Re: With Apple script no longer supported, how do I....

2013-08-07 Thread Marek Niesiobedzki
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Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 3:11 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Yeah, I effectively like that too. One of the nice things about it is it's quite easy to implement. For those that haven't had a look at the source the function to get an object property has a boolean 'effective' parameter. So if true you woul

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/8/13 12:13 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: On 08/08/2013, at 2:55 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: I'm trying to think when a script object would not be "me" if it wasn't a behavior. right, that's what I was saying was nice about scriptObject.. but I'm sold on 'the effective behavior of me' now Ye

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 2:55 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I'm trying to think when a script object would not be "me" if it wasn't a > behavior. right, that's what I was saying was nice about scriptObject.. but I'm sold on 'the effective behavior of me' now -- M E R Goulding Software development ser

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 1:33 PM, Jim Lambert wrote: > How about the effective me? I think it might be difficult to implement because me is not a property but it did make me think of somethign that would be easy to implement and quite reasonable syntax I think: the effective behavior of me Where th

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 11:33 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Jim- Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 8:33:26 PM, you wrote: How about the effective me? After my initial shock, I'm thinking that this is kind of not too bad. It's a weird use of "effective", but you could see if you're in the context of a behavior object by

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Jan Schenkel
Here are my suggestions: - self - myself - this object The nerd inside wanted to suggest 'ego' and 'id' but that would have been over the top ;-) Jan Schenkel.   = Quartam Reports & PDF Library for LiveCode www.quartam.com = "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at t

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 11:46 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: On 08/08/2013, at 2:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: And now that I've had 8 more minutes to think about it, how about "behaviorObject". That's even more descriptive. True but one of the nice things about scriptObject is that it works outside the behavio

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 2:12 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > And now that I've had 8 more minutes to think about it, how about > "behaviorObject". That's even more descriptive. True but one of the nice things about scriptObject is that it works outside the behavior context. I did raise the issue on the

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Jim- Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 8:33:26 PM, you wrote: > How about the effective me? After my initial shock, I'm thinking that this is kind of not too bad. It's a weird use of "effective", but you could see if you're in the context of a behavior object by checking if me is not the effective me

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 11:03 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 8/7/13 9:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: I think 'the object containing this script' spells it out most clearly... using the owner my introduce confusion with the object hierarchy owner. But I don't think it's possible to do and nobody wants to write th

Re: An SQL query to return an UPDATE for the results?

2013-08-07 Thread Peter Haworth
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > Don't know how many rows are involved but it would be much faster to > select > > all the rows from the memory db table with one SELECT, then build the > > UPDATE statements using an L

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 10:06 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: If we go this way, could I pretty please get my name in the source code this one time? If not, can we please, please, please either count empty last items or change the database functions so empty last items aren't such a PITA? I hope they put your name

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 9:39 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: I think 'the object containing this script' spells it out most clearly... using the owner my introduce confusion with the object hierarchy owner. But I don't think it's possible to do and nobody wants to write the objectContainingThisScript... Mark Waddin

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Jim Lambert
How about the effective me? The dictionary defines 'effective' as "Used with inherited properties to specify the object's own setting or the setting inherited from the object's owner, whichever is actually displayed." Setting an object's behavior lets the object inherit the script from another

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
If this new feature is not going to be used very often, then "the object containing this script" is probably better than any of my ideas so far, but I think we can still do better for some reason. I want the phrase to be clear to the beginner, because if it's clear to the beginner, I think it will

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 11:52 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I vote for "the owner of this script" or "the scriptObject". Or alternately, > "the owner of this behavior". I think 'the object containing this script' spells it out most clearly... using the owner my introduce confusion with the object hier

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 11:28 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > I'm not sure why "me" in "B" SHOULD output "A". If I was reading that code > (with "me" instead of "this me"), I would say it would/should always say > "B", not "A", and that we have the whole meaning of "me" messed up. I > understand why things

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 8:28 PM, Mike Kerner wrote: HOWEVER, if I'm stuck with this behavior as described (UGH), then "the owner of this script" "the object this script belongs to" "the object containing this script" "the scriptContainer" "the scriptObject" I vote for "the owner of this script" or "the scr

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
this is obviously a tough one because we have an extra level of abstraction to deal with, which also means, IMHO, that we are going to have more typing to do if we want the words to mean anything. Trying to use at least some of the vocabulary from the release notes, where "B" contains the script a

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
Sorry, Mark W, I didn't understand what you were asking. I don't think I got a notice. I think it popped up in LC when I was launching it. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 08/08/2013, at 8:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > > Then why did you accept "this me"? > > I

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 8:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Then why did you accept "this me"? It's not up to me to accept it or not so I'm not sure where you got that from. > > In the discussion I am having with you now, you said "this behavior" doesn't > make sense. Yes, it doesn't make sense outs

Re: Extra SQL Yoga gone

2013-08-07 Thread Shawn Blc
No problem. I forgot that as a lifetime license contributor to the kickstarter campaign that I also got licenses to SQL Yoga, MobGui and AE. Got my license keys today. LOL. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:39 PM, James Hale wrote: > Hi all, > > The seat has gone. Thank you. > > James > >

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Then why did you accept "this me"? In the discussion I am having with you now, you said "this behavior" doesn't make sense. Now I'm really putting an end to this discussion. It doesn't seem to lead anywhere, but I do hope others will contribute with some really good ideas. -- Best regards,

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 8:24 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Oh I see. You suggest people should come up with something better but you > don't care that the syntax is super ugly now. Thanks for clearing that up. > I'll just leave you to it then. It's not my feature so why are you leaving it to me? I

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 3:54 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: Ray, Creating an ipa file is actually quite easy. It's just a zip archive (more or less) of your app bundle. There is a slight trick. Follow these steps: In the Finder, create a folder named Payload (the uppercase P is important). Copy your app bundle

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Oh I see. You suggest people should come up with something better but you don't care that the syntax is super ugly now. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll just leave you to it then. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 7:54 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > First of all, if it is properly documented, people will understand that "this > control" is a bit of an exception. Sure, proper documentation can help. I personally don't like that this control could mean something other than me because it

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 8/7/13 4:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Mike- Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 2:02:50 PM, you wrote: Mark W.: Go to the Help menu in 6.1.1 (rc2), scroll down to Release Notes. Thanks. I know how to get Release Notes. Are you saying you got a release notice that rc2 was available? I didn't get a

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Monte, First of all, if it is properly documented, people will understand that "this control" is a bit of an exception. Second, if you ask for ideas, you should not immediately reject everything I write, because you're scaring potential contributors to the discussion. -- Best regards, Mar

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Devin Asay
On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:14 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Mike- > > Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 2:02:50 PM, you wrote: > >> Mark W.: Go to the Help menu in 6.1.1 (rc2), scroll down to Release Notes. > > Thanks. I know how to get Release Notes. > Are you saying you got a release notice that rc2 was avai

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 7:41 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Wow, I'm striking out today. Sorry. I forget that I already have a mergExt > subscription and it's included in that. :-) It's the bargain of the century ;-) -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Chris Sheffield
Wow, I'm striking out today. Sorry. I forget that I already have a mergExt subscription and it's included in that. :-) On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 08/08/2013, at 7:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> Yes, if you're using TestFlight. Head to mergext.com, hit the Do

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 7:08 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Why do you want "this me" to have sense outside a behavior script, if the > only place where it will be used is in a behavior script? I'm not really sure but that's the main reason I can think of for 'this behavior' being rejected ;-) > >

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Ray Horsley
Just bought it. Thanks for the link! On Aug 7, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 08/08/2013, at 7:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> Yes, if you're using TestFlight. Head to mergext.com, hit the Download link >> (you may have to create a free account first; I can't remember) and

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 7:20 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Yes, if you're using TestFlight. Head to mergext.com, hit the Download link > (you may have to create a free account first; I can't remember) and then > locate the link for mergTestApp. It's a free plugin. Very useful, especially > for testi

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Chris Sheffield
Yes, if you're using TestFlight. Head to mergext.com, hit the Download link (you may have to create a free account first; I can't remember) and then locate the link for mergTestApp. It's a free plugin. Very useful, especially for testing app builds on a local device. One click will build your ap

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Mike- Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 2:02:50 PM, you wrote: > Mark W.: Go to the Help menu in 6.1.1 (rc2), scroll down to Release Notes. Thanks. I know how to get Release Notes. Are you saying you got a release notice that rc2 was available? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net _

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Ray Horsley
Chris, When I read through these steps I though "you're kidding me!" but they seem to have worked. The jury's actually still out till I hear back from my tester or try it myself. Anyway, many thanks! Does Monte have an app or something which facilitates this? I'm unable to find it searching

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Monte, Why do you want "this me" to have sense outside a behavior script, if the only place where it will be used is in a behavior script? Apparently, "this group", "this control" etc. is not a synonym of "me" because currently "this group", "this control" etc. throws an execution error whil

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
Paul: Don't forget "add 1 to x". Yes, an assignment operator would be great, but that is a battle that goes back 25 years, along with several other things that really ought to change. When something new comes along but is not yet engrained in the culture, it's a lot easier to fix it. Mark W.:

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Chris Sheffield
Ah, yes. How could I forget? Sorry Monte. :-) On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 08/08/2013, at 6:54 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > >> There are probably utilities around that can help you do this > > Cough... mergTestFlight... cough > > -- > Monte Goulding > > M E

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 6:54 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > There are probably utilities around that can help you do this Cough... mergTestFlight... cough -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that!

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 6:44 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Behaviors used to be called parentScripts. An option could be "this parent". Yes it could but it suffers the same problem of this behavior where it doesn't make sense outside a behavior script. > > Also, currently syntax of the form "this

Re: Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Chris Sheffield
Ray, Creating an ipa file is actually quite easy. It's just a zip archive (more or less) of your app bundle. There is a slight trick. Follow these steps: In the Finder, create a folder named Payload (the uppercase P is important). Copy your app bundle into that folder. Compress the Payload folde

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Mike- Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 11:34:58 AM, you wrote: > 6.1.1-rc2 ? Was there a release notice about this? I didn't get one if so. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please vi

RE: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Paul D. DeRocco
> From: Mike Kerner > > Really? That was the best we could come up with? That. Is. > Horrible. And. Must. Die. > > In what context in the English language would that even begin > to make sense? Typical English. Ever wonder about phrases like "There, there" or "My, oh my", or "hail fellow

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, Behaviors used to be called parentScripts. An option could be "this parent". Also, currently syntax of the form "this control", "this button", "this group" etc throws an execution error. It would be very nice if this syntax would be used instead of "this me" and it would make sense. -- B

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
I would love to, and I would hope that this...thing...would be sent back where it came from. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 08/08/2013, at 4:13 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > > > Really? That was the best we could come up with? That. Is. Horrible. > > And. Must. Di

Distributing an iOS App for Testing

2013-08-07 Thread Ray Horsley
Are there simple steps to do this anywhere? I believe I've added my tester's UDID. I just need to get him the app (standalone). TestFlight asks me to create an "IPA". I usually drink those :-) Not sure what that means in the world of software but I'm unable create one by "archiving" my app

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Monte Goulding
On 08/08/2013, at 4:13 AM, Mike Kerner wrote: > Really? That was the best we could come up with? That. Is. Horrible. > And. Must. Die. > > In what context in the English language would that even begin to make sense? I've suggested it makes sense if you have multiple-personality disorder

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
Help->Release notes Page 7, at the top. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Mike, > > I haven't seen that yet. Where can I download the Release Notes or can you > post the exactl syntax? > > I must admit that it would seem weird if "this

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Mike, I haven't seen that yet. Where can I download the Release Notes or can you post the exactl syntax? I must admit that it would seem weird if "this me" were valid syntax. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.c

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
And for the record, we're still talking about "this me", not the fact that if the last item in a container or sub-container is empty, it is treated as if it isn't there, which is an unbelievable PITA when dealing with the results from database queries. On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Mike Kerner

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
I wasn't looking at a thread. I was looking at Page 7, release notes for 6.1.1-rc2 On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Mark Schonewille < m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com> wrote: > Mike, > > Reading the thread on the forum, to which you really should have linked > yourself, I get the impression tha

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Schonewille
Mike, Reading the thread on the forum, to which you really should have linked yourself, I get the impression that it is a joke. I really can't figure out whether you're serious or not. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://econ

Re: "this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Wieder
Some context to put that into perspective: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=14843&start=90#p82087 -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsu

Re: An SQL query to return an UPDATE for the results?

2013-08-07 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Don't know how many rows are involved but it would be much faster to select > all the rows from the memory db table with one SELECT, then build the > UPDATE statements using an LC script. An wrap the whole thing in BEGIN/END. There are thre

"this me"?

2013-08-07 Thread Mike Kerner
Really? That was the best we could come up with? That. Is. Horrible. And. Must. Die. In what context in the English language would that even begin to make sense? There are some bad ideas in LC, but that one is downright pathetic - right along with blank last items being treated like they do

Re: PNG Image Optimization

2013-08-07 Thread Michael Hatch
I convert "most" of the images in my stacks that need the full range of transparency via tinypng.org. I have a utility on my PC that does the same thing but tinypng has been far more convenient. The downsides are the resulting files aren't compatible with early web browsers, my version of Photosho

Re: An SQL query to return an UPDATE for the results?

2013-08-07 Thread Peter Haworth
Don't know how many rows are involved but it would be much faster to select all the rows from the memory db table with one SELECT, then build the UPDATE statements using an LC script. An wrap the whole thing in BEGIN/END. As for the NULL issue, you could do two selects, one for rows where the col

Re: With Apple script no longer supported, how do I....

2013-08-07 Thread Jim Hurley
> > Message: 22 > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 00:20:59 -0500 > From: Geoff Canyon > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: With Apple script no longer supported, how do I > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Would it work to export from within FileMaker, and t

An SQL query to return an UPDATE for the results?

2013-08-07 Thread Dr. Hawkins
With an SQLite database in memory, and a "real" database either on machine or remote, I need to sync the two. I'm trying to find a clever & fast way to create a SELECT query that produces the corresponding UPDATE query. I can do something like "SELECT " & 'UPDATE sometable SET col1=''" & col1 & "

RE: linking for armv7 failed...

2013-08-07 Thread John Dixon
Sorted...:-) Thanks Mark > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 10:32:14 +0100 > From: m_p_wil...@yahoo.co.uk > Subject: Re: linking for armv7 failed... > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > > Are you using any externals that might not have been built for armv7? > > > > From:

Re: MobGui and Resolution Indipendence

2013-08-07 Thread paolo mazza
Mark, thank you very much for your message and for your deep analysis. It was really helpfull. I agree with you that at the moment the best solution to deploy a mobile app seems to be to integrate LiveCode with the mApp framework provided by Monte. Then, Monte's video about mApp at the RunrevLIv

Re: linking for armv7 failed...

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Wilcox
Are you using any externals that might not have been built for armv7? From: John Dixon To: "use-livecode@lists.runrev.com" Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2013, 9:48 Subject: linking for armv7 failed... I am in the middle of trying to upload an ipad app to itunes

Re: MobGui and Resolution Indipendence

2013-08-07 Thread Mark Wilcox
>> Then I wonder how to deal with the MIT licence if I have to deploy a >>commercial app. The MIT license tells you - you have to provide a copy of the copyright notice and permission statement (essentially a copy of the license file) with all copies of the software, although I'm sure Monte isn

linking for armv7 failed...

2013-08-07 Thread John Dixon
I am in the middle of trying to upload an ipad app to itunes... To cover what I have showing in the livecode prefrences under 'mobile support' I have xcode 4.4.1, 4.52, 4.6, 4.6.2, 4.6.3 Available SDK's 5.1, 6.0, 6.1 Available simulators 5.1, 6.0, 6.1 I have my app identifier, development provis

Re: MobGui and Resolution Indipendence

2013-08-07 Thread paolo mazza
Thank you all for your messages. I had a look at the mApp framework. I do not understand exactly how it works and AFAIK there is not any documentation about this software yet (I can listen to Monte's presentation at the last RunRev meeting though).Then I wonder how to deal with the MIT licence

Re: unable to start simulation on iOS

2013-08-07 Thread Malte Brill
Thanks Monte and Neil, changing the identifizier fixed this. Can't see the tree from the forrest sometimes. :-) Best, Malte ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your s

Re: unable to start simulation on iOS

2013-08-07 Thread Neil Roger
Dear Malte, You could also try resetting the iOS simulator to its default state via the "reset content an Settings" option from the iOS Simulators application bar. iOS simulator>Reset Content and Settings Please note that this will clear currently installed iOS applications from the sim