Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2007-01-11 Thread Dave Ewart
Relating to the EDM179 subject: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/11/1613207 - I've put a comment (as 'daveewart') into the article. Dave. -- Dave Ewart - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - freenode: davee All email from me is now digitally signed, key from http://www.sung

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2007-01-07 Thread Dave Ewart
Sent a follow-up to my MP, Evan Harris, today. This is in reply to a letter from him asking for more info: This is what I wrote: http://www.sungate.co.uk/?p=273 Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Ewart - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - freenode: davee All email from me is now digitally sig

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2007-01-02 Thread James Tait
Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > I wouldn't be overly suprised that you're getting some kind of canned > response to your initial contact. Without doubt. Several members have had the same response now. > Take this "standard reply" as an invitation to take the conversation > further. Reiterate any p

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2007-01-01 Thread Martin Fitzpatrick
On 22/12/06, James Tait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are also parts in there that > > I recognise from somewhere (e.g. "measured inclusion rather than blanket > Sorry to respond to my own post, but I just realised why it all seems so > familiar -- it's almost word-for-word what's in the of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179 - Schools - FLOSS

2006-12-31 Thread alan c
Jonathan Lees wrote: > > > I see on the wiki page that the education project is getting started, > would it be possible to get another ubuntu mailing list going that can > be dedicated to education? I know of == http://www.edubuntu.org/Community edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com E

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-31 Thread alan c
Toby Smithe wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 12:16 +, James Tait wrote: [...] > I find it astonishing that people are more prepared to support software > which they cannot see the code. We are deeply immersed in a society of Marketing an dretail advertising, with a known larg edash of hype.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-29 Thread Jonathan Lees
l work on the IT teachers. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of James Tait Sent: Fri 12/29/2006 12:16 PM To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179 Hi All, There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away over the Xmas

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-29 Thread Toby Smithe
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 12:16 +, James Tait wrote: > Hi All, > > There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away > over the Xmas period, and since I've been so vocal on the subject in the > past (I'm like a dog with a bone!) I'd like to offer my tuppence worth > on the sub

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-29 Thread James Tait
Hi All, There's been quite a lot of discussion about this while I've been away over the Xmas period, and since I've been so vocal on the subject in the past (I'm like a dog with a bone!) I'd like to offer my tuppence worth on the subject. Beginning with the article from Computer Active, I agree t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-26 Thread Toby Smithe
On Tue, 2006-12-26 at 20:01 +, Dave Ewart wrote: > On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 23:16 -, Jonathan Lees wrote: > > > The problem will never be resolved if non teachers can't see it from > > the teachers point of view, managing a class of 31 students all with > > different abilities working at d

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-26 Thread Dave Ewart
On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 23:16 -, Jonathan Lees wrote: > The problem will never be resolved if non teachers can't see it from > the teachers point of view, managing a class of 31 students all with > different abilities working at different paces and keeping to > government guidelines as to wha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-26 Thread Robin Shepheard
Hello All Just my opinion On 24/12/06, Jonathan Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem will never be resolved if non teachers can't see it from the teachers point of view, managing a class of 31 students all with different abilities working at different paces and keeping to government gui

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread Jonathan Lees
f of Dave Ewart Sent: Sun 12/24/2006 10:08 PM To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179 On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 20:34 +, Phil Bull wrote: > > This is the problem. > > > > The kids are *not* being *taught* about word processors, > > spreadsheets or data

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread Dave Ewart
On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 20:34 +, Phil Bull wrote: > > This is the problem. > > > > The kids are *not* being *taught* about word processors, > > spreadsheets or databases. They are being *trained* to use MS Word, > > MS Excel, MS Access etc. > > > > That's a very different thing, in my opin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread Toby Smithe
On Sun, 2006-12-24 at 20:08 +, SteVe Cook wrote: > What people forget is that the teachers are taught MS Win , so that's > what they teach! Well, we can all see that somewhere along the line, the system went horribly wrong. We can all see the problems; but we never outline any solutions. Thi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread Phil Bull
Hi guys, On Sun, 2006-12-24 at 19:44 +, Dave Ewart wrote: > On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 09:37 -, Jonathan Lees wrote: > > OO is offered as an alternative to MS Office, it sees about 2% usage > > from students that have it at home. Our IT teachers will not touch it > > as it involves rewriting

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread SteVe Cook
Dave Ewart wrote: > On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 09:37 -, Jonathan Lees wrote: > >> OO is offered as an alternative to MS Office, it sees about 2% usage >> from students that have it at home. Our IT teachers will not touch it >> as it involves rewriting worksheets for students which have all been

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread Dave Ewart
On Sunday, 24.12.2006 at 09:37 -, Jonathan Lees wrote: > OO is offered as an alternative to MS Office, it sees about 2% usage > from students that have it at home. Our IT teachers will not touch it > as it involves rewriting worksheets for students which have all been > based on MS Office. How

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-24 Thread Jonathan Lees
Merry xmas to all Jonathan Lees -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Toby Smithe Sent: Sat 12/23/2006 10:36 PM To: British Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179 On Sat, 2006-12-23 at 22:20 +, Ashley Hooper wrote: > Found this on LinuxToday, today

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-23 Thread Toby Smithe
On Sat, 2006-12-23 at 22:20 +, Ashley Hooper wrote: > Found this on LinuxToday, today: > > http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/news/2171542/education-driving-force-behind > > The article starts off sounding very positive but the conclusion leaves a bit > of room for doubt. I don't

[ubuntu-uk] EDM179

2006-12-23 Thread Ashley Hooper
Found this on LinuxToday, today: http://www.computeractive.co.uk/computeractive/news/2171542/education-driving-force-behind The article starts off sounding very positive but the conclusion leaves a bit of room for doubt. Ash -- "We do not inherit the earthhttp://backtobreath.co

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread Toby Smithe
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 20:17 +, Ashley Hooper wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:47:32 + > From: Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Even worse: it's exactly the same response I got from Jim Knight, which > > you can read at > > http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/20/free-softwa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread Ashley Hooper
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:47:32 + From: Toby Smithe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Even worse: it's exactly the same response I got from Jim Knight, which > you can read at > http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/20/free-software-in-schools/ I strongly suspect that BECTA has been pre-emptively

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread David Restall - System Administrator
Hi, > Even worse: it's exactly the same response I got from Jim Knight, which > you can read at > http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/20/free-software-in-schools/ > > That's terrible! It may be terrible but is it surprising. They bleat on about voter apathy and low election turnout wh

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread Toby Smithe
Even worse: it's exactly the same response I got from Jim Knight, which you can read at http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/2006/12/20/free-software-in-schools/ That's terrible! On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 13:39 +, James Tait wrote: > Me again, > > > I think I need to read through it a few more

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread James Tait
Dave Ewart wrote: > On Friday, 22.12.2006 at 13:39 +, James Tait wrote: >> Essentially it's a fob-off. > > Cheeky bugger, isn't he? OK, I get that this is hardly news, I mean he had to toe the line and politicians hide behind policy to avoid giving a straight answer to a question all the time

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread Dave Ewart
On Friday, 22.12.2006 at 13:39 +, James Tait wrote: > Me again, > > > I think I need to read through it a few more times and annotate it to > > There are also parts in there that > > I recognise from somewhere (e.g. "measured inclusion rather than blanket > > exclusion"), so maybe the respons

Re: [ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread James Tait
Me again, > I think I need to read through it a few more times and annotate it to > There are also parts in there that > I recognise from somewhere (e.g. "measured inclusion rather than blanket > exclusion"), so maybe the response is just a re-iteration of official > policy. Sorry to respond to m

[ubuntu-uk] EDM179: Response From Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills

2006-12-22 Thread James Tait
Hi all, I posted before to say that my MP, Margaret Beckett, wasn't able to sign the EDM due to her position as a Cabinet Minister but would pass my letter on to Alan Johnson, Secretary of State for Education and Skills. Well on Tuesday I got a response from Mr Johnson, via Mrs Beckett, as below.