Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-29 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thursday, December 27, 2012, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 12/27/12 9:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Nah, it's left to right. >> > > Heretic. > Now wait a minut . . . There's no reason to accuse him of using emacs . . . :) -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-29 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Thursday, December 27, 2012, Peter Haworth wrote: > Nah, it's left to right Harumph. all variants on two-dimensional thinking . . . -- Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please vis

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/29/12 7:06 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: Anyway, the rant is over and it cost me 49 dollars. Cracker's for the next week. There are almost always free options for the most common things, including calendars. While you are still learning, I'd hate to see your groceries suffer unnecessarily. Th

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-29 Thread Richmond
Dear Nigel Soden, I see that you have got yourself "all hot and sweaty"; possibly rather too soon :) Have you had a look here? http://lessons.runrev.com/s/lessons sincerely, Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Ple

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-28 Thread Peter M. Brigham
>From OxfordDictionaries.com: How many words are there in the English language? There is no single sensible answer to this question. It's impossible to count the number of words in a language, because it's so hard to decide what actually counts as a word. Is dog one word, or two (a noun me

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-28 Thread Robert Sneidar
I thought English was somewhere around the order of 38,000, not counting technicial terms? I wonder how many of the 500,000 words are actually variations or tenses of another? And then there is this: Published in 1604, Robert Cawdrey's A Table Alphabeticall contained roughly 2,500 words, each m

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-28 Thread Robert Sneidar
Hi Keith. Being in IT for as long as I have, I do not think the difficulty is in enticing anyone to try Livecode. The real difficulty as I see it is threefold. First, development companies are typically standardized around the big ones, C and it's variants, and Java. If you want a job as a devel

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-28 Thread Robert Sneidar
I actually think the way you do Peter, messages rising up from the bottom to the top, but for someone new referencing a flow chart (I believe someone on the list made one up one time and posted it) I felt it might be better to put it in those terms. Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Peter M.

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-28 Thread Richmond
On 12/28/2012 12:34 PM, Keith Clarke wrote: I know I'm not alone in having great difficulties in getting experienced developers to withhold their judgement on LiveCode being anything more than hobby-ware. 'hobby-ware'; well, yerrs, if all one is looking at are baby things for teaching positi

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-28 Thread Keith Clarke
I know I'm not alone in having great difficulties in getting experienced developers to withhold their judgement on LiveCode being anything more than hobby-ware. If RunRev want to bring developers across the great divide, there must be a bridge from where the masses reside to the brave new wor

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/27/12 8:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 3:25:35 PM, you wrote: Jerry Daniels called this the difference between "earth worshippers" and "sky worshippers". He was clever like that. I've always thought of it as front-to-back myself, which I guess takes me o

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Peter Haworth
Nah, it's left to right. On Dec 27, 2012 7:15 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > On 12/27/12 8:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Jacque- >> >> Thursday, December 27, 2012, 3:25:35 PM, you wrote: >> >> Jerry Daniels called this the difference between "earth worshippers" and >>> "sky worshippers". He was

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/27/12 9:38 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: Nah, it's left to right. Heretic. On Dec 27, 2012 7:15 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: On 12/27/12 8:06 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 3:25:35 PM, you wrote: Jerry Daniels called this the difference between "earth wor

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread stgoldb...@aol.com
I have written a book titled "Computer Programming Made Ridiculously Simple with LiveCode." It presently is in draft format consisting of two files, one of text (about 168 pgs) and one of 100 figures. It is a getting-started manual designed for the LiveCode beginner. I have not as yet publish

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 3:25:35 PM, you wrote: > Jerry Daniels called this the difference between "earth worshippers" and > "sky worshippers". He was clever like that. I've always thought of it as front-to-back myself, which I guess takes me out of the worshipper categories. Excuse

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/27/12 5:18 PM, Peter M. Brigham wrote: Interesting. I mostly visualize it the opposite way, with the buttons & fields on the lowest level and then the card, background, and stack scripts higher and higher, with the engine at the top catching everything not handled by scripts, and frontscrip

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Peter M. Brigham
On Dec 27, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Concerning the message path and objects, it also helps me to think about > where the highest object (the stack script being the lowest and last to > receive a message, barring back scripts) where shared code can be accessed by > the objects o

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/28/2012 12:21 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Nigel- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 11:34:34 AM, Jacque wrote: In 4-6 weeks you'll know what you're doing, I'm sure of it. Actually, I'll bet in 6 weeks you'll be paying this forward and helping the folks who have come on board since that time. I th

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Mark Wieder
Nigel- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 11:34:34 AM, Jacque wrote: > In 4-6 weeks you'll know what you're doing, I'm sure of it. Actually, I'll bet in 6 weeks you'll be paying this forward and helping the folks who have come on board since that time. I think of LiveCode as implementing pseudocode i

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 2:02:30 PM, you wrote: > (Stripy green and white?? BARTENDER! I'll have what he's drinking!) Note to self: do NOT follow Bob down that rabbit hole... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond- Thursday, December 27, 2012, 1:03:38 PM, you wrote: > Frankly, I tend to think of each object on my 'card' in my 'stack' as > some sort of domestic appliance: Note to self: do NOT follow Richmond down that rabbit hole... -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net _

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Robert Sneidar
Especially after a few pints of that Scottish ale you drink! (Stripy green and white?? BARTENDER! I'll have what he's drinking!) Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Richmond wrote: > Wow: all those Levels! > > I have always thought of an object as a bag of sweets; and each sweet has its > own c

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2012 10:45 PM, Ralph DiMola wrote: Nigel, Jacque about said it all, I just want to add. I was in the same boat as you a little over a year ago. That 4-6 week thing was about what it took me to get going. Looking at examples, some stick-to-it-ness and help from the fine people on this li

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2012 10:17 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: Dammit! Now it makes sense! Yeah; kinda spoils the mystique :( Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:44 AM, kee nethery wrote: ZX81 CPU chip was made by Zilog (thus the "Z"). The first Sinclair used the Z80. The Z80 chip was "Z80" because it was binary

RE: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Ralph DiMola
Nigel, Jacque about said it all, I just want to add. I was in the same boat as you a little over a year ago. That 4-6 week thing was about what it took me to get going. Looking at examples, some stick-to-it-ness and help from the fine people on this list was all it took. We talked about this at RR

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Robert Sneidar
Hi Nigel. It helps me to see cards as forms. Also, you do not exactly *have to* embed you code in buttons and fields. You can put all of your nuts and bolts code in the stack script if you like, but it makes large complex apps more difficult to manage, and there is the downside that extremely la

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Robert Sneidar
N! You just insulted my favorite place to hang out! ;-) Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: > All of which would be marvellous to behold while enjoying a pint in a > traditional pub alongside the canal than in these Sport TV infested excuses > of human gathering. _

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Robert Sneidar
Dammit! Now it makes sense! Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:44 AM, kee nethery wrote: > ZX81 > > CPU chip was made by Zilog (thus the "Z"). > > The first Sinclair used the Z80. The Z80 chip was "Z80" because it was binary > compatible with the Intel 8080. The ZX81 was a Z80 CPU with more stuff a

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 12/27/12 2:24 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: Why could they not stay with standard computer technology terms. You gonna have to learn them sometime. I snipped most of it, but first off, I really enjoyed your post. Not because you are suffering but because it was so well written and explained exact

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Colin Holgate
The processor was a Z80, and the computer was released in 1981. Not sure about the X. On Dec 27, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > >Odd. Why would their first computer start with a Z and have the number 81? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread kee nethery
ZX81 CPU chip was made by Zilog (thus the "Z"). The first Sinclair used the Z80. The Z80 chip was "Z80" because it was binary compatible with the Intel 8080. The ZX81 was a Z80 CPU with more stuff added into it, thus, the ZX81 (presumably eXtra and 81 because that was the next number). Back

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2012 07:31 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: Come to think of it, no one would buy a computer named the A1. Although it worked pretty good for steak sauce... I remember the first real computer (i.e. not a bunch of Hollerith cards) I got my sweaty, teenage paws onto was called a Research Mac

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2012 10:24 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: BUT, this is what is frustrating me. WHY AM I FINDING IT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THE FLIPPING LANGUAGE. I keep tripping up on the explanation in the multitudes of examples. for example. Well, one of the reasons it that it does NOT have a "Flip

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Robert Sneidar
Come to think of it, no one would buy a computer named the A1. Although it worked pretty good for steak sauce... Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 12/27/2012 06:37 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: >> Odd. Why would their first computer start with a Z and have the number 81? > > E

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2012 06:37 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: Odd. Why would their first computer start with a Z and have the number 81? Excuse Me! The Sinclair computer was made in Scotland, Dundee, to be precise, and, as a Scotsman, while privately thinking that a first computer being called "Z81" is daft,

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread dunbarx
-Original Message- From: Nigel Soden To: use-livecode Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 3:25 am Subject: Learning LiveCode Folks I'm sitting in the confession box, hidden from the view to the confessors. (haha). I've been in this game since the days of the first Sinclair computer, remembe

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Robert Sneidar
Odd. Why would their first computer start with a Z and have the number 81? Bob On Dec 27, 2012, at 12:24 AM, Nigel Soden wrote: > Folks > > I'm sitting in the confession box, hidden from the view to the confessors. > (haha). > > I've been in this game since the days of the first Sinclair co

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread André Rombauts
Le 27 déc. 2012 à 09:24, Nigel Soden a écrit : > I'm sitting in the confession box, hidden from the view to the confessors. > (haha). > P.S. Can I leave the confession box now? Hum... It seems the place is free. Let's get in... > I've been in this game since the days of the first Sinclair com

Re: Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Colin Holgate
Hopefully you'll get over the difference in terms used in LiveCode compared to other languages. I think it would be the right tool to use for bible study applications. As an aside, you should look at Unity 3D. It's not remotely right for the apps you're talking about, but it is good fun to play

Learning LiveCode

2012-12-27 Thread Nigel Soden
Folks I'm sitting in the confession box, hidden from the view to the confessors. (haha). I've been in this game since the days of the first Sinclair computer, remember it. The ZX81. At the time I was learning to fly and progressing to become a Commercial Pilot. Then mine eyes beheld this be