John Dixon writes:
> > Yes!!! Thinking it all started because I was stuck on the bridge...
>
> Andre..
>
> You are right... 'Gotta love this list'... by how quickly it can go off topic
Well, musically speaking the bridge is sort of off topic anyway...
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> From: an...@andregarzia.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:56:44 -0200
> Subject: Re: [OT] A tale of App Store rejection
> To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
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> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > ROTFL. Gotta love this list, no?
>
>
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> ROTFL. Gotta love this list, no?
Yes!!! Thinking it all started because I was stuck on the bridge...
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Monday, January 21, 2013, 12:11:31 PM, someone wrote:
> > Sorry Richard, I have the highest respect for you, but I think the
> > notion that apple is for oldies just won't stick to my brain.
> Fortunately we have the same opinion, because that's not what I wrote.
ROTFL. Gotta love this list, n
On 22/01/2013, at 03:37 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Terry Judd wrote:
>
> > On 21/01/2013, at 01:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >
> >> But now the younger generation is smarter and far more tech-savvy
> >> than their parents, and all that hand-holding is just not cool
> >> with them. They know
Robert Sneidar wrote:
> On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Apple got where they are on a message of "Think Different", but now
>> that they're the largest and most powerful multinational in tech
>> that message no longer applies.
>
> Everyone sees the world around them differ
Everyone sees the world around them differently. But it wasn't that long ago
that we got iPhone and then iPad. Not revolutionary enough? Other companies
seemed to think so because they copied the form factor and now what they are
doing is being called revolutionary. I have a 27" iMac sitting on
Terry Judd wrote:
> On 21/01/2013, at 01:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> But now the younger generation is smarter and far more tech-savvy
>> than their parents, and all that hand-holding is just not cool
>> with them. They know what they're doing, and they like software
>> that respects what
On 21/01/2013, at 01:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> But now the younger generation is smarter and far more tech-savvy than their
> parents, and all that hand-holding is just not cool with them. They know
> what they're doing, and they like software that respects what they know.
Hey Richard -
On 01/20/2013 06:45 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
All your arguments rest inexorably on the precept that Apple "owes
you something". Show me in any contract you and Apple have entered
into where Apple is obligated to accept any app you submit!
I'm sorry, Bob, but this is just BS. It's not about wha
Roger Eller wrote:
> Scratch that. Just give them time and they will sour the milk for the iOS
> generation all by themselves. I've witnessed a few converts already.
I see it all the time, and their falling market share reflects it.
Changing from a computer company to a consumer electronics one
Andre, since UAE exists for every platform, just release it for Amiga. That
makes it truly write once, deploy everywhere. ;-)
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On Jan 20, 2013, at 17:37, Andre Garzia wrote:
> These are interesting times and even if Apple is king now, rebellions do
> happen.
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On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
> Is the system flawed? Sure! All things men make are! I just have a hard
> time swallowing that Apple has a beef with Andre or with developers in
> general.
Thanks for the kind words Roger and Robert but since every mac I had broke
2 days
Scratch that. Just give them time and they will sour the milk for the iOS
generation all by themselves. I've witnessed a few converts already.
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On Jan 20, 2013 8:22 PM, "Roger Eller" wrote:
> Andre is a good and nice guy who is just trying to do a nice thing for
> people. I l
Just for the record, it was not my intent to specifically call you
lazy in an earlier comment, Bob, but rather the entire mindset of
"easy security at any cost" that I was addressing. And for certain, I
do have a bone to pick with Apple, just as I did before the Feds took
issue with Microsoft, but
Okay. But no one yet has offered a credible argument for how someone can agree
to something, then act contrary to it, then call it "good". I like Andre. I
like what he is trying to do. He can get there by making his app more
utilitarian as some have offered suggestions about. No one, not even Ap
Andre is a good and nice guy who is just trying to do a nice thing for
people. I like that about people. It is NOT the developers fault for not
honoring the mumbo jumbo Apple spews in their contract, or more correctly,
their control of you. Any person who has been taught basic values of good
and ba
I agree Andre. I was all about "I bought it I can do whatever the hell I like
with it" when Apple was trying to establish legal grounds to prevent people
from jail breaking their iPhones. No company should be able to own anything
they sold outright to someone else. That was absurd. That was deci
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
> All your arguments rest inexorably on the precept that Apple "owes you
> something". Show me in any contract you and Apple have entered into where
> Apple is obligated to accept any app you submit! Did you not read the
> terms? Your fault
All your arguments rest inexorably on the precept that Apple "owes you
something". Show me in any contract you and Apple have entered into where Apple
is obligated to accept any app you submit! Did you not read the terms? Your
fault if you did not. Did you agree to those terms knowing full well
The consumers don't care.
Hodie Non Cras
On 2013-01-20, at 6:56 PM, Warren Samples wrote:
> I don't feel Apple has any interest that justifiably trumps the interest of
> consumers to determine for themselves what is useful and valuable or the
> interests of developers who have an idea they be
On 01/20/2013 04:10 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
They are saying, "can you make more utilitarian and useful to the
general market?" Why is that pissing so many people off in the name
of freedom? I don't get it. It seems some, not you I think, have a
bone to pick with apple, and this seems an easy ta
Erm. Had it not dawned on you that this might be because apple has this
restrictive policy in the first place? It's like some roman in a bar, saying,
"I don't see why we have to pay these excessive taxes. I personally have never
seen one of these supposed 'Germanic horde!"
Bob Sneidar
IT Manage
Hi Andre. Respectfully I agree to disagree. My iPhone has never been
compromised. My Mac laptop has. I think what apple is asking you to do as a
developer is not egregious. A few features and off you go. Apple is not saying
here, "damn you and you app we will never let it see the light of day!!!
It is easily to believe what they want you to believe, but I have not yet
experienced any of the fear induced plagues that Apple says I will. Some
people seem to be born with a need to feel protected. Haha - word
prediction suggested "pretty" instead of protected.
~Roger
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On
Absolute freedom and absolute security are mutually exclusive. At least in the
present state of the world as we know it. The trick is balance. You think
balance lies further towards the freedom side of things. I, being an IT guy who
has seen people hand their lives over to villains because they
On 1/20/13 3:07 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
It is already available on Android. It was my target market since I was an
Android user (now I am back to WebOS because it is smarter than Android).
Check out https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.amoralabs.eponte
:-D
That looks fantastic!
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
> While I agree that having to firewall off our personal devices is very
> inconvenient, lets remember who the true villains are here. Identity
> thieves, indiscriminate spammers, social engineers, etc. yes children, the
> world is a bad, bad
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
> While I agree that having to firewall off our personal devices is very
> inconvenient, lets remember who the true villains are here. Identity thieves,
> indiscriminate spammers, social engineers, etc. yes children, the world is a
> bad, b
While I agree that having to firewall off our personal devices is very
inconvenient, lets remember who the true villains are here. Identity thieves,
indiscriminate spammers, social engineers, etc. yes children, the world is a
bad, bad place. I know some think it would be better if we all just to
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 4:14 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> I agree with your decision. You could compile your existing LiveCode app
> for Android though, without any trouble. It would allow you to release it
> to a large number of people right away on at least one platform.
Jacque,
It is already
Go Andre!
On 21/01/2013, at 2:55 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> Wow huge thread! Thanks for the kind words and suggestions. I can see here
> that we tend to fall into two camps. Those that think that Apple can do
> whatever they choose with their platform and those that feel that the t
On 01/19/2013 11:51 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
On 1/19/13 9:16 PM, Warren Samples wrote:
For all practical purposes, the market is closed and developers really
do, as a practical observation, have to distribute through Apple in
order to reach the platform.
I think there will be third-party di
On 1/20/13 9:55 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
LiveCode is not my only development environment and Eponte is an easy app.
I will port it to Blackberry, Nokia Symbian and Windows Phone. I will port
it to every mobile OS under the sun except iOS and then all the other users
will have a quick and easy way
Hey Folks,
Wow huge thread! Thanks for the kind words and suggestions. I can see here
that we tend to fall into two camps. Those that think that Apple can do
whatever they choose with their platform and those that feel that the tight
control by Apple is a bad thing.
There is a larger issue here w
In talking about the android neighbors of course.
Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
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On Jan 19, 2013, at 18:08, Warren Samples wrote:
> On 01/19/2013 07:35 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
>> They are willing to put up your app absolutely freely, if you like, so long
>> as you
On 1/19/13 9:16 PM, Warren Samples wrote:
For all practical purposes, the market is closed and developers really
do, as a practical observation, have to distribute through Apple in
order to reach the platform.
I think there will be third-party distributions for quite a while yet.
Apple can't
On 1/19/13 9:12 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Jacque-
Saturday, January 19, 2013, 7:01:03 PM, you wrote:
I don't like it either, but to be fair, developers don't *have* to sell
through the Apple stores. That's probably what keeps their system legit.
For macs that's true, but I thought iOS devices w
Man, I must really be losing it... quoting myself:
"Nor does it diminish the point that in truth, Apple shouldn't have any
control at all as to what either developers might want to build or
what the developer's customer might want to use."
- - - - -
Of all the arguments I made, that is the first
On 01/19/2013 09:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
I don't like it either, but to be fair, developers don't *have* to sell
through the Apple stores. That's probably what keeps their system legit.
I'm not a lawyer, but... (My father was, hehe)
For all practical purposes, the market is closed and de
Jacque-
Saturday, January 19, 2013, 7:01:03 PM, you wrote:
> I don't like it either, but to be fair, developers don't *have* to sell
> through the Apple stores. That's probably what keeps their system legit.
For macs that's true, but I thought iOS devices were Apple store only.
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J. Landman Gay wrote:
I don't like it either, but to be fair, developers don't *have* to sell
through the Apple stores...
...yet.
Sure, you can load software from anywhere else, but if you get it from
the Big Bad Web you face a dire warning about how it "may damage your
computer".
And the
On 1/19/13 8:04 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:
Bob-
Saturday, January 19, 2013, 5:35:48 PM, you wrote:
Shouldn't have any control at all over what people put on their
servers? Really?? You need to think again.
Er...not exactly. You're forgetting the part about having only one
place to go to install
But there is no neighbor - it's Apple or nothing, that's the whole problem.
Personally, I think it's only a matter of time before Apples gets sued over
some sort of monopoly situation.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
> Go to the next door neighbor's garage and play with h
Warren Samples wrote:
On 01/19/2013 07:35 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
They are willing to put up your app absolutely freely, if you like, so long as
you don't charge for it. That's pretty generous. What they actually owe anyone
in terms of what they allow is precisely jack diddly squat. It's th
On 01/19/2013 07:35 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
They are willing to put up your app absolutely freely, if you like, so long as
you don't charge for it. That's pretty generous. What they actually owe anyone
in terms of what they allow is precisely jack diddly squat. It's their
basketball hoop, th
Bob-
Saturday, January 19, 2013, 5:35:48 PM, you wrote:
> Shouldn't have any control at all over what people put on their
> servers? Really?? You need to think again.
Er...not exactly. You're forgetting the part about having only one
place to go to install apps on a device, so Apple can tell you
What is 30% of nothing? They are willing to put up your app absolutely freely,
if you like, so long as you don't charge for it. That's pretty generous. What
they actually owe anyone in terms of what they allow is precisely jack diddly
squat. It's their basketball hoop, their garage, and their
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Warren Samples wrote:
> On 01/18/2013 12:46 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
>>
>> Next morning you discover to your dismay that your HR department has been
>> overwhelmed with calls and emails in the hundreds of thousands, because
>> people ignored your prerequisites, an
On 01/18/2013 12:46 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote:
Next morning you discover to your dismay that your HR department has been
overwhelmed with calls and emails in the hundreds of thousands, because people
ignored your prerequisites, and everyone from housewives with no degree to
gardeners and janito
Web based iPhone 'apps' can be made easy for the user. They can be made to
easily add a launch button to the users phone from the app, and many users
won't notice the difference. CSS can be deployed to make it look like a
'real' app and some of the iPhone specific controls can be implemented.
On F
Consider that you have a business, and need to hire a certified accountant. You
put out in a nationally available newspaper classified ad that you are looking
for such a person with some contact information, but stress that only qualified
persons with at least a bachelors degree in accounting ne
On 01/18/2013 11:34 AM, Warren Samples wrote:
gratuitous features to a useful uni-purpose utility
Maybe you could add a button to your Android app: "Text this information
to my sorry iPhone using friends" :D
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On 01/17/2013 06:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
At least people on Android can enjoy easy access to the traffic conditions.
Cheers
andre
It seems perverse to me that a developer might be forced to add
gratuitous features to a useful uni-purpose utility in order to appeal
to the gadget lust of a
Andre Garzia-3 wrote
> This app was built in a day, including the server. It was a "dare" from a
> friend who said: "how fast can you build something to check on the bridge
> for Android?" and I said "fast."
Love these test and LC!
How about adding fine location gps and calculate the best route fr
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:37 AM, J. Landman Gay
wrote:
>
> I think if you could add something that is user-specific it would be
> accepted. Maybe the user could turn on an alarm to notify them when traffic
> is low, or something like that. I think it has to be personal to the user,
> not a generic
On 1/17/13 6:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
The lesson here is beware of your features because the app store is getting
very picky. Minimal applications that provide a single useful feature are
no longer good enough for them.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. One of my clients got rejected for
I was impressed with the correct usage of the word "bigoted", but I'm inclined
to agree with Apple filtering out apps that could be a simple web page. I think
that even Andre's app could remain as a cached page when on Edge network, but I
also think that they will agree with his reasoning, and w
You should have made it into a game, but with real traffic conditions.
Bob
On Jan 17, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hey Folks,
>
> I am sharing here an experience with the iOS App Store.
>
> I live in the beautiful city of Niterói in the state of Rio de Janeiro (as
> seen in http:/
Andre,
I got rejected because my detail screen had "data layout that is confusing".
I moved a couple of things around and it was approved. I assume that a
different tester looks at the app with every submission. The text did not
appear to be by the same person with each rejection. Also try adding
Hi Dixie,
I appealed with the same arguments. I am yet to receive any answer but I
don't expect them to change.
Thanks for the kind words! :-D
Cheers
andre
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:05 AM, John Dixon wrote:
> Andre...
>
> I am sorry to hear that your app has been rejected by the 'Apple Gods
Andre...
I am sorry to hear that your app has been rejected by the 'Apple Gods'... I had
a look at the android version and it looks very smart.
However, when you have an app rejected, you are allowed to appeal the decision.
Are you going to appeal ?... I would have thought that the arguments as
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