Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-08 Thread Neil Greenwood
2008/8/8 Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Neil Greenwood wrote: >> You can always "Subscribe" to a bug, then Launchpad will send you an >> email when the bug is updated. That way, you can see what is happening >> to it and don't need the trial-and-error approach to seeing if it's >> fixed. > > Thanks ver

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-08 Thread Mac
Neil Greenwood wrote: > 2008/8/6 Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> If it >> does get fixed, how might we know when it has been? (Apart from trying >> an upgrade and holding our breath?!?) > You can always "Subscribe" to a bug, then Launchpad will send you an > email when the bug is updated. That way,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-08 Thread Dark Otter
Well I've managed to at least confirm a couple of bugs for now (by reproducing them), and I'm having a look to see all the normal kind of information required etc. to have a go at a full triaging. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com ht

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-08 Thread Neil Greenwood
2008/8/7 norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Have you considered joining the bug squad? >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad You sound like you may have found your >> itch. You shouldn't need much more than a little technical knowledge and >> only need to donate what time you wish to donate, but maybe by

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-08 Thread Neil Greenwood
2008/8/6 Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If it > does get fixed, how might we know when it has been? (Apart from trying > an upgrade and holding our breath?!?) Hi Mac, You can always "Subscribe" to a bug, then Launchpad will send you an email when the bug is updated. That way, you can see what is ha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread David Futcher
2008/8/7 Dark Otter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Slightly off topic, but what kind of coding knowledge would someone need > to be a worthwhile participant in the bug team? I'm planning to try > learning several languages in the future (I only know some basic C# and > python at the moment), and so I'm won

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread Dark Otter
Slightly off topic, but what kind of coding knowledge would someone need to be a worthwhile participant in the bug team? I'm planning to try learning several languages in the future (I only know some basic C# and python at the moment), and so I'm wondering what to concentrate on to be able to contr

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread Kris Douglas
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Have you considered joining the bug squad? >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad You sound like you may have found your >> itch. You shouldn't need much more than a little technical knowledge and >> only need to donate what time y

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread norman
> Have you considered joining the bug squad? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad You sound like you may have found your > itch. You shouldn't need much more than a little technical knowledge and > only need to donate what time you wish to donate, but maybe by joining > this group you may start to g

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread Matthew Daubney
Norman, Have you considered joining the bug squad? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad You sound like you may have found your itch. You shouldn't need much more than a little technical knowledge and only need to donate what time you wish to donate, but maybe by joining this group you may start to get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread James Westby
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:08 +0100, norman wrote: > Yes it is and no, I can find no bug report but then, is it really a bug? Yeah, it's a bug somewhere in all likely hood. I'm not exactly sure where, but filing it against italc would be a good start. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ita

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread norman
> I'm sorry to see you seem to be hitting many problems. > > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 12:32 +0100, norman wrote: > > The point I am making is that the software causing the problem was > > installed by default, causing a problem which had been well documented > > but that nothing appears to have bee

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread norman
< snip > > > Norman >>> I really sympathise with you about this, and I have had > similar irritations and exasperations (mostly with wifi and printers). > I guess, after a while, I've tended to think, "Well, the person who > writes and maintains this software is probably doing it for free, in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread James Westby
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 13:49 +0100, Mac wrote: > That's a good deal more useful than my reply to Norman -- for which, in > retrospect, I feel I should apologise: he could do without getting a > philosophical reflection when what he needs is help. I did agree with what you said. I was also intere

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread Mac
James Westby wrote: > I'm sorry to see you seem to be hitting many problems. > Is > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=749394 > the problem to which you refer? That's a good deal more useful than my reply to Norman -- for which, in retrospect, I feel I should apologise: he could do wit

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread Mac
norman wrote: > Here we go again... I will not bore you with the many difficulties I have > encountered, please just accept that, because I like the ideas behind > Ubuntu, I am prepared to try to find ways around them. If I depended on > the use of the computer for my living I probably would not be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread James Westby
Hello again Norman, I'm sorry to see you seem to be hitting many problems. On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 12:32 +0100, norman wrote: > The point I am making is that the software causing the problem was > installed by default, causing a problem which had been well documented > but that nothing appears to h

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-07 Thread norman
Here we go again. During the final testing to make sure that Edubuntu was working correctly before handing the machine to my granddaughter, when a new problem occurred. All worked well, as administrator, but when I logged out and then tried to log in as my granddaughter an error message appeared te

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread norman
< snip > > BTW, has anyone else here hit this problem with the upgrade from Gutsy > (but 2.6.22-15 rather than 2.6.22-14) hanging at nearly the end of the > process while setting locales? I raised the question on the ubuntu-users list and the answer is yes, several people have reported the prob

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread norman
> Mac wrote: > > BTW, has anyone else here hit this problem with the upgrade from Gutsy > > (but 2.6.22-15 rather than 2.6.22-14) hanging at nearly the end of the > > process while setting locales? > > > I wouldn't know - I have upgraded from Feisty->Gutsy->Hardy ... I had > problems after Har

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread James Westby
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 17:20 +0100, Andrew Oakley wrote: > In my experience, once a bug has been tagged as "incomplete", > basically the package maintainer is washing his hands of it and won't > even provide the bug reporters with a list of what extra information > is required to complete/confirm th

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Andrew Oakley
On 06/08/2008, David Futcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/249340 > I saw the bug , but noticed it has been set to "Incomplete" which normally > means developers wont touch it with a barge pole Correct, and a huge problem with Ubuntu.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Matthew Wild
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, has anyone else here hit this problem with the upgrade from Gutsy > (but 2.6.22-15 rather than 2.6.22-14) hanging at nearly the end of the > process while setting locales? > I always do a fresh reinstall. However on my Dad's lap

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Lucy
On 06/08/2008, Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, has anyone else here hit this problem with the upgrade from Gutsy > (but 2.6.22-15 rather than 2.6.22-14) hanging at nearly the end of the > process while setting locales? I hit the problem recently while upgrading my Dad's computer, which ha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Stephen O'Neill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mac wrote: > BTW, has anyone else here hit this problem with the upgrade from Gutsy > (but 2.6.22-15 rather than 2.6.22-14) hanging at nearly the end of the > process while setting locales? I wouldn't know - I have upgraded from Feisty->Gutsy->Hard

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Mac
David Futcher wrote: > I saw the bug , but noticed it has been set to "Incomplete"... What I > didnt notice is that the last commenter (and the person who set it to > Incomplete) is Martin Pitt, the packages maintainer, so we dont need > to go and annoy him on IRC :) > > Unfortunately it looks li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread David Futcher
2008/8/6 Mac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > David Futcher wrote: > > It would probably be a good idea to bring this to the attention of the > core > > developers, who are in charge of packages like this. > > David >>> Norman mentioned the bug report at > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Mac
David Futcher wrote: > It would probably be a good idea to bring this to the attention of the core > developers, who are in charge of packages like this. David >>> Norman mentioned the bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/langpack-locales/+bug/249340 which seems to have been

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Michael Holloway
Norman, while I agree with you to some extent. 1: Have you tried running the XP -> Vista upgrade? VERRY Messy - resulted in a re-format for me. 2: 4 Years! Something must be keeping you with us :) There are a lot of issues with Windows & Mac & Ubuntu and various other distros. Some of them reall

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread James Edward Grabham
Not to mention the £60 odd licence in the first place, and the fact XPs support WILL end, meaning to get support, you'd have Vista, which, assuming it's not a new PC, you'd need another £200 odd for a new PC!!! (Plus yet another £60 odd for the Vista license) On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 01:12:41PM

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread David Futcher
2008/8/6 norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > OK, I have sounded off but this sort of thing should not be allowed to > happen and I would be grateful if someone, who knows their way around > the Canonical set up, could bring this to the attention of someone who > cares about the future of Ubuntu. > > Norm

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread Javad Ayaz
i think i would sacrifice 2 and halfs for 6 months of no virus scanning and pop ups!!! On 06/08/2008, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have used Ubuntu for almost 4 years and, from to time, there have been > discussions on how to encourage the wider use of the package. The common > recurrin

[ubuntu-uk] Norm's complaint

2008-08-06 Thread norman
I have used Ubuntu for almost 4 years and, from to time, there have been discussions on how to encourage the wider use of the package. The common recurring theme refers to ease of use and reliability and, after all this time, there are still most annoying defects rearing their ugly heads. Yesterda