Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread hh
TMHO it is much better to animate gifs by an own handler (send in 'regular' time intervals, for example every next full second). Only by that you have full control on the animation speed on different hardware. I have a lot of gifs whose speed is set to "fastest", not this perfect on fast machines,

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
The limitation goes back to the time when routers cost upwards of $200 and hardly anyone had one. Things are getting better now for some manufacturers but still not all. I'm more concerned these days about malware that attacks routers and the inability to find out if your current one is vulner

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami
Good input… off screen or on top card of open window behind the top stack: GIF is still running… Given that we might be instantiating the appearance of these GIFs (icons of buttons) "here and there and everywhere" via some low level back script or lib that was brought into the msg path with sta

Re: 8.1.2 Offset bug fixed!

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
What is happening is, the Standalone Application Builder is replacing the reference to the mainstack in the Stack Files section with something else, so the next time I save as standalone, it doesn't include the mainstack. It includes something totally different. The last app I can compile with

Re: 8.1.2 Offset bug fixed!

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Spoke too soon! Unfortunately the compiler is still borked for me, only this time it's stuck at Loading Settings in the StandAlone Builder Progress window. Bob S > On Jan 3, 2017, at 15:44 , Bob Sneidar wrote: > > YAY! Offset bug fixed! Bless you LC devs. > > Bob S > ___

8.1.2 Offset bug fixed!

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
YAY! Offset bug fixed! Bless you LC devs. Bob S ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-livecod

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
You may want to spend more than $35 on a router. ;-) Bob S On Jan 3, 2017, at 14:54 , J. Landman Gay mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>> wrote: On 1/3/17 3:42 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: My favorite example is wifi routers. They ship with a default password and login published in the manual, and

Re: save stack as filename failing most of the time

2017-01-03 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Not sure this helps you but I use Save this stack all the time and I can > see the stack in the finder append a tilde (~), create a new stack file > then the file with the tilde goes away. My changes are always there > afterwards. > That's wha

Re: save stack as filename failing most of the time

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Not sure this helps you but I use Save this stack all the time and I can see the stack in the finder append a tilde (~), create a new stack file then the file with the tilde goes away. My changes are always there afterwards. Bob S On Jan 3, 2017, at 14:01 , Rick Harrison mailto:harri...@all-a

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
I interact with copier interfaces quite a lot and the process of backing up the data involves going through various pages and typing what I see there into a text file. I have always thought it would be great to write an app that can do it for me, but I have never been able to scrape anything mor

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread Mike Kerner
the short answer is "yes", but it can be more complicated as it may require some javascript execution to pull the data from the server. It depends on the site you are scraping. You can also (possibly) use a service that can yank that for you. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/3/17 3:42 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: My favorite example is wifi routers. They ship with a default password and login published in the manual, and more than 75% are never changed. And almost all the routers I've had over the years won't even *let* you change the login name. It's always "a

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/3/17 4:32 PM, hh wrote: And that's why we need a lot of typical and good examples for those who wish to use it (JLG:) "without understanding a single line of the underlying code". But if it is as with until now shared widgets, then there will be again less than 64 ... True, and I did take

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: > And redundant backups are just one more vector to your data. Indeed it is. The old adage "physical access = root" still applies. I have a friend I met through my local Linux user group who does security audits. One of the most common sets of problems he finds isn't with

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread hh
The big problem since several months: A lot of people are speaking about what may be done, may be soon. Not about what can be done, showing working examples. All 'examples' listed in this thread need LCB and most of them especially a FFI that may be available, may be soon, may be for java only. Th

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Bob, That is both a great and terrible story! One really can’t make this type of story up either because it’s too bizarre. Sorry to hear that it was a true one for you! Thanks for sharing... Rick > On Jan 3, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > > And redundant backups are just one more v

Re: save stack as filename failing most of the time

2017-01-03 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > I just tried the save statement from within a stack > and I too have found that the stack is not getting saved! > Has anyone reported this as bug? Is there a work around? > This one was so bizarre that I need to make sure I wasn't crazy. N

Re: save stack as filename failing most of the time

2017-01-03 Thread Rick Harrison
I just tried the save statement from within a stack and I too have found that the stack is not getting saved! Has anyone reported this as bug? Is there a work around? Thanks, Rick > On Dec 30, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > > Just saw it happen. > > Apparently, it is simply ignoring

Re: TS Net for Indy vs Business

2017-01-03 Thread William Prothero
Charles: It also seems to me like this is a vital feature that could cripple some applications. I agree with the other posters that the Indy version will probably be purchased by the great majority of those who purchase licenses. It “should” be a big market. Best, Bill > Skip Kimpel wrote: >

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/3/17 1:54 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: I wonder how many programmers are going to spend their money on LiveCode if they are aware that at a certain point they are going to have to leverage one or more other programming languages to achieve certain things. No one needs to learn any other l

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Gaskin
Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Remember that if just one bit/blob on your encrypted hard > drive becomes unreadable, then you could lose > everything on that drive. That makes redundant > backups over time even more important! That was why I've been putting it off for so long. But so f

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Makes sense. There really is no "off screen" to the modern computer. On Jan 3, 2017, at 13:03 , J. Landman Gay mailto:jac...@hyperactivesw.com>> wrote: Clever. So I got curious, what would happen if the stack is moved offscreen? Result: it still updates. What happens if you hide the image? Resul

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
And redundant backups are just one more vector to your data. Really, security has to be balanced with usability. Absolute security is to never write, type, speak or otherwise store any information you want to protect, or which might give clues to any information you want to protect. This is of

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread hh
Yet another option. One may use for the 'it-pauses-until-coming-back'-test a gif that counts in seconds from 0 up to 100: giphy.com/gifs/TCJTqRAxRbhGU (repeatCount=-1) Note. If you go to a different window (of LC or not), leaving the running gif on the top card of its window, then the gif keep

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Speaking of which, is it possible to scrape values from web controls like menus and check boxes? Bob S On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:12 , Mike Kerner mailto:mikeker...@roadrunner.com>> wrote: I mean if you do web scraping and use LC to analyze the results, a million is a small number. __

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/3/17 2:07 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Richmond Mathewson wrote: If a GIF is running on another card I really wonder how you determine that. Put an animated GIF on a card, and this in the stack script: on idle put the currentFrame of img 1 of cd 1 end idle Then go to another card. Her

Re: Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Rick Harrison
Hi Richard, Remember that if just one bit/blob on your encrypted hard drive becomes unreadable, then you could lose everything on that drive. That makes redundant backups over time even more important! Have a great secure NewYear! Rick > > This year I want to take this further. I just turned

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond Mathewson wrote: > If a GIF is running on another card I really wonder how you determine > that. Put an animated GIF on a card, and this in the stack script: on idle put the currentFrame of img 1 of cd 1 end idle Then go to another card. Here, a quick test confirms Jacque's hunch;

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Gaskin
Thanks. I've been accused of over-obsessing about performance so often that it didn't occur to me my comment could be seen as erring the other way. :) I've done scraping, but fortunately here the simplest syntax is also the more efficient. And even in tasks requiring fewer than a million ite

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread Mike Kerner
I mean if you do web scraping and use LC to analyze the results, a million is a small number. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:34 PM, hh wrote: > I think he means > > 10% of 1/100 of 1,000,000 iterations of a nano-million-dollar are 1 dollar. > > > Richard Gaskin wrote: > > ? > >> Mike Kerner wrote: > >

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:51 AM JB wrote: > > > L>llLearning C will help even if for some reason > With apologies that Twain . . . *learning* C is easy--I've done it dozens of times. *remembering* it a few weeks after the project is another story .. . ___

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Richmond, don't make me pull out my "LC is like a constructor set" analogy again!!! Bob S On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:54 , Richmond Mathewson mailto:richmondmathew...@gmail.com>> wrote: This whole thing looks like an awful sort of confession of "F". ___

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
If you knew even the basics of C you could write widgets that could do things you presently cannot do in LC. At least that is what I think they are saying. An example? A really robust SMTP module, that knows how to work with modern encryption. This is not trivial, but thankfully, there are libra

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
On 1/3/17 9:47 pm, Peter Bogdanoff wrote: I suppose one way to test, is to go to the card where the GIF is running—does it start at the beginning every time you go there? I'm not sure if that would work: as if you left a card while a GIF was in mid-cycle it might be paused at that frame unt

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
If a GIF is running on another card I really wonder how you determine that. Richmond. On 1/3/17 9:33 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 1/2/17 9:23 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: When are on Card 1… is that GIF still running and taking up CPU cycles even though it is effectively "hidden" by v

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
This whole thing looks like an awful sort of confession of "F". If LiveCode is what it should be (a comprehensive programming package) it should not have to rely on users' knowledge of other programming languages to achieve some of the things it should be perfectly capable of doing inwith itse

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread Peter Bogdanoff
I suppose one way to test, is to go to the card where the GIF is running—does it start at the beginning every time you go there? pb On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:33 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 1/2/17 9:23 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: >> When are on Card 1… is that GIF still running and tak

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread hh
I think he means 10% of 1/100 of 1,000,000 iterations of a nano-million-dollar are 1 dollar. > Richard Gaskin wrote: > ? >> Mike Kerner wrote: >> > says the guy who doesn't scrape. >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: >> > >> >> hh wrote: >> >> >> >> > I wasn't aware of

Re: Animated Gifs on Other Cards

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/2/17 9:23 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami wrote: When are on Card 1… is that GIF still running and taking up CPU cycles even though it is effectively "hidden" by virtue of being on Card 3? I don't believe so, LC only draws what is on the current card. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay |

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread hh
>> JB wrote: >> The Livecode team imported Apple’s Foundation >> Framework so you can use its power inside of a >> stack instead of writing extensions. > JB wrote also: > If you want it all prepackaged ask the > Livecode team to use the samples in > widgets. They will do what they see > is financ

Security in 2017 (was "OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed")

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: > DON'T CLICK THE LINK! Amen, brother. A wise default. Click nothing in an email unless you're certain it is what it claims to be. This article was eye-opening for me: The human attack surface, counting it all up Humans have become the primary attack surface for cyber

Re: OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Fair enough, except that list servers are supposed to be configured in such a way so as to get around this. A list server *should* send a separate email to each user in a list, NOT one email to ALL the users in the list. The latter will definitely get "DMARC'd" as spam, especially if the address

Re: OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed

2017-01-03 Thread Ben Rubinstein
In reply to this >> On 12/31/16 9:53 pm, J. Landman Gay wrote: So far, at least in this round, the people who have been dropped are using gmail addresses. I've read about issues with gmail before. If there is a way to whitelist the LiveCode list, that could help. Since the drops are caused by th

Re: OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed

2017-01-03 Thread J. Landman Gay
Found this explanation: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2015-December/080211.html It includes this: Let us say you have 5 users on your list, user1 at aol.com, user2 at aol.com, user3 at aol.com user4 at aol.com and user5 at aol.com. user1 at aol.com posts a piece of mail to yo

Re: OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed

2017-01-03 Thread proth...@earthlearningsolutions.org
Folks, My Apple mail program lets me see the actual link before I click it, by hovering the mouse over the link and examining the destination. I have gotten phishing that looks exactly like an email my bank would send. This season I've gotten many emails trying to alert me to a package that coul

Re: Contains vs is in

2017-01-03 Thread Richard Gaskin
? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Mike Kerner wrote: says the guy who doesn't scrape. On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: hh wrote: > I wasn't aware of that, good to know, "is in"/"contains" is 10% > faster than "offset() > 0". But as with many benchmarks, it's

Re: OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Concerning getting malware and subsequently getting all your cashed and saved email addresses sent to demonic entities known as "spam houses", I suppose the moral to this story is... DON'T CLICK THE LINK! Unless it's from friends and family, in which case... DON'T CLICK THE LINK! Unless it's

Re: OK, the list *really* needs to be fixed

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
It is possible that someone's list address got harvested and is being actively used for populating spam headers, in which case Google spam filters would have no way of discerning that the address or entire server was viable. Bob S > On Dec 31, 2016, at 11:55 , Richmond Mathewson > wrote: >

Re: how to create a list in easyJSON

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
Hmmm... all of this may explain why a table in a PDF fillable form breaks the controls out as columns, not records. So when populating an FDF file, my data needs to have each column in it's own variable, or else I have to do nested repeats to place it all correctly. Bob S __

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
On Jan 3, 2017, at 07:10 , JB mailto:sund...@pacifier.com>> wrote: I did what I could to provide some good examples to help people learn. If you are not making any mistakes then you are not learning anything. If you are not making any mistakes, it's likely that you don't NEED to learn anythin

Re: compiling a standalone wit multiple stacks

2017-01-03 Thread Bob Sneidar
If you have other stacks, then I think if I understand what you mean by, "pull in other stacks" that there is no way to avoid this. LC will only "compile" the main stack. The other substacks, libraries etc. will be separate stacks. If you need to protect these from manipulation or want to obscur

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread JB
I did what I could to provide some good examples to help people learn. If you are not making any mistakes then you are not learning anything. If you want it all prepackaged ask the Livecode team to use the samples in widgets. They will do what they see is financially beneficial so your money spe

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread hh
> JB wrote: > Over a year ago they said Foundation was > imported and you can even use pointers. I > don’t have anymore info about it. JB, thanks. A simple example of an already available foundation function and a link to a header listing others is here: http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?p

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread JB
Hi, Over a year ago they said Foundation was imported and you can even use pointers. I don’t have anymore info about it. Learning C will help even if for some reason they are having problems with Foundation. I am glad the links work. One day links are there and another they are gone so if you v

Re: Foundation Framework

2017-01-03 Thread hh
> JB wrote: > The Livecode team imported Apple’s Foundation > Framework so you can use its power inside of a > stack instead of writing extensions. It will be a > little slower than an extension but in many cases > the loss of speed will not be noticeable. JB, are you speaking about the future,