Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread Dianne Reuby
It sounds silly now - but in the early 70's that was the law. Aren't we civilised now? Dianne On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 18:27 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dianne Reuby wrote: > > I had to hide in the decollating room at 10 as women weren't allowed > to > > be alone with men after that hour, and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread alan c
Kirrus wrote: > Only tricky bit would b setting ubuntu up to use dial-up modem, but once > thats working, should be a piece of cake :) This is what kept me using suse which was quite good for dialup (external serial modem) and very easy to configure. I have tried (k)ubuntu 7.04 and it was ver

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread alan c
Dianne Reuby wrote: > I think many people have hit the nail on the head - if it's working, > most people don't want to change. My dad only switched to Firefox when > IE suddenly stopped working (have you fixed it yet, MS support - or have > you taken my advice and switched to Firefox as I suggested

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Dianne Reuby wrote: > I had to hide in the decollating room at 10 as women weren't allowed to > be alone with men after that hour, and the security guard made his > rounds to check! > Is this for real?? What did they think you were going to do to the men after 10 ?? :-) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread Kirrus
Hello Jai, - "Stephen Garton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HI Jai, > > On 23/12/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My grandmother uses Ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon" and has done so since > sometime in > > August. The reason is simple, really. I provide her with all the > technical > > s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread Stephen Garton
HI Jai, On 23/12/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My grandmother uses Ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon" and has done so since sometime in > August. The reason is simple, really. I provide her with all the technical > support she needs and I decided that I shouldn't have to provide her with > su

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-23 Thread Jai Harrison
My grandmother uses Ubuntu "Gutsy Gibbon" and has done so since sometime in August. The reason is simple, really. I provide her with all the technical support she needs and I decided that I shouldn't have to provide her with support for an OS that I no longer used. The transition was very smooth a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread Paul Tansom
** John Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-21 16:31]: > Kirrus wrote: > > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Michael Holloway wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: > Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, > >> technologically > decrepit listee

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread Paul Tansom
** John Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-21 16:31]: > Kirrus wrote: > > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Michael Holloway wrote: > >>> On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: > Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, > >> technologically > decrepit listee

[ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread Dianne Reuby
I think many people have hit the nail on the head - if it's working, most people don't want to change. My dad only switched to Firefox when IE suddenly stopped working (have you fixed it yet, MS support - or have you taken my advice and switched to Firefox as I suggested?). I switched last year be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread Mac
Mac wrote: > Val Henderson's excellent HowTo Oops! 'Val Henson', of course! Mac -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread norman
< snip ? > > On the whole, i think its an interesting pole!! Thanks! > > P.S. Sorry if i offended anyone, its very early and the coffee hasn't > counteracted on the effects of the Mulled Wine from last night!! It must be remembered that this is a pole of readers of this list so perhaps the bias

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread Mac
Michael Holloway wrote: > Well i can say that i am a bit surprised (if not a little innocently > prejudice) at the results so far with regards to the age group! As a 24M > i didn't expect to see as many in the (insert Politically Correct term, > perhaps) higher categories. Michael >>> "Higher" is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-22 Thread Michael Holloway
Well i can say that i am a bit surprised (if not a little innocently prejudice) at the results so far with regards to the age group! As a 24M i didn't expect to see as many in the (insert Politically Correct term, perhaps) higher categories. I am not surprised, though a bit disappointed (got myself

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread alan c
Eddie Armstrong wrote: > Eddie Armstrong wrote: >> Maybe the Government should be subsidising al the oldies who are >> changing the software of Britain's retirees > You know you're getting old when you start replying to yourself! > > It would be a good idea to have a charity whose remit was to h

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread alan c
Eddie Armstrong wrote: > alan c wrote: >> lots >> > > Alan really interesting post! (thanks) > I'm not yet retired but think it would be a great thing to do what > you are doing when I do retire. If you get half a chance yes I would strongly encourage you - do it! I do other stuff too - talks

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread James Grabham
A lot of LUGs do that, us lot in the NE are planning to start when we get the LUG sorted. On Dec 21, 2007 7:40 PM, Eddie Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eddie Armstrong wrote: > > Maybe the Government should be subsidising al the oldies who are > > changing the software of Britain's retir

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Eddie Armstrong wrote: > Maybe the Government should be subsidising al the oldies who are > changing the software of Britain's retirees You know you're getting old when you start replying to yourself! It would be a good idea to have a charity whose remit was to help retired and others with soft

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Eddie Armstrong
alan c wrote: > Alan really interesting post! I'm not Ubuntu savvy enough to helpmuch but I am learning The 80 year old neighbour of mine that I help uses XP (and would never switch); he gave me enough of an earful when his Outlook crashed and Windows told us to re-install Windows - I said

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Kirrus
- "alan c" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kirrus wrote: > > 70+ was because I know very few people older than 70 who will go > near a computer, and that is past normal retirement age (~65) > > LOL you should get out more! :-) > > (see another post from me?) 'Getting out more' is a little har

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Kirrus
- "alan c" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kirrus wrote: > > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Michael Holloway wrote: > >> > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: > >> >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, > >> technologically > >> >> decrepit listees! (BTW

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread alan c
Kirrus wrote: > 70+ was because I know very few people older than 70 who will go near a > computer, and that is past normal retirement age (~65) LOL you should get out more! :-) (see another post from me?) -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.co

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread alan c
Kirrus wrote: > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael Holloway wrote: >> > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: >> >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, >> technologically >> >> decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list >> >> >> act

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread alan c
Mark Allison wrote: [...] > What do you think? Have many of you managed to get older, non-techie people > to switch happily? Smirk (note1). I think the -motivation- to do something new on the computer is the primary issue, with -opportunity- being important too. Some people may not be motivated.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Mark Allison
Great responses! Thanks everyone. I think it comes down to some people view their computer as a tool, and some people as a hobby. My Dad is certainly in the former and doesn't care what OS he is using as long as it does the stuff he wants. I'm sure that Ubuntu would do the stuff he wants, albeit in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Robin Menneer
On 21/12/2007, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > 70+ was because I know very few people older than 70 who will go near > a computer, and that is past normal retirement age (~65) > > > > > > > > I help a neighbour who is 80 - and there will be more of them soon :-) > > > > For the other ca

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread norman
> > 70+ was because I know very few people older than 70 who will go near a > > computer, and that is past normal retirement age (~65) > > > > > I help a neighbour who is 80 - and there will be more of them soon :-) > > For the other categories 20 years is an enormous jump in age but I > ac

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread John Levin
Kirrus wrote: > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael Holloway wrote: >>> On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, >> technologically decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list actually is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Kirrus wrote: > 70+ was because I know very few people older than 70 who will go near a > computer, and that is past normal retirement age (~65) > > I help a neighbour who is 80 - and there will be more of them soon :-) For the other categories 20 years is an enormous jump in age but I accep

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Kirrus
- "Eddie Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kirrus wrote: > > Poll started today, will close on January 31st, so get your votes in > now! > > I'll post the results here. > > > > > I think the categories are a bit broad - why not have 10 year gaps > except the first gap?? You must be u

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Kirrus wrote: > Poll started today, will close on January 31st, so get your votes in now! > I'll post the results here. > > I think the categories are a bit broad - why not have 10 year gaps except the first gap?? You must be under 30 if you don't realise how big the gaps 31-50 and 51-70 are.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Mac
Kirrus wrote: > - "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Michael Holloway wrote: >> > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: >> >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, >> technologically >> >> decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list >> >> >> act

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Skippy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Flynn wrote: > On Dec 21, 2007 11:37 AM, Daniel Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You can downgrade from vista to xp home legally, > > How? Ma would be delighted to do this - can you point me to any info > on it (specifically pricing)... > I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Kirrus
- "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Holloway wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: > >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, > technologically > >> decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list > > >> actually is???) > > > >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Mac
Michael Holloway wrote: > On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: >> Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, technologically >> decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list >> actually is???) > > We should set up a poll on launchpad or whatever to find o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Steve Flynn
On Dec 21, 2007 11:37 AM, Daniel Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You can downgrade from vista to xp home legally, How? Ma would be delighted to do this - can you point me to any info on it (specifically pricing)... -- Steve When one person suffers from a delusion it is insanity. When many p

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel Lamb
You can downgrade from vista to xp home legally, Regards, Daniel On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 11:29 +, Rob Beard wrote: > > My Dad bought a new PC last week, and me being the family geek, was -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.or

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Michael Holloway
On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 12:01 +, Mac wrote: > Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, technologically > decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the average age of the list > actually is???) > > ;-) > > Mac > We should set up a poll on launchpad or whatever to find out :) --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Mac
Eddie Armstrong wrote: > Mark Allison wrote: >> Have many of you managed to get older, non-techie people to switch >> happily? >> > many of us *are* " older, non-techie people" :-) Yeah, Eddie! Let's hear it for us seriously ancient, technologically decrepit listees! (BTW, I wonder what the a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel Davies
Mark Allison wrote: > Hi there > > My Dad bought a new PC last week, and me being the family geek, was > asked to set it up for him. He has been using XP for the last five > years or so and is reasonably happy with it, when it works. > > When I arrived to configure his new machine and move all hi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Stephen Garton
On 21/12/2007, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob Beard wrote: [snip] > > Forgot to add, because she has broadband I can connect in remotely via > SSH/VNC to fix things although as she lives so close to my parents I > generally pop over to fix things (touch wood, nothing has gone wrong yet)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Rob Beard
Rob Beard wrote: > Hmm, I can see your point in installing XP Pro, not sure if Microsoft > will see the point unless it's a legal copy. It's a shame that > Microsoft don't allow downgrades from Vista Home to XP Home. > > Anyway, yes I have managed to get an older non techie person onto > Ubunt

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Rob Beard
Mark Allison wrote: > Hi there > > My Dad bought a new PC last week, and me being the family geek, was > asked to set it up for him. He has been using XP for the last five years > or so and is reasonably happy with it, when it works. > > When I arrived to configure his new machine and move all

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Kris Marsh
On Dec 21, 2007 10:34 AM, Mark Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there > > My Dad bought a new PC last week, and me being the family geek, was asked to > set it up for him. He has been using XP for the last five years or so and is > reasonably happy with it, when it works. > > When I arrived

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Tony Arnold
Mark, Mark Allison wrote: > What do you think? Have many of you managed to get older, non-techie > people to switch happily? I gave my mother a computer about a year ago and put Ubuntu on it. I had the advantage that she had never really used a computer before but she was keen to use the WEB and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Stephen Garton
On 21/12/2007, Mark Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there [snip] > All OSs all have their strengths and weaknesses, but for some > people it's just not worth the effort to switch to something unfamiliar. > > What do you think? Have many of you managed to get older, non-techie people > to sw

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Daniel Lamb
My Parents switched, and they are 50, wasnt all to hard, said it was better and explained why, then they moved. Had alot less problems and questions. Set it up alot like the mac(with the most used icons on the bottom bar, will be pushing it over 2008 to anyone i come in contact with who does not us

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Eddie Armstrong
Mark Allison wrote: > Have many of you managed to get older, non-techie people to switch > happily? > many of us *are* " older, non-techie people" :-) Eddie -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Kirrus
Quick answer: Yes. I've seen a 60-year-old move to ubuntu, with LESS problems than he had with Windows XP. He spent about a week learning the interface, and asking lots of questions. Then suddenly the questions stop, and he's a happy bunny. We've put a "Internet" shortcut on his desktop (he had

[ubuntu-uk] Why some people will never switch

2007-12-21 Thread Mark Allison
Hi there My Dad bought a new PC last week, and me being the family geek, was asked to set it up for him. He has been using XP for the last five years or so and is reasonably happy with it, when it works. When I arrived to configure his new machine and move all his email, documents over it turned