

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > So yes, you should be considering wholesale transfer to 8 ASAP. The vast > majority of further work on 8.0 will be LiveCode Builder or IDE related, so > the core engine is pretty stable and has many improvements over the 7.1 > engine. > Umm, "p

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread RM
On 4.02.2016 22:36, Ali Lloyd wrote: Yes, 6 and 7 will be EOLed when 8.0 GM is released - at the moment they are being updated only for critical reasons (eg SSL update, or XCode compatibility). So yes, you should be considering wholesale transfer to 8 ASAP. The vast majority of further work on

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Ali Lloyd
Yes, 6 and 7 will be EOLed when 8.0 GM is released - at the moment they are being updated only for critical reasons (eg SSL update, or XCode compatibility). So yes, you should be considering wholesale transfer to 8 ASAP. The vast majority of further work on 8.0 will be LiveCode Builder or IDE rela

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > I'm afraid not - even if the current crop of 7.1 RCs weren't intended to be > the last ones, and the 8.0 script editor weren't forked, there were several > changes in the engine facilitating the performance boost which cannot be > easily backpor

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread RM
On 4.02.2016 21:18, Ali Lloyd wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:49 PM Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: *Script Editor Performance* The script editor's performance with large scripts has been improved. Is there any way that this can make it into 7? I lo

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Ali Lloyd
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:49 PM Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > > > > > *Script Editor Performance* > > The script editor's performance with large scripts has been improved. > > > > Is there any way that this can make it into 7? I lose amazing amounts

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > *Script Editor Performance* > The script editor's performance with large scripts has been improved. > Is there any way that this can make it into 7? I lose amazing amounts of time on a daily bases to my 10k line scripts . . . -- Dr. Richa

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread RM
Bug Number: 16848 I do hope this helps. Richmond. On 4.02.2016 18:51, RM wrote: So, here I am on Xubuntu 15.10 64-bit, having just installed LiveCode 8.0 DP 14: 1. All the coloured icons in the menuBar stack are now in black (possibly this is intentional). 2. Clicking on the Dictionary

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread RM
So, here I am on Xubuntu 15.10 64-bit, having just installed LiveCode 8.0 DP 14: 1. All the coloured icons in the menuBar stack are now in black (possibly this is intentional). 2. Clicking on the Dictionary I get a large, empty, white stack and an error message: ERROR: Error when sendin

Re: Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > > We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 14. > > *Script Editor Performance* > The script editor's performance with large scripts has been improved. > Considerably. Thank you! -- Trevor DeVore ScreenSteps www.screensteps.c

Release 8.0 DP 14

2016-02-04 Thread Ali Lloyd
Dear list members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.0 DP 14. Warning: this is not a stable release. Please ensure you back up your stacks before testing them. *IMPORTANT*: It is especially vital that you back up your stacks before testing them in 8.0 DP 14, as there has been