You should have received an email from us, I'll send the link offline. Kind regards,
Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Build Amazing Things On 24/07/2024, 09:46, "use-livecode on behalf of David Bovill via use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com> on behalf of use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: Hi Kevin, is there a public post regarding the new model - I’d like to view it for a forthcoming project. Also you might want to fix the 404 you get while trying to read the most recent post on the site? On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 at 09:01, Kevin Miller via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote: > Hi Heriberto, > > Thanks for taking the time to post. > > If those 100 users are non-commercial users, i.e. not employees or > customers, then there isn't a charge. If you're building the app to sell, > its a different model. With that said, if those users are employed by your > company then it bears looking at the economics of this a little more > closely. > > Firstly, there is the time it takes you to build the app. I'm assuming you > don't work for free, so this is a real cost. If we say that Flutter takes > only a few times as long to build the app, this cost quickly mounts up. Any > app that takes more than a week or two to build in Create is going to pay > for itself in the saving of your time when compared to the new licensing > costs. Then there is the ongoing cost to consider. Few apps are created > perfect, most require regular changes as they encounter the real world. So > you have the ongoing increase in development costs for every update PLUS > the lost productivity costs of each of those users having to wait longer > for each update, or ending up with an app that simply doesn't do what they > need. This happens all the time. What's the wage bill for 100 employees? I > have no idea what those users do so this could be way out, but if they are > earning say $50K a year then that's $5M. You don't have to save very much > time with a better app delivered sooner to save the licensing cost here > many times over. > > There is a reason we've invested tens of millions of dollars in our > platform: it's to make you more productive and let you get better apps out > faster. Saving development time is a direct development staff cost, getting > your app and revisions out faster saves costs across your entire user base. > > We'll be doing a more detailed comparison with Flutter in the coming days > which will help to better illustrate this comparison. > > With all of that said we'd be happy to get on a call to talk about this > some more if it's helpful for either you or your boss. We can do that now, > or at any point before 2027. > > Kind regards, > > Kevin > > Kevin Miller ~ ke...@livecode.com <mailto:ke...@livecode.com> ~ > http://www.livecode.com/ <http://www.livecode.com/> > LiveCode: Build Amazing Things > > > > > On 24/07/2024, 01:00, "use-livecode on behalf of Heriberto Torrado via > use-livecode" <use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com > <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com> <mailto: > use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com > <mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com>> on behalf of > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>> > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > It appears that under this licensing model, developers creating > applications for internal company use—such as for a workforce of 100 > employees—would still need to pay $15,520 even with the 30% discount > applied. I hope I've misunderstood, but upon receiving the email about > Livecode Create, I considered purchasing a license to permanently move > away from the outdated "Community" version (we have a lot of silicon > Macs). However, if I have to explain to my boss that each internal user > of the Livecode-built app would cost $155.2, she would likely suggest > investing that money in a Flutter course, Lazarus IDE or to develop a > web site. > > > Hery > > > On 7/23/24 18:32, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I'll start. > > After reviewing Livecode's new direction and offer. > > I feel very positive about this change. > > Maybe in the future I will feel differently, but currently, as a solo > dev, > > even 2 or 3 devs, as I expand, it all is kind of in the range of > reasonable. > > The <= 5% tax hurts a bit, but its manageable. > > If this is a model that creates better sustainability and faster dev > > cycles for Livecode, and if thats really true ... > > Then I want to be in full support of this model. > > > > I was somewhat surprised (sorry honest) at how well the new direction was > > explained. Great job on that. > > I like the no-pressure offer. 2027 is a lot of heads up for people to > > align their business model or to get off the platform. > > I like the flexibility of the offer for different kinds of devs > > > > Of course my review is based on my own situation and my own plans for the > > future of my company MakeShyft. > > I also work @ Canela, which is a hat I am not wearing at this moment. > > Everyone's situation is different, and I can see some users not loving > this > > at all. > > > > All the best, may we all prosper and have our dreams come true. > > > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > > use-livecode mailing list > > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > > <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> < > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> < > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-livecode mailing list > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode > <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> > _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode <http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode> _______________________________________________ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecode
