Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-17 Thread Richard Gaskin
Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > OK… let's try this: margins are set to 4 Click and delete the integer > 4, change to 0 > > Close inspector.. huh? Transparent border is still there…. What? > Open inspector… sheesh… The 4 is back … I thought I just deleted it? > Is this IDE broken? It's not s

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-16 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
The use case(s) are the ones we don't want to have happen: Newbie: ("thinking: I want a group in the upper left corner of my window") Make new stack Drag out graphic set width to 200 height to 100 Add btn 1 on top; btn 2 on top Group all. Set group top 0; left 0 Huh? What's this two pixel spa

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-16 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/16/2016 10:28 AM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: A group, its dimensions, it's rect, and its properties are comprised of the objects it groups and nothing more. It is not the business of the IDE to start adding "adornments" (borders, line width, show name, margins) Aside from the backwa

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-16 Thread Richard Gaskin
Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > It matters not that in the past a group may have been used to > surround controls with a border and show a label.. in *all* other > environments (Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, synFig, whatever…) > > A group, its dimensions, it's rect, and its properties are

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-16 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Sorry if I'm being stubborn about this: I'm looking forward to the day when 100's of newbies "hit" on Livecode Community as a trial. It is better if the "gotchaya" behaviors of the IDE are reduced to the bare minimum. It matters not that in the past a group may have been used to surround cont

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-16 Thread Bob Sneidar
I propose a new property for groups. the attire. set the attire of group "not2shy" to "buttnaked". Problem solved. Bob S > On May 15, 2016, at 24:56 , Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami > wrote: > > But IMHO a group of objects should be just that, > > Not a group which also wears a hat and a dr

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-16 Thread Bob Sneidar
Why not have a Development menu in all of you projects that have little things like this? For instance I created a Center Window handler and put it into my Development menu. When I launch I check the environment and remove the development menu if it's not "development". Bob S > On May 13, 20

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-15 Thread Paul Dupuis
On 5/15/2016 6:07 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: > See and add comments here: > > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17654 > > >> But IMHO a group of objects should be just that, >> >> Not a group which also wears a hat and a dress > This is a known behavior of the default settings

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-15 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
See and add comments here: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17654 >But IMHO a group of objects should be just that, > >Not a group which also wears a hat and a dress ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit t

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-15 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
But IMHO a group of objects should be just that, Not a group which also wears a hat and a dress If I want my group to wear a hat ( have a border) Or wear A dress ( have margins) then let us do that on our own I will enter a feature change request BR ( from my mobile ) On Sat, May 14, 2016

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-14 Thread RM
I have just posted a solution to this problem here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27280 Richmond. On 14.05.2016 11:31, RM wrote: Yes, this is a nuisance, on all versions of Livecode. When I combine a background image that is, say, 128 by 128 pixels with various front images

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-14 Thread Richard Gaskin
lc at pbh.on-rev.com lc wrote: > I thought you should be able to set the templateGroup properties, > maybe using a plugin that opens on LC startup, so I tried a test > stack and found that the templateGroup props don’t apply to a new > group (at least not the margins and borderWidth), the diction

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-14 Thread RM
Yes, this is a nuisance, on all versions of Livecode. When I combine a background image that is, say, 128 by 128 pixels with various front images to do either an "import snapshot" or an "export snapshot" (something I do on average about four times a day), I would love to end up with an image th

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-13 Thread l...@pbh.on-rev.com
I thought you should be able to set the templateGroup properties, maybe using a plugin that opens on LC startup, so I tried a test stack and found that the templateGroup props don’t apply to a new group (at least not the margins and borderWidth), the dictionary suggests this should work, so I tr

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-13 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 5/13/2016 10:12 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: Proposed: the default for a new group be "clean and unadorned"… without any GUI attributes other than the objects that comprise the group. You could do this pretty easily with a custom plugin that sets up the templateGroup when LC start

Re: Defaults for groups

2016-05-13 Thread Jerry Jensen
> On May 13, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami > wrote: > > Am I the only one wishing that when we create a group the defaults should be > no border, no border width assign and margins 0? I’m with you on this. .Jerry ___ use-livecode ma

Defaults for groups

2016-05-13 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Am I the only one wishing that when we create a group the defaults should be no border, no border width assign and margins 0? This keeps biting me as the dimensions of group and what appears on screen don't match and movement of objects in the group displace the group in ways that are off by a