Re: Livecode Future

A bit more here (I’m in Oz) $685 at today’s rate. Just under my fortnightly age pension. And for a product that is still to be released! Still has bits that don’t work and who knows what the documentation will be like, if it even exists yet. Paying for things still to come is getting old (especia

Livecode Future - access to LC Classic IDEs

If you move an existing LC subscription over to Create... Do you lose access to the bona fide LiveCode Classic IDEs for 6.7, 9, and 10? And the licensing terms thereof for new app builds created with them? Best wishes, Curry Kenworthy Radically Innovative Christian LiveCode Development "PAS

Re: Websockets RFC 6455

I fed it the livecode reference manual ... i had a pdf of it, not sure where to find that now. Also the builder documentation from here https://livecode.com/apidocs/docs/guide.html#livecode-builder-language-reference I think I might have missed the top section of builder related guides. and the

Livecode Future - LiveCode Addons

Do we need to make application payments for LiveCode Addons? Hopefully no - Addons work on LC Classic too, so tracking doesn't seem plausible to me. If Addons even count as 'Apps'. Nor is paying both 'Internal' and 'for Sale' affordable for an LiveCode consultant who does LC work and makes A

Re: Livecode Future

It’s the one signposted as something like “growing the community”. I too dislike videos, so avoided watching this until Kevin said there was info about lifetime license holders in a video. btw, I am a hobbyist deriving no income from LC, and I think you’re incorrect about there being no place f

Re: Livecode Future

Mention was made to a video by Kevin regarding those with lifetime licenses and how it will work for them. Can someone provide a link to this video? I skimmed through the videos in the future page but couldn’t find anything (I really prefer to read rather than sit through a video.) Having purcha

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Jeff, I believe many people don't consider you to be an odd duck at all. You come from a time when software developers were akin to craftsmen. It was a more romantic era, where you would get a program like HyperCard or Visual Basic, retreat to your office with a few books, and create softw

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Kevin, Thank you very much for your response. It is an honor to receive a reply from the founder of Livecode. I had indeed misunderstood the non-commercial internal use licenses, so I appreciate the clarification. Perhaps it might be helpful to address this on the future Livecode website,

Re: Livecode Future

I’ve used Livecode since the early days of MetaCard, primarily creating educational software, educational multimedia cds included with kids books and a ton of museum exhibits. For me the new create system and licensing looks pretty untenable, but I realize I’m the odd duck. The bulk of my time

Re: Create Question...

Kevin, If I write you an email do you promise to read every single word? I want to take this opportunity to say everything there is to say, that is constructive, and not hold back. Thank you in advance. On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 2:55 PM Kevin Miller via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

Re: Create Question...

They will call home unless we agree otherwise (which is an option, as mentioned in the FAQ). However the apps will not be blocked loading if there is no connection, they will update the tracking next time they are able to get online. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ ht

Re: I seem to have missed something

> Le 24 juil. 2024 à 18:53, Kevin Miller via use-livecode > a écrit : > > Free apps remain free. Just buy one seat of either Native/Cloud or Universal > depending on what platforms you want to deploy to. In your scenario, if you > happen to be doing multiple platform development / deployment

Re: Livecode Future

Please drop a line to support so we can talk through your specific/individual question in more detail. Thanks. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 18:47, "use-livecode on behalf of jbv via use-li

Re: Create Question...

This is a good question, or if the license server goes down. I think in case of failure it has to allow the software to proceed. Otherwise EVERYTHING hinges on some droplet on digital ocean. On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 2:28 PM Dan Friedman via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

Re: Livecode Future

https://future.livecode.com/faq/ Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com > On 24 Jul 2024, at 18:23, Craig Newman via use-livecode > wrote: > > I just read "Are the current compiled classic apps going to be disabled when > the classic license expires?" > > T

Create Question...

Do apps created with the new LC platform call home at anytime?If so, what happens if the app is launched off line or the request is blocked (by a firewall other security method)? -Dan ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Plea

Re: Livecode Future

Hi list, I am a bit lost as I am trying to figure out how I fit in the new license plans. I have built a couple of desktop apps years ago for 2 different clients who use them in their business, with less than 20 users in total. These apps make intensive use of LC server and I also have 2 LC-hosti

Re: Livecode Future

I'll see if we can expand the FAQ a bit further tomorrow. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 18:23, "use-livecode on behalf of Craig Newman via use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.ru

Re: Livecode Future

No, only the revenue attributable to the app. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 18:09, "use-livecode on behalf of Riko Abadi via use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com> on b

Re: Livecode Future

I just read "Are the current compiled classic apps going to be disabled when the classic license expires?" This topic is being discussed as well on the forum. I suggested there that a FAQ page be set up because there are still fundamental questions that are causing confusion at best, and anger

Re: Livecode Future

I have developed an Android application using LiveCode which I use for my web hosting business. Customers can monitor their servers through the Android app created with LiveCode. Do I have to pay 5% of my total web hosting revenue? My backend is built with Golang, not a LiveCode server. On Wed,

Re: Websockets RFC 6455

what did you send to chatgpt to generate the LC expert model? On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 11:46 AM Tom Glod via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I also asked it to check over each answer before i accepted it. > so it is essentially 2-shot instead of the usual 1. > T

Re: I seem to have missed something

Free apps remain free. Just buy one seat of either Native/Cloud or Universal depending on what platforms you want to deploy to. In your scenario, if you happen to be doing multiple platform development / deployment, it is cheaper. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http:

Re: Livecode Future

Thanks for sharing this Tom, really appreciate it. Just one point. When you get to $1M in revenue your payments are half what you suggest I,e. $25K as the percentage steadily drops as your revenue increases. You can see an example PDF table in the FAQ under "How much are Application Payments?".

Re: I seem to have missed something

Thanks for the link. I have used livecode for years and since retiring, I only create educational, public service apps that I give away, or personal use apps that I use to manage my own needs. In the "Buy Create" page, I don't see any choice that reflects my own situation. Recently, I've spent a

Re: Livecode Future

Thanks Kevin that is much more encouraging. At least I won’t have to abandon the work I have already done. Bob S > On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:37 AM, Kevin Miller via use-livecode > wrote: > > No, those apps will continue to work. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode

Re: Livecode Future

I don’t think that there is any “phone home” to LiveCode in compiled classic apps. Peter Bogdanoff > On Jul 24, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > Are the current compiled classic apps going to be disabled when the classic > license expires? That will suck big time.

Re: Livecode Future

No, those apps will continue to work. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 17:09, "use-livecode on behalf of Bob Sneidar via use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com> on behalf o

Re: I seem to have missed something

Too late. Bob S > On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:14 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode > wrote: > > Folks... please don't click that link, its a personally tracked link and will > skew our stats weirdly :) > > The minisite link you want is here: > > https://future.livecode.com/ > > Best Regards,

Re: I seem to have missed something

Folks... please don't click that link, its a personally tracked link and will skew our stats weirdly :) The minisite link you want is here: https://future.livecode.com/ Best Regards, Heather Heather Laine Customer Services Manager LiveCode Ltd www.livecode.com > On 24 Jul 2024, at 16:56, P

Re: Livecode Future

Are the current compiled classic apps going to be disabled when the classic license expires? That will suck big time. I just compared my current license with what I would pay under the new one for 3 users. It isn’t encouraging. And right now I can distribute my app to as many users as I want. So

Re: Livecode Future

I want to add a couple of points about my own case / stance. I have been with Livecode for about 11 years. While I have not yet shipped a whole lot ...yet I took all this time to work on my skills and to build tooling for myself so that I can create small niche products extremely quickly and also

Re: I seem to have missed something

Find Out More > On Jul 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, William Prothero via use-livecode > wrote: > > Folks, > I have full lucrsnses for livecode, yet seem to have missed descriptions of > the ne

Re: Livecode Future

I think that there ought to be an option to continue to pay the classic license fee to continue to use classic, with the understanding that no future updates would be provided. I am the only developer, but I have 2 other people who use my compiled app internally. I *might* be able to convince th

I seem to have missed something

Folks, I have full lucrsnses for livecode, yet seem to have missed descriptions of the new livecode services that are being discussed. What is the "Create" platform being added? Is there a place I can get info? Thanks, Bill William A. Prothero, PhD Prof Emeritus, Dept of Earth Science Universit

Re: Websockets RFC 6455

Hi Mike, I also asked it to check over each answer before i accepted it. so it is essentially 2-shot instead of the usual 1. The reason I added the script for httpd is so that it would not need to figure out correct syntax for socket connections, by having examples of the correct syntax. Yes, I su

Re: Livecode Future

Included or not, your company is paying for the platform as a whole, per user, per month and some of that revenue will be going to Power Apps. The fact that you aren’t specifically choosing to subscribe to it is very disappointing. I won’t get into a whole argument here but that strikes me as

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Peter, Thanks for this. I'm going to send this on to support if that’s ok, so Heather can help you with your specific subscription options. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 15:27, "use-liv

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Kevin Hi Heather. I have been on LiveCode Indy - Price Lock and I want to cross over to the new Create Platform. Furthermore, my subscription is up for renewal in 6 Days. 1. Should I cancel my subscription via cleverbridge.com? 2. Does the “Per app user” in “app developer / per month billed

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Kevin , Thanks for the reply. Well that sounds promising. Totally agree if digital service VAT is deemed due then the app can no longer be classed as free. Kind Regards > On 24 Jul 2024, at 14:05, Kevin Miller via use-livecode > wrote: > > If the app is genuinely a free companion app

Re: Livecode Future

Right - so your company has already recognized the value of being able to deploy custom apps to their employees and willingly pays a monthly per-user fee to do so. That vendor happens to be to Microsoft rather than LiveCode. Our new platform provides more value than Power Apps and has had a g

Re: Livecode Future

Thanks Keith. I’ll see if we can tweak the FAQ slightly. (Copying the list here as I accidentally replied to you off list.) Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things From: Keith Martin Date: Wednesday 24 Jul

Re: Livecode Future

The bigger difference here is in internal users who buy either Native/Cloud or Universal. In the apps for sale only the developers need those seats, there is no difference to the application payments model regardless of what platforms you deploy. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@liv

Re: Livecode Future

If the app is genuinely a free companion app then there are no fees payable under our model. It sounds like that is the case here so no change. What we won't accept is someone pretending the app is free and restructuring their business model to make it appear that way when its actually a paid ap

Re: [Virus Error] Livecode Future - LC Server and Web licensing

Server will continue yes. The majority of web deployments will be things that aren't classified as commercial in our model. However if you're building a web platform for paying customers to use or some sort of information system for your employees, then one of the two license types - internal u

Re: Livecode Future

 Hi Kevin, I have one commercial app which is sold through Fastspring. Fastspring take care of the digital service VAT. I make small sums from this and the 5% would hurt a little. This fits the new licence “Apps for Sale” The concern is my second app, this is offered commercially as a package

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Kevin You mentioned a difference between having classic, web based and universal. How does that reflect in the pricing as there only seems to be the option for two models, internal and external apps. Does a ‘seat’ cover use for all the platforms? This will also have a great impact on ‘value’

Re: Websockets RFC 6455

so, for you, the trick was: * claude (opus) * supply some lc source code in a similar universe (curious why you did that) * supply the rfc, not just referencing the rfc anything else? On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 7:31 PM Tom Glod via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Hey Mike, > >

Re: @Kevin - some questions about GDRP and what exactly happens with the Lifetime Commercial (all current and future platforms) licenses

Hi Matthias, Thanks for your questions. Tracking users - yes we will track and collect this information. You will be able to see it in a user portal too. While we don’t yet offer it, you will soon have a choice of data centre. We are GDPR compliant. We will also offer a contract for a specific

[Virus Error] Livecode Future - LC Server and Web licensing

Kevin and Co. - Thanks as always for all you've done and continue to do. Livecode Server didn't get mentioned (that I saw) in this announcement. My assumption is LC Server will continue. If that's true, then that brings me to the question of licensing for web deployments. If the application doe

@Kevin - some questions about GDRP and what exactly happens with the Lifetime Commercial (all current and future platforms) licenses

Dear Kevin, I am asking this here, as I am sure there a many who are also having the same or similar questions. As i correctly understand, then the product "Livecode Internal Apps" tracks the number of users. What information is collected and where is it stored? Are those servers located in t

Re: Livecode Future

Yes, this is quite important to me as well. Thanks, Tim Selander On 2024/07/24 19:14, Tweedly via use-livecode wrote: Can you say anything about the future of LiveCode Server ? Thanks, Alex Sent from my iPad On 24 Jul 2024, at 10:03, Kevin Miller via use-livecode wrote: I'm sorry to h

Re: Livecode Future

Well in practical terms if you don't know about it it's even harder for us to know. These sorts of things do happen but only occasionally so I don't spend too much time worrying about it. Obviously a sensible conversation would need to be had if it was discovered, most of which we would expect t

Re: Livecode Future

One feature of the present commercial licensing is that I decide the terms and conditions that apply to any application I build. What happens under the new licensing if I build an application either for sale or for a client and then some time in the future the application is duplicated, distri

Re: Livecode Future

Can you say anything about the future of LiveCode Server ? Thanks, Alex Sent from my iPad > On 24 Jul 2024, at 10:03, Kevin Miller via use-livecode > wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear this. You'll still gain access to anything that remains to > be delivered from crowd funding. > > I do want t

Re: Livecode Future

I'm sorry to hear this. You'll still gain access to anything that remains to be delivered from crowd funding. I do want to dig into the economics of this a little more though. At a quantity of 180 users, PowerApps costs roughly 33% more per seat than we do! LiveCode, even *without* the (up to 1

Re: Livecode Future

Many thanks - a short blog post linking to “the future” might help with those of us not following home page? On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 at 09:59, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > You should have received an email from us, I'll send the link offline. > > Kind regard

Re: Livecode Future

You should have received an email from us, I'll send the link offline. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 09:46, "use-livecode on behalf of David Bovill via use-livecode" mailto:use-livecode-bou

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Kevin, is there a public post regarding the new model - I’d like to view it for a forthcoming project. Also you might want to fix the 404 you get while trying to read the most recent post on the site? On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 at 09:01, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> w

Re: Livecode Future

Totally agree and find myself in the same position with 180+/- internal workers, we only use LC for rapid prototyping although we do have some utilities that were built with LC. I guess I’m going to be forced down the PowerApps route. Slightly annoyed that i’ve subscribed and been part of all

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Heriberto, Thanks for taking the time to post. If those 100 users are non-commercial users, i.e. not employees or customers, then there isn't a charge. If you're building the app to sell, its a different model. With that said, if those users are employed by your company then it bears lookin

Re: Livecode Future

Hi Tom, Thanks for the feedback. We really appreciate it. I'm glad you think the communication was done well, these things are never easy to communicate and we worked really hard at that. We're very optimistic that these changes will give us the capacity to move a lot faster which is going to b