Sorry if I'm being stubborn about this:  I'm looking forward to the day when 
100's of newbies "hit" on Livecode Community as a trial.

It is better if the "gotchaya"  behaviors of the IDE are reduced to the bare 
minimum.

It matters not that in the past a group may have been used to surround controls 
with a border and show a label.. in *all* other environments (Indesign, 
Illustrator, Photoshop, synFig, whatever…)

A group, its dimensions, it's rect, and its properties are comprised of the 
objects it groups and nothing more. It is not the business of the IDE to start 
adding "adornments" (borders, line width, show name, margins)

The default now leave the newbie (and even me until recently) flummoxed. I turn 
the border off, set line width to 0, set the bottom of the group to the height 
of the stack…hmmm why is there a two pixel transparent space below the largest 
enclosing control in my group. Set the rect of the largest control (bkgrd)  but 
wait? Why is the group rect a different size… (OR) my background grc appears to 
be cut off.

These are the things that IMHO, make Livecode challenging… and they are so easy 
to fix. With small changes in the IDE behaviors.

A + B + C → group  →  (A+B+C) and no other props set unless you, as the 
developer, chose to make them so.

BR

 
On 5/16/16, 4:51 AM, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar" 
<use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com on behalf of 
bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com> wrote:

>Why not have a Development menu in all of you projects that have little things 
>like this? For instance I created a Center Window handler and put it into my 
>Development menu. When I launch I check the environment and remove the 
>development menu if it's not "development". 
>
>Bob S

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