On 10/02/2009 12:39, Lucy wrote:
> It's saying 'primary operating system' not only operating system.
> Also, there's more than one FOSS OS (and even more UIs).
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> By getting FOSS into schools you are getting rid of the current
> monopoly, you are telling the kids that it's okay to learn about the
Hey Guys,
I have been running with this conversation and what a topic it has become.
unless I am mistaken this is a scenerio if it is not broke dont fix it.
As much as I am an avid Linux fan I do believe that the both technologies
can co-exist.
Microsoft has had the added advantage of being at t
2009/2/10 Sean Miller :
> And that's why I think this petition is flawed, because it won't
> succeed whilst it's worded as it is. This thread has the wrong
> name... it's not a case of getting Windows out of schools, it's a case
> of getting a mixture of computer architectures into schools and
> e
On 10/02/2009 00:18, David King wrote:
> I signed the petition as well.
>
> I am thinking that the schools'/education system's thinking is a bit out
> of date. Why teach the children just one OS when there are many choices
> now in the real world? Not all companies use the same OS. Some use
> Windo
sounds a good plan, I can drop em an e-mail and ask nd see if they publish
it, if others do the same then perhaps they can indicate some level of
interest in the south west.
Paul
> I think you'd have more luck with MicroMart as they seem to target the
> demographic who go to computer fairs (at l
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:18 AM, David King wrote:
> It is far better to teach the children the fundamentals of computing,
> and how to use any computer system regardless of which interface is
> used, so that in the future, when it is all different, they will still
> be able to use a computer.
I
On 09/02/2009 19:53, Paul Sutton wrote:
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>> I just wish there were computer fairs down here in Devon, there used to
>> be one a few years back but nothing like that now, the nearest thing is
>> a car boot sale. I wonder actually if we'd be
I signed the petition as well.
I am thinking that the schools'/education system's thinking is a bit out
of date. Why teach the children just one OS when there are many choices
now in the real world? Not all companies use the same OS. Some use
Windows XP, some use Windows Vista, and on servers t
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> I just wish there were computer fairs down here in Devon, there used to
> be one a few years back but nothing like that now, the nearest thing is
> a car boot sale. I wonder actually if we'd be able to give away Ubuntu
> CDs at car boot sales wi
alan c wrote:
> Marketing!
> Marketing is the key skill with a company such as MS. It is also the
> weakest point with FOSS.
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Yep, I think part of the problem is the fact that as individuals we
probably don't have much money to put into marketing. In my area I've
been giving out Ubuntu CD
2009/2/8 Vinothan Shankar :
> I've created a petition to the Prime Minister to make the primary OS in
> schools free and open source - it can be found at
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools. To anyone that points
> out I should have suggested Ubuntu for Education, the first submission
Imho, a great place to advertise would be the morning star newspaper:
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk
Its socialist/communist, so it would be good targeted advertising
(since socialism/communism=no to capitalism eg big companies like
Microsoft)
The circulations not bad at about 50,000 copies sol
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> You could probably go with having MS on the admin network, then Linux or
> fre softare on the academic network,
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> eventually people will filter through who can and want to use
> alternatives, then chance will come
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ford.
Rik Boland
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We need Justice but we also need Grace and Mercy from God to do this.
--- On Mon, 9/2/09, alan c wrote:
From: alan c
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
To: "British Ubuntu Talk"
Date: Mond
Harry Rickards wrote:
> Someone I know who goes to a CLAIT course was told that an Operating System
> meant Windows, no mention of Linux or Mac OSX, and that an application was
> simply either an MS Office App or IE, again do mention of OpenOffice or
> Firefox. Maybe the instructors don't even know
Justice but we also need Grace and Mercy from God to do this.
--- On Mon, 9/2/09, Andrew Oakley wrote:
From: Andrew Oakley
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Help get Windows out of schools
To: "British Ubuntu Talk"
Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 6:06 PM
LeeGroups wrote:
> Andrew Oakley wr
LeeGroups wrote:
> Andrew Oakley wrote:
[MS home/academic/student licences at up to 90% discount]
> > If you try to argue against Microsoft on grounds of price,
> > you'll fail every time. Home users, schools, universities
> > and students don't pay full rate for software. Only
...
> I understand
Someone I know who goes to a CLAIT course was told that an Operating System
meant Windows, no mention of Linux or Mac OSX, and that an application was
simply either an MS Office App or IE, again do mention of OpenOffice or
Firefox. Maybe the instructors don't even know alternatives to MS software
e
>> There used to be a saying in the computer industry which was "Nobody
>> ever got fired for buying IBM".
>> I think it's shifted to Microsoft. Speaking from experience,
>> most school "IT department heads" don't know that much about IT.
>> They perceive it as a 'safe' option to go with MS, eve
LeeGroups wrote:
>> Aparently primnary schools are forced to use MS office so the children
>> are ready for what is used in Secondary schools which is I guess a fair
>> argument i guess. And i guess secondaries feel obliged to use MS office
>> as they see it as "industry standard."
> There used to
Philip Stubbs wrote:
> I don't think I will sign. Simply, I don't think that schools should
> teach how to use MS Office or OpenOffice. What they should teach is
> how to use a spreadsheet and a word processor. A selection should then
> be made available and the students allowed to get a feel for d
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:20:27 +, Rob Beard wrote:
> Harry Rickards wrote:
>> Even if school's don't solely use Windows, they usually have to use it
as
>> the main OS, as the AQA exam software only works with Windows, not under
>> Wine; and the SIMS software uses MS Word to view files, which can
Harry Rickards wrote:
> Even if school's don't solely use Windows, they usually have to use it as
> the main OS, as the AQA exam software only works with Windows, not under
> Wine; and the SIMS software uses MS Word to view files, which cannot be
> changed to OpenOffice even on Windows as it's hard
I haven't tried it myself, but according to
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sf-uk-mias/browse_thread/thread/9944ecbcb49896cf?hl=en&q=sims#b482426374ef3534,
http://www.edugeek.net/forums/office-software/29498-open-office-v-ms-office.html,
http://www.edugeek.net/forums/mis-systems/4504-sims-net-does
LeeGroups wrote
> There used to be a saying in the computer industry which was "Nobody
> ever got fired for buying IBM".
> I think it's shifted to Microsoft. Speaking from experience,
> most school "IT department heads" don't know that much about IT.
> They perceive it as a 'safe' option to go wi
Your cause is honorable however for Linux to turn the trend. you must first
prove to those schools that Linux is better and that it can do things far
better than windows. In the Linux community there has to be a leap in ideas
where when the user logs on he/she is presented, ready to use icons on th
2009/2/8 Vinothan Shankar :
> I've created a petition to the Prime Minister to make the primary OS in
> schools free and open source - it can be found at
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools. To anyone that points
> out I should have suggested Ubuntu for Education, the first submission
2009/2/9 LeeGroups :
> Without wishing to sound like a know-it-all, if the SIMS software uses
> an XML file to control what's used to view files (as per your mail
> below), then XML files can easily be altered... they are straight ASCII
> files which can be edited with Notepad...
Its OK, you are a
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You could probably go with having MS on the admin network, then Linux or
fre softare on the academic network,
eventually people will filter through who can and want to use
alternatives, then chance will come
problem is MS seem to have a huge marketin
That's true, but aren't they both adminstrative functions?
How many PC's are there in an average school vs. the average number of
adminstrative PC's?
Lee
Without wishing to sound like a know-it-all, if the SIMS software uses
an XML file to control what's used to view files (as per your mail
b
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Good point, so perhaps we should lobby the AQA to use open standards.
Paul
Harry Rickards wrote:
> Even if school's don't solely use Windows, they usually have to use it as
> the main OS, as the AQA exam software only works with Windows, not under
Even if school's don't solely use Windows, they usually have to use it as
the main OS, as the AQA exam software only works with Windows, not under
Wine; and the SIMS software uses MS Word to view files, which cannot be
changed to OpenOffice even on Windows as it's hardcoded into the XML file.
On M
> Aparently primnary schools are forced to use MS office so the children
> are ready for what is used in Secondary schools which is I guess a fair
> argument i guess. And i guess secondaries feel obliged to use MS office
> as they see it as "industry standard."
There used to be a saying in the co
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Aparently primnary schools are forced to use MS office so the children
are ready for what is used in Secondary schools which is I guess a fair
argument i guess. And i guess secondaries feel obliged to use MS office
as they see it as "industry standard
Signed -- cheers for setting that up. Doug.
2009/2/9 David King
> The other way to get windows out of schools is to remove the glass and
> replace with bricks :-)
>
> David King
>
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> Vinothan Shankar wrote:
> > I've created a petition to the Prime Minister to make the primary OS in
> > school
The other way to get windows out of schools is to remove the glass and
replace with bricks :-)
David King
Vinothan Shankar wrote:
> I've created a petition to the Prime Minister to make the primary OS in
> schools free and open source - it can be found at
> http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/non
I've created a petition to the Prime Minister to make the primary OS in
schools free and open source - it can be found at
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/nonMSschools. To anyone that points
out I should have suggested Ubuntu for Education, the first submission
did, but was rejected on the grounds
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