I thought you should be able to set the templateGroup properties, maybe using a 
plugin that opens on LC startup, so I tried a test stack and found that the 
templateGroup props don’t apply to a new group (at least not the margins and 
borderWidth), the dictionary suggests this should work, so I tried it in LC 7 - 
no luck, then LC 5 - still no luck! so I guess this is a long standing bug that 
doesn’t affect anyone…

I’d be happy to bug report it with my test stack, but I don’t want to tread on 
any toes!

Paul


> On May 13, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami <bra...@hindu.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> Am I the only one wishing that when we create a group the defaults should be 
> no border, no border width assign and margins 0?
> 
> This keeps biting me as the dimensions of group and what appears on screen 
> don't match and movement of objects in the group displace the group in ways 
> that are off by a few pixels.  One gets a 2 pixel blank area inside the 
> group. If you set the bottom of the gropu to the bottom o the card… you still 
> get a 2 pixel transparent area underneath the group… Setting a background 
> object like a graphic to the exact same dimensions and rect of the group… 
> they don't match.
> 
> But then if you turn off the border, explicitly set line width to 0 and 
> margins to 0, the dimensions and what you see and the relation between 
> objects in the group in terms of their coordinates… all work as expected.
> 
> Proposed:
> 
> the default for a new group be "clean and unadorned"… without any GUI 
> attributes other than the objects that comprise the group.
> 
> 
> 
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